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Hillary Clinton suffered the worst 24 hours of her presidential campaign yesterday after a prime-time debate in which she was accused of giving dishonest answers.
Mrs Clinton came under such relentless attack from her Democratic rivals that her aides blamed the debate moderator for allowing them to gang up on her, a response that undercut the image of strength and invincibility that she has so carefully cultivated.
Mrs Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner, was the target of almost constant attack by her main rivals, who know that time is running out to halt her march to the nomination. For the first time they said outright that she was unelectable.
Her worst moment came just before the end of the two-hour debate, when she equivocated over whether she supported a plan in New York to give illegal immigrants driving licences. The response allowed rivals to paint her as evasive and dishonest, claims that have powerful resonance after the scandals of her husband’s presidency.
John Edwards, lagging third in national polls, capped an overtly aggressive evening when he said of her refusal to say whether she was for or against the driving licence plan: “Unless I missed something, Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes, and I think this is a real issue for the country.” At another point, Mr Edwards said that Americans deserved a president who would tell them the truth.
Barack Obama, her leading rival, had said in a weekend interview that he was going to change tactics and challenge Mrs Clinton aggressively. Although he criticised her frequently he was often overshadowed by Mr Edwards, leaving a growing number of his supporters believing that he lacks the ruthlessness required to win.
Mrs Clinton stuck to her strategy of ignoring rivals and attacking Mr Bush, whom she mentioned 25 times. She denied claims that her hawkish stance on Iran was helping the President to prepare for a military strike. She said that Republican obsession with her was proof that she had stood against President Bush and his “failed policies”. Mr Obama and Mr Edwards said that the Republican presidential candidates invoke her so often because she is the candidate they want to run against. Chris Dodd, a long-shot Democratic candidate, was more blunt. “There are 50 per cent of the American public that say they’re not going to vote for her.”
Aides to Mrs Clinton’s rivals claimed yesterday that Tuesday night’s debate revealed the first significant cracks in her campaign, and proved that she was far from invincible only two months before the first votes were cast in Iowa. They said that they would use the issue of evasiveness and unelectibility as the main lines of attack in coming weeks and believe they are true vulnerabilities.
Mrs Clinton’s occasionally wobbly performance generated such excitement inside the rival campaigns only because it reflects how starved they have been of any mistakes by her to exploit. She has run the best campaign and is still the frontrunner with the best political machine in America.
This was the Democrats’ seventh debate. Political pundits analyse every thrust and parry but it is unclear how closely they are watched by voters. Although Mrs Clinton leads her nearest rival, Mr Obama, by at least 24 points, they are tied in Iowa, which votes on January 3. A victory by Mr Obama there, or by Mr Edwards, could alter the dynamic of the race.
Running total
Democrat voting intentions:
Clinton 45.7%
Obama 21.7%
Edwards 12.9%
Source: RealClearPolitics.com, polling average
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My view is that the candidates should listen to themselves when they answer and not take after another candidate. When Hillary made her statement about the drivers license for illegal aliens, I think she made a good answer and that was no answer. I think it is good for someone to think about an answer and be able to change the thinking instead of making a flat allout answer and then having to retract it. I wish more of the candidates would think before they answer. No one can be excellent in everything, that is why we are people who can think. Think before you talk.
Ronald Fiskum, Clarksville, MD
Should Hillary win and become President what intrigues me is that Bill should be known as 'The First Gentleman of the Whitehouse' Gentleman being the male equivalent of the title Lady
sue, Jersey,
She frightens me. We had a small taste of her "leadership" when she was assigned the task of formulating a plan for a national healthcare program...a task which she totally bombed. If this woman wants to "run something" as she has been quoted, let her open a business. Ego and kudos are no basis for seeking the highest office in our nation.
Laurel, Kokomo, IB
She reminds me of Tony Blair - all showmanship and no substance. It is very sad that this particular ability seems to be the most important in so many fields, especialy politics.
tony, birmingham, uk
S en. Clinton's "evasiveness" on the question of allowing illegals to have driver's licenses refects her ability to see the problem of the victims of their driving without insurance. Two drunken illegals drove their car into my living room several years ago at 2 AM. They had just bought the car that day, had no licences, no insurance, and the cop who came out didn't even give them a ticket. He said, "Well, nobody actually saw them drive into your house". He could easily see that someone had and they were still sitting in it when I came into the room. Naturally, my homeowners insurance paid for the damage. Sen. Clinton showed her concern for both sides of this argument. It needs a lot of careful debate.
Dori, Fallbrook, CA
I would really like to see what would happen if there was a voting option for Hugo Chavez to be elected. People in the U.S. are fed up with all the rhetoric from THE PARTY. (don't even try to tell me there are two major parties, they're one and the same. Both inept).
Kremp, Jacksonville, Florida/USA
So that was "the worst 24 hours of her presidential campaign?"
She must be pretty happy.
