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Guy Fawkes, a 17th-century English mercenary and terrorist who tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament, is an unlikely figurehead for a US Republican presidential candidate.
But Ron Paul is neither a run-of-the-mill Republican nor a typical presidential aspirant.
His supporters announced yesterday that they had smashed Republican fundraising records by hauling in a total of $4.3 million (£2 million) for his campaign from more than 37,000 donors over the previous 24 hours.
And they did it online, through the website ThisNovember5th.com, where Mr Paul’s speeches have been mashed up with clips of the film V for Vendetta, in which a sinister – but ultimately heroic – terrorist modelled on Fawkes destroys a fascist government in Britain. “Remember, remember, the fifth of November” is moved from British nursery rhyme to a campaign slogan in America.
Mr Paul, a 72-year-old ten-term Texas congressman, has been dismissed widely as a “kook” in the 2008 race. He advocates “Austrian economics”, a return to the gold standard and an end to the Iraq war.
He also wants the withdrawal of all American troops from abroad and the abolition of most government departments, including Energy, Education and Homeland Security.
Some of his supporters believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the American Government, others are white supremacists. Much to his own surprise, Mr Paul has become a cult figure among libertarians and students who pack rallies wearing “Ron Paul Revolution” T-shirts.
Like Howard Dean four years ago, it is the internet and a host of unofficial websites that are propelling him forward: Mr Paul’s name is the most searched of any candidate, his YouTube videos are the most watched and he regularly wins online polls after Republican presidential debates.
Unlike Mr Dean, who came close to winning the 2004 Democratic nomination, Mr Paul stands no chance of becoming the Republicans’ 2008 nominee. In national opinion polls he barely registers, and even in New Hamp-shire – the “live free or die” state – he gets an average of only 3.6 per cent support, according to RealClearPolitics.com, which tracks such surveys.
But his phenomenal fundraising achievements mean that Mr Paul has more than mere nuisance value in this White House race. In the third quarter of this year he raised $5.3 million, an amount similar to that generated by the former front-runner John McCain. He has set a goal of raising a further $12 million by the end of the year.
Yesterday Mr Paul attributed the record-breaking achievement to a “powerful message” and the frustration of people “who do not like the war and do not like the economy”.
Asked whether it was appropriate to use the image of Fawkes and November 5 in this way, he said that it was “just a gimmick”. He added that he had never spoken to organisers of the website. “We advocate a nonviolent – but revolutionary – approach.”
His spokesman issued a further clarification, saying that Mr Paul did not support blowing up parliaments or assassinating kings.
“He wants to demolish things like the Department of Education, but we can do that very peacefully.”
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Mr. Baldwin, you need to check your facts -- or at least ask your editor to do so. Dr. Paul did not organise the Nov. 5th "moneybomb" fundraising, nor is he organising the Dec. 16th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party fundraising. Both events have been organised by grassroots supporters. Many people support him, from all walks of life. Don't believe me? Look at My.RonPaulSpace.com or his Meetup groups. It is primarily his message that attracts people, but the man himself is attractive, too -- he is a genuine statesman, with unequivocal honesty and unassailable integrity. He *is* the real deal, and he *is* gaining momentum. You just might have to eat your words that he "stands no chance of becoming the Republicansâ 2008 nominee." And for the sake of not only America, but the world, let us all fervently hope and pray so. However, if he doesn't, we CAN write in his name come election day. Go, Ron, Go!!
Miriam P., Atlanta, Georgia
Remember, it was only 3-5% of the American population, that took part in the American Revolution, that is of historical fact.
This revolution, may have began with the same percentage, yet the rest will soon wakeup and follow. Ron Paul is moving up very quickly.
Another fact is that, these so called 'polls', are not polls as the average individual would consider. Most Americans 35 and younger only have cellular phones, and would therefore never be contacted to take part in one of these 'polls'.
Ron Paul is winning, but most important, is his message of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
"Don't Tread On Me" - Remember That?
