50 Stock Exchange flotation, 1991
United were not the first football club to take this route, but it helped
consolidate their position as the wealthiest outfit in the country.
49 Thrashed by Barcelona, 1994
United harboured hopes of becoming European champions but – hampered by the
rule that restricted foreign players and classed non-English players from
the British Isles as such – they were put firmly in their place by Romario,
Stoichkov and Co.
48 Betting scandal, 1915
With United in danger of relegation from the top division, three of their
players conspired with four Liverpool players to fix the match. All were
banned for life.
47 Playing at home in Plymouth, 1977
Hooliganism followed United during the mid-1970s and, as punishment for their
fans’ behaviour in the first leg away to St Etienne, they had to play the
return at least 200 kilometres from Manchester, and duly progressed after a
2-0 win at Home Park.
46 Louis Edwards scandal, 1980
Granada Television’s World in Action programme accused United chairman Louis
Edwards of suspect dealing in the meat industry and bribing the parents of
schoolboy players. The police and football authorities began investigating
but Edwards soon died of a heart attack, leaving the inquires to peter out.
45 Whiteside’s winner, 1985
Norman Whiteside had already shown his liking for the big occasion by scoring
in the FA Cup and League Cup finals of 1983 and playing in the 1982 World
Cup finals. Facing Everton, the league champions, in the 1985 FA Cup Final
in a United side down to ten men, he curled a brilliant shot home in
extra-time to ensure a 1-0 win.
44 MUTV launched, 1998
To emphasise their ambition and commercial standing, United formed their own
television channel, three years before any other English club. Chelsea TV
followed in 2001.
43 Signing of Rooney, 2004
Wayne Rooney was English football’s hottest property for years so United
flexed their financial muscle to prize him from Everton for a transfer fee
of up to £29million.
42 Michael Knighton’s juggling, 1989
The prospective owner played keepy-uppy in the sunshine before the opening-day
hammering of Arsenal but the deal fell through amid claims that he could not
find backers.
41 Ray Wood’s injury, 1957
United were firm favourites to complete the first League and Cup Double of the
20th century but Peter McFarland’s violent foul on Ray Wood after six
minutes forced the United goalkeeper off. In the days before substitutes and
proper punishment for foul play, United had to play 10 against 11 (instead
of 11 against 10) and duly lost 2-1.
40 Holders drop the FA Cup, 2000
Apparently encouraged by the FA to play in the inaugural Club World
Championship in Brazil, United withdrew from the FA Cup having won it the
previous season. They were criticised for showing a lack of respect to the
famous competition.
39 Barcelona blown away, 1984
After losing the first leg of their Cup Winners’ Cup quarter-final 2-0 in
Spain, United stormed back on a raucous night at Old Trafford to beat Diego
Maradona’s side 3-0, with two goals from Bryan Robson and one from Frank
Stapleton.
38 Docherty’s affair, 1977
Newspapers revealed that manager Tommy Docherty was having an affair with Mary
Brown, wife of United physio Laurie, so United, embarrassed by the scandal,
sacked him.
37 Giggs’ weaving run, 1999
United were a man down in extra-time of their FA Cup semi-final replay against
Arsenal when Ryan Giggs intercepted Patrick Vieira’s pass on the halfway
line and swayed around several challenges before blasting the winner and
baring his chest. The goal gave United the belief that they could achieve
the treble.
36 Comeback at Anfield, 1988
The league table showed United were inferior to Liverpool throughout the 1980s
yet they raised their game when up against their bitter rivals. Facing one
of the great Liverpool sides, they fell 3-1 behind but, with ten men,
recovered to draw 3-3, extending their league record against the
Merseysiders to one defeat in 17 games. Gordon Strachan celebrated his
equaliser provocatively, pretending to smoke a cigar
35 Kung-fu fighting, 1995
Eric Cantona had a unique way of dealing with life’s problems so, when a
spectator abused him at Selhurst Park in the match against Crystal Palace,
he launched his feet into the man’s chest and was banned for eight months.
34 Agonising collapse, 1992
Nerves and a congested fixture list foiled United’s pursuit of a first league
title for 25 years. Defeats in late April at home to Nottingham Forest and
away to West Ham United and a draw away to Luton Town, all in the space of
five days, left Leeds United in pole position. The failure only added to the
sense of exhilaration when the holy grail was finally reached a year later.
