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Barack Obama sought to turn the tables on Hillary Clinton yesterday over his controversial remarks that small town Americans “cling” to guns and religion.
In separate appearances before an audience of steelworkers in Pittsburgh, a week before Pennsylvania’s primary, the Democratic rivals attacked each other aggressively, with one new poll showing Mrs Clinton opening up a formidable 20-point lead in the State.
The American Research Group survey comes after polls last week showed him pulling to within five points of Mrs Clinton in Pennsylvania. Yesterday’s poll, taken since the “guns and religion” controversy erupted, puts Mrs Clinton ahead 57 per cent to 37, and leading among white voters 64 points to 29. The ARG polls can be unreliable and another survey, by Temple University in Philadelphia, gave Mrs Clinton a nine-point lead.
Last week Mr Obama, at a fundraiser in San Francisco, tried to explain why he has trouble attracting white, working-class voters, a large voting bloc in Pennsylvania. He said that, frustrated with their economic plight, “it’s not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them . . . as a way to explain their frustrations”.
Mrs Clinton has spent the past three days calling Mr Obama “elitist” and “out of touch”, and told the steelworkers audience that his remarks were “offensive”. John McCain, in Washington, echoed that criticism. Later, in a speech in Washington, a defiant Mr Obama said he was a person of “deep faith”, went after Mr McCain, and said: “Contrary to what my poor word choices may have implied or my opponents have suggested, I’ve never believed that these traditions or people’s faith has anything to do with how much money they have.”
Speaking to the steelworkers earlier, Mr Obama accused Mrs Clinton of being a dishonest panderer. He conceded that the words he used in his “bitter” remarks were badly chosen, then rounded on his rival. “Around election time, the candidates [will] promise you anything . . . and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer,” Mr Obama said to loud laughter. Mrs Clinton did just that in an Indiana bar on Saturday.
Turning to the North American Free Trade Agreement, which Mrs Clinton backed in 1993 but now opposes, Mr Obama said: “You can’t spend the better part of two decades campaigning for Nafta . . . and then come here to Pennsylvania, and tell the steelworkers you’ve been with them all along.” At a union hall on Sunday night, Mr Obama said that Mrs Clinton seemed more interested in guns and hunting. “She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen . . . she is talking like she is Annie Oakley,” Mr Obama said, mockingly comparing her to the legendary American sharpshooter.
Most steelworkers questioned by The Times said that the furore was an irrelevant distraction. Indeed, in a part of Pennsylvania that should favour Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s speech was far more warmly received.
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I do wish that Clinton and Obama would quit wasting time sniping at each other. They're doing the Republicans' work FOR them! Come on, guys, tell us how you're going to make the country better, and get out of this gutter politics. I'd be happy to vote for either of them, but the nastier they get, the less enthusiasm I have, and John McCain (who has the luxury of staying out of it) looks better all the time. Is this what they really want?
LA Steve, Torrance, CA
People who are poor hold on to Religion,That's a fact, Black people during dispair of Slavery survived due to faith. There has been so many Mass Murders in shopping Centres, where some guy go out shoot 15 20 or more the last one I heard of this year was one who shot 32 people dead and then shot him self because he lost his Job, in America. How does some POOR BLACK man be classified as being elitist, who came from a one parent family, his mother died of Cancer and had to be raised by his white granmother, some one that refused to hang out on street corners, and instead got an education. Now for the life of me, how does white America want to condem such a man. That is a man of great resolve, and determination, and a man of courage, this is AMERICA'S ROLE MODEL, Bush & Clinton was born with a gold spoon in their mouth, Hillary Claims she is related to ROYALTY, who did OBAMA claim to be related to, his only claim to fame is he is a member of the human race, like the rest of us.