December 16th will be remembered as the official start of this revolution.
TeaParty07(dot)com is where it starts. A day to remember.
Alan A, Northville, U.S./MI
You may have him (good luck with a Republican loonie) and you may also have Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper -- a George W Bush clone who takes his marching orders from the White House.
I hope you enjoy them. So far as I can tell, the UK hasn't had a high-profile right wing nut since Margaret Thatcher.
Perhaps as a resident of the country that originated parliamentary democracy you have no idea of what a hopeless gong show the US presidential race has become. From just north of the border, it's a marathon of stupidity, obscene spending, and "personalities not issues."
Be thankful for small mercies...
rab, Victoria, Canada
DAWN OF THE AMERICAN REFORMATION, AND END OF THE ERA OF THE UGLY AMERICAN
This Ron Paul constitutional rebellion is an escalation and re-orientation of the American Cultural War, by the American People, against the rising governmental tyranny by Neoconservative Republicans and Leftist Democrats. It is sweeping across America like a wildfire - ignited by the illegal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq.
It raises many crucial questions; such as, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to sacrifice precious American wealth and blood, in interests of domestic and foreign lobbies?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to allow my nation to be invaded and permanently by illegal aliens?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to support the sacrificial killing of children, by their own mothers?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to discriminate against traditional religious practices in public schools, universities, marriage institutions, armed forces, and governmental offices?
This creeping governmental tyranny, driven by perverse special interests, has now been going on for so many decades, like the illegal invasion, that the impending American Reformation is regarded with fear and loathing, by those who are to lose their illicit gains.
Like Gandhi, Ron Paul is drawing his intrepid volunteers from the full spectrum of humanity; and World is cheering him on to victory.
Naughten, San Francisco, USA
Ron Paul advocates âAustrian economicsâ. Boo! Now I am really scared!
PS: One can read on Austrian economics at mises.org
MCLA, B'lore,
The Ron Paul "Revolution" is a motley crew of social and political leftist Democrats who want to legalize illegal drugs, eliminate all "age of consent" laws and revert to an 18th century isolationism when it comes to international politics and a wing nut Right Wing composed of gun-hoarding, bunker-dwelling radical individualists whose sociopathic view of society is, to put it bluntly, dysfunctional. Add that to the insane conspiracy theories about the US Federal Reserve and 9/11 being an "inside job," a perverse misunderstanding of the US Constitution (which in fact BUILT a strong Federal government) and you understand quickly why they latched onto the terrorist and would-be mass murderer Guy Fawkes as a "hero."
His support is illusory and imaginary, and he's about as credible as Lyndon Larouche, and his policies are just about as insane.
Stephen A., Manchester, NH USA
Ron Paul supporters are rabid! I've done some research on Dr. Paul and his platform. I'm undecided as to whether or not I'm even still a Republican, but he seems interesting and I'd like to hear more from him. But man, you supporters of his are hard-core! I admire that and am, if I'm being honest, a bit scared at the same time.
Alicia, Powhatan, VA, USA
I don't like everything about Paul. I live in Taiwan, which he thinks is a part of China (I'm rabidly oppossed to this position). I'm pro-choice and I don't want to dismantle the Federal Reserve.
But for me, the most important issues in this campaign are:
1) rolling back the Executive authority Bush has claimed, and ending the indefinite detention of citizens / domestic spying / secret CIA prisons / military tribunals / shipping people to be tortured in allied countries, not to mention restoring habeas corpus.
2) having a rational foreign policy that does not involve spending a trillion dollars a year to maintain an empire that only hurts our national interests.
And for me, a leftist, Paul is the only guy who cares about or talks about those two issues, so I feel I must support him.
And when polls indicate 70% of Republican primary voters haven't heard enough about Paul to decide if they like him or not, is the problem really his platform or the lack of exposure?