33 BSkyB’s failed takeover, 1998
Fourteen years after Robert Maxwell proved unable to take control of United,
Rupert Murdoch tried his luck and seemed to have got his way when the club
recommended that shareholders accept BSkyB’s offer. But, after the deal had
been referred to the Monopolies and Mergers Commission, the Department of
Trade and Industry blocked it.
32 Robson signs, 1981
Ron Atkinson described Robson as “pure gold” when signing the England midfield
player from West Bromwich Albion and the player repaid the compliment by
helping to ensure United finished in the top four throughout the manager’s
five-year reign.
31 Fergie gives Beckham the boot, 2003
Angered by David Beckham’s supposedly failure to mark an opponent when Arsenal
scored in their FA Cup win at Old Trafford, Sir Alex Ferguson kicked a boot
that flew at David Beckham, scarring his forehead. It symbolised the
manager’s frustration at the celebrity circus surrounding the player and
Beckham was sold at the end of the season.
30 United turn on Wembley style, 1948
In what was considered one of the great FA Cup Finals, United beat Blackpool
4-2 to help create their reputation for stylish football that remains today.
29 Nike deal, 2002
The sportswear company agreed to give United £300million over the next 13
years, cementing their position as England’s richest club.
28 Giggs swaps sides, 1988
Ryan Giggs played at Manchester City as a schoolboy but he was poached by
United, who have been repaid with 15 years of flair, consistency and
success.
27 Saints Day, 1976
United reached their first FA Cup Final in 13 years in 1976 when they met
Southampton. While the game ended in a surprising defeat, it established
United’s habit of reaching this fixture – five times in ten years from 1976
to 1985 – just as the game was being shown around the world in more and more
countries on television, thereby increasing their worldwide following.
26 United almost third rate, 1934
Only a last-day win away to Millwall saved United from relegation to the third
tier. Such was their lowly status in the 1930s that just 3,900 watched the
match against Middlesbrough in 1931.
25 Fergie’s U-turn, 2002
Sir Alex Ferguson had announced that he would retire at the end of the 2001-02
season and the campaign started badly. The manager decided he couldn’t get
let go, though, and stayed to engineer further league titles in 2003 and
2007.
24 United raid City, 1906
Manchester City were forced to sell a raft of players after making illegal
payments, while Billy Meredith also had to leave them for allegedly bribing
an Aston Villa player. An auction was planned where all clubs could attempt
to buy them but United courted and signed four in advance in secret,
including Meredith, angering their rivals. The new players helped United win
their first trophies, the league titles of 1908 and 1911 and the FA Cup of
1909.
23 Denis Law arrives, 1962
The Scotland striker was signed from Torino and became European Footballer of
the Year in 1964 and a cult hero at Old Trafford.
22 Busby steps down, 1969
Sir Matt Busby had built up Manchester United almost single-handedly so the
decision to maintain his enormous presence in the background, as general
manager, seemed to hamper Wilf McGuiness, his successor. A decline set in.
21 Title collapse, 1986
United had begun the season in scintillating style with ten successive
victories and seemed likely to end their long search for the league title.
But their challenge gradually fell apart and they lost the lead in February
on a weekend when they were beaten by West Ham United at Upton Park.
20 Old Trafford is bombed, 1939-1945
The war-time damage inflicted on Old Trafford forced United to play at
Manchester City’s Maine Road ground until 1949. It reinforced the feeling
that the club had to start again from scratch having not won a trophy since
1911, and they did so to great effect.
19 Cantona signs, 1992
Almost as an after thought, Sir Alex Ferguson asked Leeds United if he might
be allowed to have Eric Cantona and he was granted his wish for just £1
million. The France forward inspired four league titles in his five seasons
at the club and galvanised the young players with his diligent training.
18 Relegation, 1974
The shock of demotion six years after conquering Europe shook up the club.
Tommy Docherty built an exciting team that attracted the highest average
attendances in the country despite playing in the second tier and they
stormed back to the top flight.
17 Old Trafford expands, 2006
The increase in capacity to 76,000 meant the stadium held 16,000 more seats
than any other English club.
16 Robins keeps Fergie bobbing along, 1990
Sir Alex Ferguson was thought to be close to the sack but Mark Robins scored
the only goal in the FA Cup third round tie away to Nottingham Forest and
United went on to win the manager’s first trophy, buying him time that he
put to good use.