Daphne Kenward, Cambridge, United Kingdom
The time has come for Obama to go back to the real issues leave, Mrs Clinton on the cheap rides and Political tricks, you have to over ride this, move on, once she can tie, Obama into talking rubbish about nothing, she is getting him off the real issues. Obama needs to come out firing, and tell her that people are not interested in the cheap pointless shots. People want to know about real issues policies. For example I know that Most Americans are on less than Minimum Wages in most developed Countries, with the cost of living going up people want to hear more about how they will survive this great depression, the first since 1929, go back to basics, get on to real issues. Being bugged down in who said or he said she said, is not political issues, it's cheap sideline tricks and don't bite the bate. Get out of it move on. Its time to get focused.
Hillary know it bull, and yes she knows better but is she going to do better? you have to up your game. YES WE CAN! No negatives NOW. JOB JOBS
Daphne Kenward, Cambridge, United Kingdom
I am amazed that the American people can be fooled three times in a row.Twice by Bush and now by the fairy tale.
Andrew G O'Donnell, Sacramento, CA .USA
It is very obvious what Obama meant, He concedes that may be on reflection he could have chosen better words. Statistcs speak for themselves. Dwelling on this" Bitter "debate is simply shallow political tactic for votes on Mrs Clinton's side. People want to hear about the issues, not semantics, people want to know what you will do that will make their country better , they do not want to know how good you are at spinning, so obviously, what was not meant. It is obvious Obama is not elist, the guy is almost a self made man! How American do they come!
Keep onto the issues Obama, keep telling people what you are going to do when you get into the white house and let people make their own judgements!
Poor choice of words is not as serious as, what did she call it "misspoke". A story she repeated many times over. Will she mispeak too as a President when the heat is on?
I still think Barack has a lot more to offer not only the USA but the world as a US President.
Margaret London
Margaret Kalilani, London, UK
That guy Obama, I hope and I will pray for Obama, and Gods guidance for him, because he has come along at a time, when the world needs direction, and leadership, and for what little he can do, it will make a great impact on the rest of the world coming out of a place like America, for the first time, with it's past. When you use force it needs to be perportional, the result you get is exact to the force used, trying to change people by trying to kill them and their relatives, is the most foolish idea I have ever heard. Showing people ways to progress, be more productive and the benefits of Technology is a cirtain way to change the way people think. To spend a Trillion Dollars on a war that does not offer any benefits to America or the Iraqi people is the most stupid idealogy I have ever heard of. Change is over time, violence only promotes more violence. How do you gain peace using threats, if you want peace you have to act peacefully. Equal measure, Iraqi had plans to attack Ammerica
Daphne Kenward, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Obama in my view, is the first leader in political History who has the courage to face the issues of our time. And face it with honesty. The unfortunate thing for many people especially in America, it is not a Mature society, they have no history, they have no culture, the only culture they have is the GUN cluture, it is the same culture which resulted in the Colombine masacre, and the many Masacres in America over the years, the serial killers, the dirive by shooters, the same crimes which resulted in the murder of several of their best leaders in their short history. To hold on to power, using crime & violence against the rest of the world, has been a mistake. The fact is we are at a crossroad, and the most dangerious, we have ever faced, we hear about Terrorism, the Muslim world. I will tell any body this even a Politican, the real terror we are faced with is global warming, Famine, desease, and in the mix a global melt down. I would not lose any sleep over any thing Hillary says.