Tim, NYC, NY
Clinton for president, are you serious? She will be a disaster for the USA. She's clueless. She has done nothing for New York state so God help the other 49 states, if she knows where they are.
Alastair, Red Lodge, Montana
Those of us who lived through the recession during Carter years are scared to death of Hillary as president. I was a teenager at the time but I remember long gas lines, only able to get gas on certain days of the week, having to set thermostat at 65', long unemployment lines. Iran held Americans as hostages for years. No jobs to be found anywhere. Carter's taxes on businesses caused a ripple effect down to the little people. We all suffered. Basically our morale as a country was at an all time low.
We have been so fortunate the last 15 years with low interest rates, low unemployment, and growth of industry. I think the people who are supporting Hillary are too young to remember the Carter year, but if they get Hillary as president they too will have memories of living through a recession.
jenne mccarthy, myrtle beach, south carolina
This might be a random remark in this political debate, but in education it is a noted fact that women take more time to respond before men. Women have been groomed to speak second and not first. This fact has not changed within Clinton's life span. Granted, this is obviously not an excuse or waiver of her inability to think on her feet quicker than her fellow campaigners, but I do feel it is warrented to mention. I see a lot of men commenting, but not a lot of women. I think it might be nice to have a women in charge who is use to thinking before speaking; I am not saying that Clinton is the best women for the presidency, but if not her than who? And when?
Julie, Boston,
Obama is not a muslim!!! How many times does he have to say this? He attends a church of Christ church. If you are still believing this rumor, you are not paying enough attention to vote intelligently.
bouwens, ADA, usa
Is it time for a woman President in the U.S.? Perhaps the U.S. could use a Margaret Thatcher or a Golda Meir, but Hillary Clinton is neither. Her much-derided "hawkish stance on Iran" is the ONLY thing that most Americas would agree with. The rest of her agenda - Socialised medicine, redistributing wealth via confiscatory tax rates to fund welfare handouts, and promotion of a leftist cultural agenda, won't go down the gullet as easily. Rejecting her Socialist agenda isn't sexism, but her well-funded spin machine is doing a great job of framing all criticism of her in that light. There's a reason that nearly half of Americans despise Hillary, and it has nothing to do with her gender...
Marco, Miami, FL USA
Realy,it's quite unfair to accuse Hilary of dishonesty.
One must remember how shook up she was up by that Whitewater a while ago.
robert everitt, wolverhampton,
So what if Barack Obama is muslim? How would that affact anything?
sophy, birmingham, west mids - uk
america has the oppotunity to elect another great president ,the jackles snapping at her feet know they are lost,good luck hillary , we had maggie and look what it did for us in the uk!,
keith dobbie,york
keith dobbie, york, uk
i will still be voting for hillary i really think she has done a fantastic job here in new york
ken johnson, rochester, ny
I agree Edwards is one "neat" guy. An amulance, dead channeling - slim ball laywer.......who made millions from law suits and never did an honest days in his life.
Edwards couldn't win re-election as a NC Senator -chosing not to run and as a VP candidate could not carry his state.
The "Breck Boy" .....just what we need to lead the fight against radical terrorist.
Hotspur, ATL, USA
Dennis Kucinich is the only Democrat who makes any sense. We need to bring back America to a constitutional republic where our civil liberties and human rights will be protected by the President. We no longer need an imperial President who has for six years destroyed our country morally, financially, and militarily. At this point of time in our history America is no better than a banana republic ruled by a tinhorn dictator. Kucinich and Joe Biden would make a good team to restore America to its former glory and greatness!!
The7Ks, Sparta, NJ
This is exactly why we have these debates. This is the first time Hillary has had to think on her feet and it wasn't rehearsed by her political machine. She's a fraud with very little practical experience to be President. Why can't Americans see that as clearly as an Aussie?
Randy, Chesapeake, VA
Glenn from Greensboro:
By asking whether Obama is Muslim you are showing that you have paid no attention to the campaign. He has said at every opportunity that he is a christian, and has many events at Baptists chuches.
The only people that are spreading the rumor that he is a Muslim are the ones who want him to loose!
David Dowd, Syracuse,
Hillary quoted another great New Yorker, Ralph Kramden. "Homana, homana, homana". The worst thing about all of these politicians is that they are presented as the best and the brightest and come straight out of college to become Democrats or Republicans. Hillary did have a private sector job as a lawyer but lived in the governors mansion at the same time. Learn the lessons of earning a wage and paying taxes before you tell me what I need. Maybe even enlist in the armed forces to round out your experience. But don't come straight out of an Ivy covered institution and tell us that you know it all, because all you really know fit into 4 years worth of reading.
Colin, Ramsey, NJ
"It is obvious that men are still reluctant to see women playing leadership roles."