Jason, Houston, TX, (living now in Taiwan)
youtube.com/watch?v=UArPCrwW0ho
This is my call to the Doug Stephan show yesterday. Doug is fully supporting Ron. Let's get one thing straight, Ron Paul stands a chance of winning this race: a very good chance of winning the Republican nomination and beating Hillary.
Derek Johnson, Marlin, TX
I wish we had a ron paul.
if he doesn't win over there, may we have yours?
jem, london, uk
It's time to let freedom ring once again in America. We broke away from England and created the most prosperous liberal society and economy in the history of the world. Sadly we have moved toward tyranny and oppression and show little difference to modern Orwellian Britain. It's time for the second American revolution to take hold. Let's make our founding fathers proud. It's time to show the world we are rebels, freedom lovers and revolutionaries once again.
Jay, San Francisco, CA
Hardly surprised to see The London Times printing this slanderous article against Dr. Ron Paul. After all, this is what they said about Lincoln shortly after he invoked the Constitutional authority of Congress to print its own money (the Greenback), interest-free:
âIf that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all coun¬tries will go to North America. That govern¬ment must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.â
I'd say our Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they prohibited third parties from printing their nation's money.
It's time we brought that principle back.
Philip, Los Angeles, California
I have a T-shirt that says, "Who is Ron Paul?"
[pause] - - - WHO IS TOM BALDWIN ?
Chuck George, Fairhope, Alabama, USA
In their haste to smear the Ron Paul revolution, the American media (and shamefully some British commentators too) are delightfully displaying their ignorance and woeful lack of knowledge, as a badge of honour, by trying to claim that November the 5th is when we celebrate Guy Fawkes attempt to blow up Parliament.
Actually that would be illegal under current anti-terrorism laws and anyone who celebrates Guy Fawkes could be detained without trial for up to 28 days and then charged with promoting terrorism.
Actually we celebrate that Fawkes' plot was foiled and the man himself killed.
Ken Hall, Barrow in Furness, UK
I believe in doing good, but I do NOT believe in forcing people to do good. THAT is WORSE than counter-productive; it turns a good into an evil, and it fosters resentment in people with the most intense life-force burning in their bellies. Besides, considering force as an option is usually a symptom of cynicism, ignorance, laziness and/or uncertainty on the part of its advocates; they don't believe in their missions strongly enough to get out and use honest persuasion and apply a realistic time-perspective.
James, Philadelphia, US
It is comical that your reporter Tom Baldwin called 10-term congressman and presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) a "kook" and tried to imply that his supporters include "white supremicists," a fact that he may have invented. Let me guess, Baldwin doesn't like Dr. Paul!
The appeal of Dr. Paul is that his message is one of peace, free market economics, free trade, low taxes, Constitutional government (that is, much smaller) and civil liberties. Oddly, this consistent limited government view is unusual today in the U.S. and hence a very exciting development for a large and growing number of people.
Tom Baldwin thinks that's "kooky." That's OK. We don't.
Philip Blumel, Atlantis, Florida USA
This is the second American Revolution. We refuse to go the way of Europe, and demand the return to our conservative principles that have made our country so great.
Jolly old England would not understand or support the "under dog," because you value "the establishment". So, if you want to comment on American politics, you're going to have to throw convention out the window this time around. Ron Paul does have a chance because Americans will never allow their freedoms to be taken from them. The time is NOW!
Cduffield, Pittsburgh, PA/us
Hi Tom,
When you have over 37,000 people give you an average of over $100 dollars each, even the most basic analysis of mathematical statistics will tell you that you'll find the odd flake in there. But why is it that Dr. Paul always gets the "some of his supporters are white supremacists" line? Does Benito Giuliani get the "some of his supporters are cross-dressers" line? Does Clinton get the "some of her supporters are marxist lesbians" line? No, of course they don't, because they are "top tier" candidates, as anointed by Rupert Murdoch's Fox News political commentators. So please, knock it off with the usual "he's mad and all of his supporters are mad" insinuations, as I foolishly used to believe you were better than this. Ron Paul is the only honest and principled politician in the USA; he believe's in peace and freedom and prosperity for all; and he's lived an exemplary life delivering over 4,000 babies as an obstetrician. He deserves our respect. Go Ron Paul.