15 Fergie’s Jimmy Hill outburst, 1994
After television highlighted a foul by Eric Cantona in United’s FA Cup victory
away to Norwich City, Sir Alex Ferguson showed he had little time for
perceived unfair media criticism, accusing the BBC’s football panel of being
Liverpool fans and announcing that “Jimmy Hill is a prat” – a line that was
repeated in front-page headlines the following day.
14 League title, 1952
In the season when the phrase “Busby Babes” was first mentioned, United won
their first league championship under Sir Matt Busby.
13 Keane joins United, 1993
Roy Keane had told Blackburn Rovers he would sign for them from Nottingham
Forest but United intervened and the Irishman changed his mind. He was their
driving force from midfield for 12 years.
12 American nightmare, 2005
A club with no debt was plunged deeply into the red via the takeover by
Malcolm Glazer and his family. Many United fans were so aghast that they
formed their own club, FC United.
11 Perfect ten, 1956
United shrugged off the opposition of English football authorities to become
European pioneers. They won their first home match 10-0 against Anderlecht.
10 Entertainment, please, 1981
Jose Mourinho’s recent dismissal by Chelsea was far from the first case of a
manager losing his job because his team’s football was too dull. Dave Sexton
had just finished the season with seven successive league wins but he was
ditched in favour of the extrovert Ron Atkinson, who brought a flamboyancy
to United’s play.
9 George Best emerges, 1963
The swaggering Northern Irishman is widely considered to have been the
greatest British player and his presence helped swell interest in United
during the 1960s.
8 Keane’s prawn sandwich blast, 2000
Roy Keane was so angered by the criticism from the corporate areas of Old
Trafford during the Champions League match against Dynamo Kiev that he
dismissed their occupants as prawn sandwich eaters who had little knowledge
of the game.
7 Bruce’s header, 1993
United had trailed at home to Sheffield Wednesday until late in the game in
the league run-in but, after conjuring up the equaliser, Steve Bruce added
the winning goal deep into stoppage time to leave Brian Kidd, the assistant
manager, on his knees on the pitch in delight and United ahead of Aston
Villa in the table. Three weeks later they wrapped up their first league
title in 26 years.
6 Bobby Charlton’s debut, 1956
As perhaps the most famous English player of all time, his presence in the
team for 17 years helped to make United famous around the world.
5 The Nou Camp, 1999
United’s first European Cup for 31 years and the first such League-FA
Cup-European Cup treble by an English team were achieved through two goals
in stoppage time against Bayern Munich in the final.
4 European champions at last, 1968
Ten years after the destruction in a plane crash of the United team that had
seemed destined to win the European Cup, Sir Matt Busby guided a rebuilt
side to glory against Benfica on an emotional night at Wembley.
3 Fergie’s appointment, 1986
Sir Alex Ferguson became manager, kicked out the drinkers, overhauled the
youth system and achieved his stated aim of knocking Liverpool off their
perch.
2 Munich air crash, 1958
Eight United players were killed when their plane crashed in Munich after a
refuelling stop on the return from a European Cup tie in Belgrade. The
wiping out of the standard bearers of English football brought world-wide
sympathy for the club and fired imaginations as to what they might have
achieved.
1 Busby’s arrival, 1945
United were just another medium-sized club when Sir Matt Busby became manager
after the war and he, more than anyone, was responsible for turning them
into giants of the world game, building three great teams and laying down a
philosophy of attacking football.
Born and bred Mancunian a life long united fan. Yes i go and to all you Stretford Enders. THIS SEASON LETS STAND UP AND SING LIKE WE MEAN IT!!!!!!!!!!
C, Mannchester, UK
Defining influences of Man Utd in the progress of Football ?
51. Leaders of the breakaway Premier League, which abandoned the inclusive structure of the game, to grab all the BSkyB revenue for themselves, thus condemning the 72 clubs outside the PL to a hand-to-mouth existence.
52. Their pre-eminent role in paying inflated transfer fees and huge wages in the 90's that led to the wage spiral that has now handicapped all professional clubs over the last 10 years.