It's frustrating that no one can critique Clinton without having a gender bias thrown at them. Her rivals attacking her has nothing to do with her gender, it has to do with two things: her 1st place position, and her history. And recent polls show that no matter who the Senator runs against, 50% of the population will vote against her. That is not electable.
Patrick, San Francisco , CA
Hillary was her same old self. Dance, dance dance. There is never any meat in anything she says. Anyone but her. I would be happy with Obama or Edwards. I don't want another president with all the problems of her husband. Travel gate, missing files, future markets, FBI files, shady donations, land deals....etc. PLEASE, stop her. We need someone with some morals and won't do anything for power.
Brenda, Kansas City, MO
John Edwards, his only substance has become Hillary bashing. It's pathetic when you can only build yourself up by tearing down others!
Edwards should focus more on his platform and how he intends to implement change.
Real class Mr. Richardson, you were absolutely right!
Judy G. , Springfield, OR,
RON PAUL..............
marc, florida,
The debate was finally, "A debate". If someone is lying to get to the presidency, it is fair that other candidates reveal and play on that deception. It's not ganging up.
Touche to Edwards and Obama.
Hillary is doing the democratic party a disservice by being dishonest and attempting to project an honest and caring, even neuturing image. She is unelectable.
Heath Brewer,
Lancaster, PA
Heath Brewer, Paradise, PA
In my opinion, the debate format last night seemed deisigned to assail Senator Clinton.
JUn, Los Angeles, CA
It doesn't matter, whether it is Ms. Clinton, Barack Hussain Obama, or that total looser John Edwards. Any of those three would be unbelievably disasterous in these times that we find ourselves living. Ms. Clinton has experience, but it is all negative, Obama has NO experience, and Edwards is a self serving egotistical jerk!
Tom Wolfman, Hoffman Estates, Illinois
Hillary Rodham Clinton is just a fron for Lieberman's Democratic Leadership Committee, the neo-con wing of the party. Her campaign is infested with neo-cons from the Brookings Institute, the DLC's version of the American Enterprise Institute. Only Edwards correctly identified her allegiance to the neo-con agenda. Always keep in mind that HRC is DLC.
D I Warren, Edmonds, Washington
Once the "gentlemen" attacked Mrs. Clinton, it would have been productive if they had then followed up their comments with plans of their own that they think would be beneficial to the voters.
Same old same old, when you're not winning, then whine and cry and bully.
Boys will be boys.
Hillary has my vote
J Gerald, Dale, Indiana
It is obvious that men are still reluctant to see women playing leadership roles. Hillary is a hard cookie to eat . They have no other alternative, but to attack her constantly. Edwards and Obama lost more themselves than hurting HIlllary as a result of an overuse of the same strategy.
Elisa, Queens, NY
if not Hillary, then we as democrats, will loose to another republican. God Help The USA!!!!!
Denisa, tampa, fl
i think Senator Clinton should push back BUT not too much as the American people can now see none of her Democratic rivals have any clear thoughts of their own .. She is truely correct in wanting to wait until she enters the Oval Office and sees then what needs to be remedied .. i do have one question i wish someone somewhere would ask
Obama .. that is "are you a Muslim" yes or no !
Glenn Almond, Greensboro, North Carolina
The 3 leading contenders for the leadership of the worlds largest economy are 3 completely un qualified and internationally inexperienced people who are at best, good fundraisers. They are on the same team yet continue to argue amongst themselves. How is this good politics?This is the reason why the world is in such disaray. What every country needs is strong and reliable leaders, not a former house wife.(as great as they are theyre not meant to be presidents). The sad thing is Edwards is the most experienced and knowledgable about the world yet the americans like voting for the celebrity and not the right person, male or female.
luke, perth, australia
Edwards is the most electable, and has a personality that wears well over time. Obama is also a leader who people can accept. I would prefer him as V-P.
Edwards is "The Man."
oscar, Kigston , Pa
why shouldnt immigrants have driving licences??
Ray Metcalfe, napier, New Zealand
Finally Mr. Eduards showed he is a contender to reckon with. The primaries just started. There will be no coronation instead there will be a three way fight.
Robert Friedlander, Seattle, WA 98106
America is not ready for a women president right now. Times are very turbulent in the Mideast and no one knows what is going to happen in Iran. We might have to go to war with this country and I for one do not want a woman with absolutely any experience at the helm of the ship I am on.
In her latest debate she was evasive regarding driving licenses for illegal aliens, something that should not be allowed. Americans deserve a president âwho will tell them the truthâ.
This is my opinion and hope that Mr. Giuliani wins the Presidential Race. He cleaned up crime in New York City and handled the 9/11 attacks with brains, honesty, and action. Something we need in America NOW.
Walter L Bernstein, Davenport, FL
It's not fair.
The whole bunch- the Edwards, the Obamas and yes the Giulianis and the Romney's- all combined against Hillary and she still comes out the better man!
MOISES CAOILE, MINCHINBURY, NSW AUSTRALIA