Jack Maturin, Henley On Thames, Oxfordshire
Thanks Simon! After fortuitously stumbling on to the Times web site and somehow figuring out how to read the comments section at the end of this very puzzling article I have now been enlightened. I wonder if I am now "informed" enough to vote for my own president, now that I truly comprehend what a serious affair it is. Now if you would just be kind enought to tell me who to vote for. I don't want to imperil the world any more than I have to.
Joe Thornton, Warrenton VA, USA
It's time to let freedom ring once again in America. We broke away from England and created the most prosperous liberal society and economy in the history of the world. Sadly we have moved toward tyranny and oppression and show little difference to modern Orwellian Britain. It's time for the second American revolution to take hold. Let's make our founding fathers proud. It's time to show the world we are rebels, freedom lovers and revolutionaries once again.
Jay, San Francisco, CA
Dr Paul has done the seemingly impossible and made the US presidential primaries *interesting* to this Englishman at least.
That we had such a strong challenger to the tired old establishment here. Sadly we get MMR hyped safety valves like UKIP.
J Dodd, Liverpool,
Ron Paul is a "terrorist" to the same degree as British children who ask "a penny for the Guy."
Dr. Paul is the only candidate who would bring our troops home from our "temporary" bases in over 100 countries. I am visiting Ecuador at the moment and I have spoken to no one here who is happy with American troops on the Ecuadoran coast. In fact, the President of Ecuador has told the US that it must remove its troops when their lease runs out, unless they are willing to compromise by allowing an Ecuadoran military base next to Miami!
If we had 150 foreign military bases in the continental U.S., perhaps all Americans would then be supportive of Ron's position to Bring The Troops Home Now.
Bill, Chico, California
Ron Paul represents more than anything the re-estabishment of the conservtive base of the republican party (so I guess they all must be kooks as well). About 40% of americans now self-identify as "independents", many of them former republicans whom the paleo-liberals have driven away. Yes many of them thought Bush would sort of represent them, not knowing that Cheney, Feith, Perle, etc. had a different agenda altogether. Very many americans will turn to Ron Paul as the embodiment of true patriotism. Many liberals also find his stance against the war, federal eavesdropping, opposition to NAFTA heartening. His kooky supporters draw very wide, so sure white supremacists, 9/11 truthers, but these last two groups represent a very small segment of his base.
Carl Kelly, Peabody , MA USA
It figures that the times would refer to Ron Paul as some one who endorses terrorism. You make me sick with all your slanted views. Ron Paul is the only candidate republican or demecrat that defends and upholds the constitution and bill of rights. They were designed by our founding fathers to ensure ALL AMERICANS could live a free and prosperous life not just a few elitists. The media always talks about freedom of the press and equal time for all views. How about it, or does that only apply to people who follow the party line and the rest you just slander and ignore.
Jeff Cooper, Lapine, Or
To Ian Kemmish, Biggleswade: Points well taken. Unfortunately true. George Bush (although not the first) has expanded the power of the federal govt in very large and intrusive ways, contrary to our traditions. I don't want these to remain. Ron Paul represents a movement against this bureaucracy and intrusion into our lived. I believe he is a real hope for America. While he is on the fringe of our national debate, his appeal is growing as a push-back to the absurdity shown in the past 20 years. Is there any such debate in the UK?
Terry Vogler, Blacksburg, VA
"Mr Paul stands no chance of becoming the Republicansâ 2008 nominee"
The "experts" in the American press have been telling us this all year. They stopped saying it on Monday, when over 37,000 people donated to him in a 24-hour period.
Ron Paul has more volunteers than all the other candidates combined -- over 60,000 in over 1,000 different local clubs. He has won more straw polls of Republican Party activists than any other candidate. He is now raising more money than Giuliani and Romney. At some point you have to consider him a serious contender.