Daphne Kenward, Cambridge, United Kingdom
We are living in (Revelation Times) what we do in life will come back to haunt us, Newtons law of physics, with every action there is a reaction. And to think we have had the most educated running our world, take a good look at this world. And the state these Politicans has got us into. They have no morality, their idea of rule is about twisted truths, to suit their political agenda. and further more to fool the masses. They use lies spin, fraud, dirty tricks, anything they can, and the reality is people still have not learnt. They still go out and vote for the contricksters, because they like what they hear, they enjoy being fooled. They like to think there is some big guy out there who is going to protect them, how many people in New Orleans feels G W BUSH protected them, how many think they were protected from Sept 11th, Former Bill Clintons presidency had information to get Bin Layden, chose not to, and here we have Hillary with her phone call senarios, I wonder which planet I'm on
Daphne Kenward, Cambridge, United Kingdom
âitâs not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arenât like them . . . as a way to explain their frustrationsâ
That's the first time I've seen the quote in this form. Every other time I've seen it it's been taken out of context, key words being bitter, guns, religion, frustration. I can't believe the low opportunism of the Clinton campaign, taking his words out of context and posing with sanctimonious airs. She's so plainly the elitist it's almost sickening. You can tell that with every nuance of her wording. Obama's words have insight and in no way are unsympathetic to the people there. You have a prosperous country, full employment, and people will not make superficial issues their points of contention. You have people on on the skids and they will look for something to believe in, be it gun laws, religion, nationalism, or whatever ideology.
They're just making it easier for McCain, unfortunately, and his side is loving it.
Grant, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania , USA
Clearly the only thing Obama has ever done wrong himself is tellt he truth about bitter Americans. Otherwise there would have been more on the news during the past 2 days. I actually read an article that claimed he was trying to ignore issues by talking about trade. O MY God. Trying to sidestep the issues to talk about such a little tiny, insignificant, miniscule topic such as world trade? WHAT AN ELITIST. You guys are playing your cards, the only ones you have. Don't be surprised if come June people are already sick again of your name calling.
There are 2 things that are clear here: that Obama is not guilty of anything except telling the truth, and that you are clearly opposed to anything of that sort.
Hunter S, Bakersfield, CA
The previous poll from ARG shows that the difference is still the same. The problem is that you're comparing polls from different Pollsters which is really a stupid thing to do.
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irvin, hampstead, london, uk
Right on Obama. I grew up in the midwest and loved my guns and religion and yes I was a bitter fellow when I was unemployed. Now I am a happy fellow, no guns, no job, no equity, no summer home in Scranton Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, I demand a stiff shot of liquor, a beer and an apology.
hammerdown, los angeles, cal
Don't you mean O-Baaah-ma. I swear its a cult.
Anthony, London,
obama is a breath of fresh air. ok so what if he has made a few mistakes- shows hes human.
havent you had enough of the clintons.
with the money they have how could they possibly know what "doing it tough "means.
what i find disgusting is that BILL has used twice the amount of money that ex presidents are entitled to.
you think that voting hilary in will change things .
i very much doubt it.
sandra, melbourne, australia
I don't worship Obama, neither McCain nor Hillary, but I do think the man has a point.
I'm sure that Hillary says the same thing behind closed doors. In fact, I'm sure her private views are rather more contemptuous.
WJB, Brussels,
Clearly, Obama is a polarizing figure--NOT a mainstream unifier. His voting history in the senate confirms this.
For the record--Americans have ALWAYS "clinged" to the rule of law (U.S. Sovereignty), their families and "things" like religion--in good & bad times. In the mind of a neo Marxist elitist like Obama this naturally would translate BIGOTRY & OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE. Moreover, Obama's elitist condescension contempt would indicate that his 20 year affiliation with Wright's racist ministry (Whites infected black neighborhoods with AIDs & drugs, etc) had to do with condoning Wright's politics & shoring up a Black constituency--rather than "CLINGING to religion".
Obama's giveaway inadvertant slips, his multiple contradictory rationales & his 20 year association with "spiritual mentor" Wright & Soros ilk are either clueless/incompetent, irresponsible, or dissembling dishonest.
(Try the latter two.)
The Democratic Party NEVER learns a lesson.
McCain will win by default.
cathy hansen, ruckersville, virginia, USA
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Is that clear enough for you?