53. The first club to have a player sent off in the FA Cup Final - Kevin Moran against Everton in 1985.
And,lastly, to clarify #42 .... Michael Knighton's financial backer in 1989 was Owen Oyston who had the £10 mill to buy the club cheaply from naive Martin Edwards, but could not dispose of Blackpool FC quickly enough and had to pull out. Rules say you cannot own more than one league club, due to the risk of corruption.
Lucky for Edwards, very lucky for ManU fans, but definitely bad luck for Blackpool fans.
A.Kirk, Manchester,
All this "Not from Manchester" stuff is rubbish.
Not being from Manchester doesn't mean your support/passion/whatever you wanna call it for the club is any less than the guy born next door to OT.
I'm a season ticket holder and have travelled 400miles round trip to watch United week in week out. Am I any less of a supporter? It's just jealousy at the end of the day.
If the biggest complaint you've got about us is that we've got a big fan base then boohoo. Sorry the fan base is big!
And for the Liverpool fan banging on about Europe - It's easy to be good in Europe when you're out of everything else by February.
Si, Stevenage,
Had this article been about Manchester City I seriously doubt the commenters referring to just "City" would be jumped upon. It's not like they're using "United" out of context here!
As for local support - Check your facts and figures rather than relying on common ABU fallacies. United have more supporters in Manchester than City. Fact. And the team with the largest match going out of town support? That would be Liverpool.
Mike Farren, Manchester, England
It's telling that the liverpool and leeds '50s' provide so much more for the neutral like myself.
For all their flaws, these clubs come across as genuinly significant sporting and cultural symbols, inseperable from those that created and supported them. Manchester United's entry might as well be their page on wikipedia.
John, Barcelona, Catalonia
Interesting list, particularly when taken in context of it's aim - to identify what made the club it is today". Consequently I would dismiss several - e.g. Keane's Prawn Sandwich rant - which are more outcomes rather than causes.
There are many off-pitch defining moments, but (and here I speak as a life-long United fan who doesn't come from Manchester, but used to go to OT regularly) I was once told that United became "unpopular" in the 60s. I the opinion of a Spurs fan, it was because the media hyped United for their beautiful football, but never focussed on the "dirtiness" of Crerand, Stiles and others. Hence, there was a trend back then to dislike United because of media favouritism.
It would have been nice to see this list concentrate wholly on on-field moments, but United are (unfortunately) much more than a football club, and so the money has to be part of it. I would tho, have liked to have seen the creation of Man United and the move to Old Trafford.
Bert'sDad, Suffolk,
I hope you put the carpet back down after you uncovered number 46 and some of the other numbers which had been swept under there over the years. Maybe number 47 could have been the brown paper envelope in the Old Trafford safe, which was of course just waiting to be handed in to the local constabulary...... honest.
Windy Miller, Camberwick Green, Trumptonshire
MU will go down sooner or later, they may win the league title but they had never ever conquer europe like the anfield boys did, past and present.
MU = its fair enough to say they're one of the best football team in england, but definitely they're not best in europe, because they didnt win it 5 times like liverpool did
tito, Jakarta, Indonesia
Bambi
People refer to 'United' in the same way as they refer to 'the FA' and the RFU' - no big deal.
ABU stands for 'Anyone But United' - its a well-known phrase to describe those whose appear to despise anything that is good that happens to be associated with United, which is, by the way TGCITW - The Greatest Club In The World.
Sergei, Penza Region, Russia,
A messure of what a great club they are, this message board is peppered with jealousy and the same old 'all United fans, sorry Manchester United fans, are not from Manchester garbage. And all this from people from outside the city. Jealousy is an ugle emotion ladies. Granted Liverpool have got a greater trophy count but that, like this list, is history and so what's happening now is important and as far as trophies go we have the chamoionship.
Tony, Salford, Manchester
I've only just come across this - having initially been pointed in the direction of the recent one on Liverpool. The difference between the two is telling. I make it 8 of United's 50 are to do with money rather than football (signing a kit deal at 29!) which speaks volumes for the club. Did Tony Evans include Liverpool signing England's first shirt sponsorship deal with Hitachi? No - because it's nothing to do with football. By comparison with a lot of other English clubs, United clearly have a fair bit of history and romance about them - but as with the number of trophies, they are not in the same league as Liverpool.
Paul F, Liverpool,
i'd say over 40,000 against birmingham is a tad more than half full, also shouldn't one of the others be " forcing season ticket holders to pay for cup games upfront"
mike, Burnley, Lancs
Ah, finally some people from Manchester! Take your time lads...