Voter turnout in American primaries is very low -- usually below 15%. Even a candidate below 10% in the polls could win easily, if his supporters are well organized and motivated. After November 5th, there is no doubt that Ron Paul's supporters are exceptionally well organized and motivated.
Doug D, Irvine, California
Ron Paul is the only candidate that understands the fragility of the American economy. He didn't "use" Guy Fawkes day as a fundraiser, it was organic and spontaneous and only shows his overwhelming support. He's only dismissed as a "kook" by those in the establishment that fear his push for transparent government. You can consume what the media wants to force-feed you or you can open your eyes and do your own research. AVOID BIAS MEDIA. If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!
People of the free world, open your eyes -- we are on the verge of losing what we value so highly...
Chris Stolte, Cambridge, MA
It's more about what is implied in the movie V for Vendetta than with the original incident with Guy Fawkes. The idea of blowing up a fascist state sits well with Americans these days because the USA is becoming a fascist state. The comparison fits all too well.
The attempted marginalization of Dr. Paul is typical. What Doctor No (as they call him) wants would be very bad for the elites, corporatists, military-industrial complex, medical-industrial complex, police state-prison industrial complex, socialists, fascists, bible-thumpers, and any other group that thinks it has a right to take away peoples freedom and wealth. Indeed the only implied violence we know of here in the US is that they used to kill people like Ron Paul. They killed John F. Kennedy after all.
Probably what matters most is that the media blackout here is comparable to the kind seen in the Soviet Union, and that says a lot about the current state of things here. But the support exists because we know that.
jsbatt, Seattle, WA
It has to be said that the election of a new American President is far too serious an affair on a global level to be left to the hands of the (somewhat misinformed) American people (before you guys start to hiss and scream, seriously, you are, and the sooner you realise this the better for all of us)...
simon, cardiff, UK
I met Ron Paul in 1988 when he ran as an independent - he's a very bright, honest guy and a persuasive, unscary speaker, not a 'kook' like Ross Perot. If he enjoyed half as much media coverage as the current frontrunners he could make a real difference.
Anthony Martindale, Reading, UK
-anti abortion?
Then he aint no libertarian then is he?! LOL
Sounds like a quack to me. Associating yourself with some crack-pot religious nutjob eg catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament is daft. And, um, yeah that makes Fawkes a terrorist. Not a freedom fighter associated with the Founding Fathers. Unless you extend that honour to the Saudis who want America out of their business?
John, England,
So Ron Paul is a believer in peace, freedom, low taxes and the rule of law and is against foreign wars and the Security State.
Wow what a kook!!!
No wonder he has no chance of being elected.
Julius Blumfeld, London , UK
Surely Fawkes was seeking to IMPOSE fascist government, or at least Catholic absolutism. The protestant ascendancy led to democracy, catholic absolutism involves laws being imposed from on high by unelected, unrepresentative monarchs (or EU commissioners).
John Ledbury, Kings Lynn, England
Terry in Virginia (two comments below): I'm British and I live in the UK. 5% of my investments happen to be in global companies headquartered in the US. Because of this, 90% of the occasional official forms I have had to fill out in the past few years have been US government forms, not UK government forms. If I choose to visit the US, then even though I have created dozens of jobs in the country over the years, I am fingerprinted like a common criminal. You can best us hands down on red tape, intrusive interference and surveillance every time.
Ian Kemmish, Biggleswade, UK
Ron Paul is not going to win. This from a 'reporter' who is evidently psychic, and is therefore eminently qualified to make non-factual claims about future events. Great journalism! You might have looked a little more deeply into Paul's philosophical positions instead of attempting to marginalize this ten-term Representative of the American people, elected from a very conservative district not because the people of that district support or even understand the philosophical roots of all of his positions but because they recognize a great and honest man who can lead them to a proper understanding of the role of the state in the life of the individual. But I guess it is easier to denigrate a man who doesn't mouthe the old, comfortable platitudes that sleeping people like to hear from pandering politicians. We have a statesman here! Don't be brain-dead, OK?