Jimmy C, Letchworth, UK
i think that hillary is just being racist!
jane, clemson, atlanta
Why oh why does Obama-worship blind you Obama supporters to the truth of what Obama said? He did not JUST say that people are bitter. He said that people "cling to religion" BECAUSE they're bitter. And that people are "cling to guns" BECAUSE they're bitter. Saying I'm bitter too. Totally misses the point. Yeah, you can say "I'M BITTER TOO. YAY! OBAMA IS RIGHT." But you totally miss the point. I've yet to hear anyone say: "YEAH I'M RELIGIOUS BECAUSE I'M BITTER! OBAMA IS RIGHT!" Now that is Obama's point. Read his speech again.
Eddie, SilverCity, NM
I think he meant that people vote based on these things (religion, guns...) instead of on the issues that really matter because they are frustrated. For example my mother voted for Bush because she was mad w/Bill Clinton when he was found out to be very unfaithful. She voted for Bush because she was frustrated with Bill's behavior. It went against her relious beliefs. Sometimes people vote for whomever because they are prochoice or anti-gay marriage or whatever instead of the candidate that can improve the economy. If the folks in PA are really as smart as they say they are then they shouldn't let Hillary Clinton tell them that they have been demeaned - because they haven't. Obama got his start working with churches, so he obviously respects that institution. He was raised by a single mom, so he knows about being middle class. Since his dad left him, he knows about being bitter and frustrated. Hillary is speaking like a republican to serve her own selfish agenda. THINK!!!!!!!
Artola, Lafayette, Louisiana
How can someone with a yearly income of $12,000,000.00 and entrenched in the political establishment accuse their opponent of being an elite and be taken seriously? I can't understand the discombobulated thinking of Ms Clinton. Bullets in Bosnia, Irish peacemaking, supports NAFTA then unsupports it, votes for Bush's war then runs over that Thanksgiving to tell the troops it's questionable. Now Hillary is playing the whiskey swilling duck huntin' good old gal. I know PA is sharper than Clinton is giving them credit for.
Lennie, Palm Springs, Ca
Obama is essentially arguing that patterns of behavior and belief that his cohort of the socialized Left finds baffling and aberrant can only be a side-effect of economic failure and bad government policy, and can be corrected by government action. I'm an agnostic urbanite with a rifle that hasn't been fired in twenty years and I still find that mindset troubling - I'm quite certain that somewhere in my lifestyle there's something that his social engineers would not like.
Obama's statement is what's sometimes known in the US pol press as a 'Kinlsey gaffe' - a statement too clearly evident of what a candidate truly believes. For a candidate like Obama who has no legislative record and whose entire campaign has been an exercise in cautious nonspecificity, such slips are especially damaging.
John Miller, Foster City , USA/CA
I live in Western Pennsylvania just outside of Pittsburgh. Senator Obama's comments reflect how little he understands of small town and/or rural America. Yes, folks might be a tad bitter if their jobs were outsourced to a foreign country, they don't qualify for Medicaid and can't pay for health insurance and don't qualify for aide because they do not belong to a recognized minority special interest group. But their hunting rifles and religion are not they way they deal with their problems. They deal with their problems by working multiple low paying jobs, doing without and going to food banks. To Cameron in Baltimore - they are also literate and no fools. You might try to emulate the "no fools" part before you cast your vote.
Mary, PIttsburgh, PA
I hold no brief for either Obama or Clinton but when it comes to criticizing gun ownership--and there is surely much to criticize--why didn't Mr Obama level any opprobrium at the thousands of illegal gun owners who haunt, harass and threaten every urban landscape in America?
David Brownell, Manchester, VT, USA
What Obama said was correct. Unfortunately in American politics there is no place for the truth
Bruce Northwood, Washington, D.C., USA
Compare McCain to Obama.
"... Today, John McCain offered a different account of small town America:
"During the Great Depression, with many millions of Americans out of work and the country suffering the worst economic crisis in our history, there rose from small towns, rural communities, inner cities, a generation of Americans who fought to save the world from despotism and mass murder, and came home to build the wealthiest, strongest and most generous nation on earth.