Old Trafford is sold out every game, but mainly with people NOT from the area. Every football fan knows that. I've personally no idea why Eastlands is only ever half full, it shouldn't be with the sort of football they're playing. Maybe the ticket prices are too high? That wouldn't surprise me.
Er, a "population of four million clamouring for tickets"?
Since when did Manchester have a population of four million? I think you'll find it closer to about four hundred thousand.
Man Utd may well be the biggest United in the world, we can all agree on that, but they're NOT the only United in the world. It's disrespectful for everyone to only refer to them as 'United'. What if I was to say "I'm going to the City match next week." Which City? There's nearly twenty of them in the league, and a similar amount of Uniteds.
PS, 'Izzy', I have absolutely no idea what an "ABU" is. Please let me know, I'm genuinely intrigued!
Bambi, Leeds, England
Keane’s prawn sandwich blast, 2000
I was at this game, against Dynamo Kiev, Keane was angry but possibly more with his own performance than corporate sponsors. His performance on that evening was well below his standards. It probably isn't so but it seemed he passed more to the opposition than to his team-mates. The overall team performance was flat and the spectators reacted accordingly. I quiet, not because my mouth was stuffed with prawn sandwich but because there was nothing to shout about.
Phil Constable, Jakarta, Indonesia
If most of Manchester is blue then why even when they are 3rd in the league and playing good football do they still have half a stadium full? Whereas United sell out 76,000 every week. It's a myth that all the ABUs like to believe to comfort themselves.
Izzy, Manchester,
To: Steve K, Newcastle:
"having more supporters in South Korea than in Manchester" - The population of S.Korea, is slightly larger than that of Manchester. You expect some of them to watch Newcastle?!!!
"disdainfully refusing to recognise, along with their supporters in the media, that other clubs exist who are also called 'United'" - If there was another club big enough to challege this situation maybe it would change, the fact is, UNITED are the biggest by far. I suggest you have a go at your own club to get better, rather than show those green features.
Chris, Manchester, Mancunia
Yes Bambi from Leeds. Manchester must be a Blue city. With a population of 4 million clamouring for tickets at COMS. Its no wonder they sell out every home game.
Hang on. City dont sell out though do they ?
andy, stretford,
I notice through all these comments so far, that there's not a single poster actually from Manchester. The closest I've seen is Liverpool, which is slightly confusing!
Is this a reflection on how well supported Man Utd are? Or is it a reflection of how many people in Manchester don't support United, but City?
Bambi, Leeds, England
Surely a possible 51) having more supporters in South Korea than in Manchester and 52) disdainfully refusing to recognise, along with their supporters in the media, that other clubs exist who are also called 'United' are also elements which contribute towards the "soul" of Manchester United?
Just a suggestion.
Steve K, Newcastle, England
What about the 3-2 victory in Turin in '99? Juve' were regarded as the best side in Europe in the mid to late 90s and to win in Turin after a 1-1 draw in the home leg, and then after being 2-0 down in the second was amazing. Least we forget, it was much rarer back then for an English side to come back from Europe with a good result. To me, the 3-2 win was the defining moment of their season and probably the best result they had all year.
Also, I feel that their 2007 league win deserves more credit. The ones in the late 90s were expected as they were completely dominant then. However, last year after being written off by most (including myself) they proved everyone wrong, at a time when instead of having no real challengers they had to compete with Chelski's millions, Wengers Arsenal and Liverpool. I personally feel that after 1993, the 2007 league title is their most important. Only 2 years ago, Man U seemed way behind Chelsea and Arsenal. How times changed.
Chris W, Lewisham, London
Derby County had it's own TV station well before United.
Andrew Warwick, NYC,
So are Charlton, Best, Cantona, Keane, Law, Giggs, Robson & Rooney's signing as definitive ones - not Duncan Edwards,Tommy Taylor nor Schmeichel? Rooney is put too early in the list and hasn't achieved as much as Ronaldo as yet. Then there is the case of Henry Davies & the St.Bernard dog. These r 2-events have been mentioned previously by other readers. But most shockingly there is no mention of the ManUtd's success with FA Youth Cup in 1950's which produed a string of brilliant players and helped transform football in England; nor of the 1992 squad with Neville's,Scholes,Butt,Becks et al. Secondly, another omission is that of Ernst Magnall - the only manager to have managed both red & blue half of Manchester and for that famous back-line of Roberts-Bell-Duckworth. Third is the 3-3 draw at Bernabeu in 1968 which enabled ManUtd to reach the 1968 final. Also wish to thank Bill Edgar for some real insights like the sacking of Dave Sexton after 7-wins.