Dennis, Kamuela, HI
What else is there to say about British comedy?
Tom Jefferson, Bay Area, USA
Glad we seceded from you lot. Dr Paul advocates the individual liberty that drove my Scot-Irish forebearers to fight for our independence from King George III.
I have been to the UK many times. Nice place to visit, but terrible now with our lousy dollar. However, I don't want America to ever be like England. High welfare, high taxes, lots of cameras, lots of required permits. No thanks.
Terry Vogler, Blacksburg, VA, USA
I am a 46 year old registered nurse, not a white supremacist nor any other type of kook. I voted for Bush x 2 but now I have awoken and I support Dr. Ron Paul and I gave on the 5th.
My take on the connection to the 'V' movie was that the people finally woke up, shook off their government sponsored fear and acted in unison to take their country back.
We want our country back.
Diana Nickel, winneconne, Wi USA
This is really bad. British journalism is as silly as American journalism.
Brian, Kansas City, KS
Hey Tom. This just in: Ron Paul is going to win.
I have a feeling that the crow is going to be extinct by the time the General Election rolls around.
Chris S, st. louis, MO
I am a Ron Paul supporter. I support him because he is a believer in natural rights -life, liberty and property - and in common law which flows out of natural rights.
I support him because he holds that the Constitution is a product of natural rights and common law and that the states in sovereignty with their respective people in convention gave, through their ratification, the Constitution, having been drafted in Philadelphia, its authority, and through the Constitution created the general government (federal government) which is the agent of the states which remain the principals.
I support him because he champions the Republic and abhors the empire which we have become.
I support him because he believes that a people should only go to war if that action meets the Christian just war standard and is Constitutional, i.e. formally declared by the Congress of the United States.
If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, I will still vote for him, against the evil of two lessors!
robert m. peters, Coushatta, Louisiana, USA
Don't underestimate the American people's response to attacks on their freedom.
Jonathan, Turlock, Ca.
Like a previous commenter stated, since he is a man of integrity it is difficult (if not impossible) to smear him on a personal level so the media and ill-informed reporters resort to associating Dr. Paul with fringe supporters that do NOT represent the whole of his supporters. And what candidate doesn't have nuts in his camp? Are candidates now required to be responsible for the views of every one of their supporters? That is not what the USA is about. What convinces me of the legitimacy of Paul's candidacy is the fact he has had the same message for decades! Just "google" him and you will see.
By the way, I was a registered Democrat and voted for Kerry. However, I have made the switch to Republican so that I can vote for Dr. Paul. I am an African-American woman supporter who is sharing the message of his message of "Individual Liberty" to everyone I know.
Rhon D., Dayton, United States
He's low in the polls because pollsters only call people with landlines. Even my ninety year old grandfather-in-law no longer has a land line. We're a cell phone society. Pollsters don't call cell phone numbers.
Watch closely, Ron Paul is going to win in the New Hampshire primary.
Jennifer, Alexandria, Louisiana, USA
First off, it's Dr. Paul. Secondly your understanding of his positions and how he wishes to implement his ideas is misinformed. He does not want to return to the gold standard as you so boldly stated, but allow a competing currency backed by gold or silver as the American constitution demands. He does not intend to just turn off all departments in one day; he would have a slow reduction in large and inefficient bureaucracy, such as in the Department of Homeland Defense (they already have a department for defense itâs called the Defense Department). Also Dr. Paul has stated many times that he does not support the views in any way of the white supremacists and 9/11 "Truthers" as you make it sound. Finally, please donât say that someone doesn't have a chance to win. I believe that it should be left to the voters come the primaries.
Paul Klavins, Calgary, Alberta
Ron Paul is the Thomas Jefferson of OUR time.
Only Ron Paul can defeat the socialistic Democrats.
Only Ron Paul has a consistent record supporting the Constitution and Bill of Rights for 20 years in Congress.