They suffered the worst during the Depression, but it did not shake their faith in, and fidelity to, America. They did not turn to their religious faith and cultural traditions out of resentment and a feeling of powerlessness to affect the course of government or pursue prosperity. On the contrary, their faith had given generations of their families' purpose and meaning, as it does today." ..."
Nona, New York City, USA
I am and have been bitter with this government for a very long time. I welcome the fresh breath of air Barack Obama brings to this country. I hope people will recognize him as a friend to the people instread of getting caught up in the media frenzies brought on by politicians that are trying to protect the government that protects corporations over its citizens. Barack Obama is for the people. I choose him!!!!
Janet, Clearwater, Fl
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania, and live here now. Guns and religion are part of our heritage, which is over 300 years old. It is insulting to have someone say our love of God and respect for guns has anything to do with economics.
Susan J, Meadville, Pennsylvania USA
John McCain is the man for the job, the others are full of empty words. John McCain will get the job done without having to talk about it all the time.
VJB, London,
Clinton needs to go, she calls him an elitist when he is from a working class background, is much much poorer than she is, and has spent his life working with people in Chicago and Illionois. It is so clear, what you see in other people is what you really see in yourself.
I'm so sick of her constant attacks, she might be acting smug thinking she has the Rush Limbaugh repugs on her side, they are only voting for her because she is a weaker opposition. Wake up Hillary! Stop ruining your party and stop supporting John McCain. Just go and retire in fact.
Clare, Houston, TX
this about the saddest thing that i have have ever read.
guns and religion are the two greatest threats to any modern, educated society yet here we are with someone speaking about this being punished for it.
i did not support obama until now.
the litterate 50,000 voters are with you, barak. shame thr others get to vote.
cameron, baltimore,
I highly doubt Obama will win PA. The demographics do not favor him. Since Super Tuesday, he has lost ground with the groups that have supported him. Revelations that include his relationship with Rezko, his campaign's comments to Canada about NAFTA, and, the most damaging of all, his friend and spirital mentor, the racist, hate-mongering Reverend Wright, add to that his own statements about "typical white people," and its easy to see why. Additionally, he has dissed the gay community, as well as, the working class. Voters in PA have a wealth of information about Obama that the rest of the country did not until after Super Tuesday. He is no longer the "messiah" nor he is squeaky clean. Having broken his agreement on campaign financing shows us exactly what his character is, and its not pretty.
EV, Atlanta, GA
Paul, from your mouth to God's ears. Barack Obama will make a wonderful president. He's a fine man, and a leader and not only the US will benefit with him in the White House, but the entire world.
He is not an elitist; think of it, folks: Barack's father left him when he was two, he was raised by a single mom and sent away to his grandparents. He just finished paying off his students loans. The Clintons have amassed 110 million dollars in a very short time; at least that much. Who are the elitists here? Don't be fooled by the tongue of a slick politician.
Joan NB Saint John, Quispam, CA
I find Obama to be a ridiculous fellow of sorts. The hypocrisy of his words is unparalleled even by Hilary Clinton.
"Around election time, the candidates can't do enough for you. They'll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer,"
I cannot say that i had possibly heard much of him before these elections. My money is still on the super delegates to swing it for Hilary Clinton, simply on the rather correct stance that she stands more chance of winning in November (but what can we say, the Americans will probably get it wrong as usual and allow Obama to be slaughtered in the summer by John McCain).
As all this nonsense over Iraq is quite correctly being replaced with the issue of their failing economy Obama no longer has his war opposition to fall back on.
Stephen Desmond, Cheshire, England
despit what the polls say!, following all the commentary and the news over the last weeks, It looks like Obama will win Pennsylvannia. The Choice is too glaringly clear. the election in penn will be a big surprise and will bring this primary soap opera to an end for Clinton. its going to be the white men that will swing it for him
paul, newark new jersey, usa