Srinivas J.Rao, Bangalore, India/Karnataka
How about when "Major" the dog wandered off and led Newton Heath to JW Davies who then saved the club from bankrupcy and put in the money that brought the first period of success. It was in 1902, a quarter of a century AFTER the club was formed, yet somehow it is nothing compared to something an angry man once said? Stuff Keane and his book and put in something with more substance.
charbel, houston,
A prawn sandwich ahead of George Best? Get real!
Chris, Liverpool, England
What about Manchester United's first double in 1994. And subsequently Alan Hansen's memorable " You will never win anything with the kids"..... and Man U proved him wrong!"
A good list - but not sure if I agree with the order of some of the events!
anj chelvaraj, egham, UK
If they have Rooneys signing on the list should´nt Ronaldos signing be on the list? If you look at what they´ve done on the pitch Ronaldo has been slightly better.
Omid, Lund, Sweden
Where are David Beckham and Mark Hughes. Two of Uniteds greatest. Hughes goal vs Barca 1991. Becks goal from the half line 1995.
Arup Das, New Delhi, India
Abz of Birmingham refers to Liverpool's "illustrious" history compared to United's "chequered" one. Grow up Abz. United had a great team in the late 1940s, a wonderful side cruelly lost in the late 1950s, a great team in the 1960s (Best, Law and Charlton), a decent side in the 1980s, and several great teams since the FA Cup win in 1990. Liverpool first emerged in the mid 1960s, were dominant form the early 1970s to 1990 and thereafter pretty ordinary.
Phil Daniels, Newcastle upon Tyne,
Surely, the 1995-96 season has to feature somewhere in a list such as this? The team slowly but surely eroded Newcastle's imposing 12-point lead then Sir Alex reduced Kevin Keegan to his "LOVE IT!" rant with a cunning display of mind games. The result? Yet another title!
Tosin Aro, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
How about Schmeichel? The game vs Newcastle in February 1996 illustrates the giant he was. I think he had a galvanizing effect on United's success, more so than Cantona.
Fouad, Pflugerville, TX
So are we going to have top 50 Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea moments too? If anything Liverpool have a dozen more 'moments' than United, given their conquering and illustrious history as opposed to United's chequered one.
Seems like merchandising and mass marketing has won over even the seemingly intelligent reporters.
Abz, Birmingham, West Midlands
I think that one of the most significant events in the success of United was the signing of Peter Schmeichel. The man was an absolute inspiration on the field due to the countless games he saved because of his brilliance between the sticks.
Steve Jamieson, Basingstoke, UK
What about Norman Whitside who scored the winning goal in the 1985 FA Cup final, curling a shot in from the right hand side in the 20th minute of extra time, to give ten man United victory over Everton. What a day.!
Hamid, Tehran, Iran
If Giggs' one minute of magic against Arsenal is up there, how about Keano's 90 minutes against Juventus in Turin? Surely the defining game of the Treble season, more than the Arsenal game and arguable more than the final itself.
Simon, London,
How on earth can Keano's prawn sandwich outburst be rated higher than the emergence of George Best?
Chris, Lowestoft, Suffolk
I think Giggs' wonder-goal deserves more recognition than its lowly place at number 37 on your list. Look at it in context. After Anelka's disallowed goal, Keane's sending-off and Schmeichel's save from Bergkamp, it was, along with that evening in the Nou Camp, the defining moment of United's most succesful season. Combine this with the individual bravado to take it round the entire Arsenal defence, and number 37 looks very modest to say the least.
Alexander Green, Oxford,
Wonder where Bruce's double against Sheffield Wednesday will end up in the top 25 :-).
Martin van der Vorst, Helmond, Netherlands
I love lists, I would put the agonizing collapse of 1992 in my top ten but I agree that it made the next year all the more special, for me wining the title the next year is number 2. Kevin Moran is top ten as is Keane, actually he should be on the list a few times.
conor, Bronx, NY