Only Ron Paul will end the foreign wars as soon as possible and bring peace and sensibility to US foreign policy.
Google Video or YouTube: "Ron Paul"
Spread the word about Ron Paul to all you know.
Donate generously to Ron Paul 2008 website.
Volunteer for your local Ron Paul Meetup.com group
Jeffrey S., San Francsico, CA
"Some of his supporters believe that 9/11 was an inside job by the American Government, others are white supremacists. "
Neither make up any significant portion of his supporters, and that is obvious. What is your motivation for writing that?
Zach, Phoenix, USA
I donated to Ron Paul yesterday on the 5th, and I do not care about Guy Fawkes. The simple fact is that the date was set over a month ago and supporters grew each day since then because the date was spread around the internet. To say in a headline that Ron Paul raised 4.2 million on the back of a notorious terrorist is simply false because the supporters donated to show that they are behind Dr. Paul not because they like Guy Fawkes and realized that Ron Paul is on Guy Fawkes day. Linking terrorist to Ron Paul's name is a great headline to advertise - thank you.
Spencer MacColl, Claremont, CA, USA
There was never such a thing as a terrorist in colonial times. They never even used that word but then you and likes of you have to use the term "terrorist" in way that you and the rest of the MSM can spin it that somehow, somewhere, the one presidential candidate who actually has intregrity, Ron Paul can be associated with terrorism. Well, we didn't start using the word terrorist until 1972 in Munich. If Guy Fawkes was a terrorist, so was our founding fathers and all those who believed in liberty. So, are you dishonoring all those people of the US who fought in the revolutionary war and calling them terrorist too for going against the establishment? Are all of us who disagree with the establishment governing, who speak up, support this presidential candidate, and help fund his election terrorists? According to you, yes. But then again, why should we give any credit to anyone who does seem to be able to think for themselves?
Glenn, slc, ut,
Good up until the 9/11 truthers. You think Ron Paul is the only one out there with "kooks" following his campaign. No he is'nt the only one, the problem is this man has no skeletons or trash that needs to be taken out. You the media keep trying to highlight those points because it's all you have to try and smear his good name.
I feel another money bomb by Christmas, but keep it up your views are what drives us to spread his name to others.
James, Louisville, Kentucky
I am a democrat but if Ron Paul gets nominated I will vote for him.
Pete, Santa Barbara,
"...Mr Paul stands no chance...", "more than mere nuisance", etc.
Sounds a tad dismissive to me.
Mr Paul may not get the job, but he does sound like quite decent man to me.
-a physician (Ob/Gyn)
-served in the military
-doesn't accept corporate money
and is
-anti death penalty
-anti abortion
-for border security
-for states rights
-stickler for the Constitution
See his website, http://RonPaul2008.com
-AK
AK, Portland, Oregon
Austrians view entrepreneurship as the driving force in economic development, see private property as essential to the efficient use of resources, and usually (if not always) see government interference in market processes as counterproductive.
As with neoclassical economists, Austrians reject classical cost of production theories, most famously the labor theory of value. Instead they explain value by reference to the subjective preferences of individuals. This psychological aspect to Menger's economics has been attributed to the school's birth in turn of the century Vienna. Supply and demand are explained by aggregating over the decisions of individuals, following the precepts of methodological individualism, which asserts that only individuals and not collectives make decisions, and marginalist arguments, which compare the costs and benefits for incremental changes.
wikipedia entry regarding "Austrian Economics"(dubious quotation marks added as per the above misleading article)
R. Ashonnal, Elysian Fields,
Well I am no 9/11 conspiracist nor a white suprecemist quite the opposite (think antifascist). In fact I am a peaceful liberal American who realizes that we must save our republic if I wish to continue my liberal lifestyle. If we descend into dictatorship or tyranny then politics will not matter any more. This is why I switched parties to join the revolution. Peace.
Joshua, Manhattan, US
Because Ron Paul does register where it counts, he is to become the next US president and by major landslides in two consecutive terms.
L. A. Dietz, Palma de Mallorca, Spain
let the mud slinging begin.
supports Paul, Seattle,
I think this article tries to give a nod to Ron Paul but seeks to discredit him at the same time. Your views come loud and clear on how you feel about this particular candidate. I think that sort of money raised indicates that his base is more than 9/11 kooks and white supremacists and it truly calls your article into question. I'm voting for John McCain but I say good for you Ron Paul!
Christopher Barnes, Las Vegas, NV
"Mr Paul stands no chance of becoming the Republicansâ 2008 nominee." Wow is this your opinion, or is this actual fact. Amazing perception. Also amazing how he's trailing in the national polls, but winning half of the straw polls. Now that Ron Paul supporters have shown that they are not just a few bloggers spamming the online polls, you resort to saying that his supporters are 9/11 truthers, and white supremacists. You are obviously trying to discredit him. Ron Paul has stated that he is not a truther, and does not agree with this view. " First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." You should be afraid, your world is about to change.
Jason Beasley, Punta Gorda, FL
Lets get one thing straight. Any person or government that usurps the free will of the people is/are the true terrorist. Guy Fawkes was a liberator and an inspiration in these Orwellian times.
Fascist beware! You have been served notice!
stephen, covina,
The fund-raising campaign for Ron Paul took place on Guy Fawkes Day, November 5th. What should be noted is November 5th is celebrated throughout England as the foiling of the plot to blow up Parliament. The day never has been a celebration of revolution against the central government but rather the smashing of a plot by a Catholic fanatic to assasinate his Protestant rulers. Given this history of Guy Fawkes Day, the response of critics that it's a terrorist celebration makes no sense whatsoever. That never has been its meaning, not in four hundred years of celebration.
Of course the opponents of Ron Paul are upset by the power shown by his campaign fundraising and they grasp at straws to express their displeasure.
John McCarthy, Lenexa, Kansas
It's cool you partially tried not to make this article biased.
It still kind of was.
. . . But good for you.
Paul has a chance, believe it. The media, for one reason or another, doesn't like that proposal and seems to throw Paul supporters into the category of white supremacists or 9/11 conspirators. Unfortunately for the media, they're not. They're all Americans, some good, some bad. People aren't perfect and the Paul campaign and its supporters are aware of that. They're not, as the media-produced culture of the United States has become, superficial, confused, and belligerent worms.
This is merely the vomit protruding from the belly of the beast. Rather or not supporters have formed a sword and seriously wounded the eventual dictatorship, that'll be decided in exactly a year from this November 5, when the next U.S. President is announced.
Vote Ron Paul November 4, 2008 if you can . . . If you care. And don't rely on what the media and polls tell you! Be an individual!
Matt, Flint, MI
Mr. Baldwin, I have a few things I want to say. I am a Ron Paul supporter who donated money on the fifth of November. I am not a conspiracy theorist or a white supremacist. I think Ron Paul has a good shot at winning the GOP nomination. You mention Dr. Paul not registering on scientific polls, but it is my understanding that those polls are conducted by contacting people who voted in the 2004 GOP primaries. FYI, only 6.6% of registered republicans bothered to show up to vote for you know who in the primaries. I don't think a poll of GW's base shows much of anything.
Overall, I'm glad you wrote this article. At the very least, it gets Dr. Paul's message out there.
If you're wondering about me, I'm a 27 year old registered republican. I voted for Bush in 2000 and Badnarik in 2004.
Andy, South Pasadena, CA, USA
Wow, you guys are extremely biased. Why in the world would you mention white supremacists or 9/11 kooks as supporters unless you are trying to smear him? The wording of your article is very suspicious. And why would mention terrorist or the last paragraph? Shame on this website and its smear campaign.
Kevin, Akron, Ohio, USA
What's with the quotes around Austrian Economics? Last I checked there is nothing "quotey" about it, it's a bona fide school of economics.
John, Sunnyvale, CA