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European football officials yesterday declared a state of emergency over the rising wave of clashes between police and English supporters in Italy and Spain.
Uefa, European football’s governing body, said that cultural differences between police and fans meant the sport was in danger of returning to the 1980s, when violence was endemic. It announced that it was to launch formal investigations into events in Rome and Seville where British fans claimed they were subject to violent attacks by police officers.
Yesterday John Reid, the Home Secretary, and Richard Caborn, the Sports Minister, expressed serious concern at the treatment of supporters of Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur by police in Rome and Seville respectively.
The two clubs have issued strongly-worded statements condemning heavy handed tactics of riot police, with supporters of both clubs complaining of unprovoked attacks and indiscriminate beatings.
However a defiant Rome chief of police showed reporters seven minutes of CCTV footage which he said proved “beyond doubt” that “drunken and aggressive” Manchester United fans were to blame.
William Gaillard, Uefa’s director of communications, told The Times that the problem was not confined to Britain.
“This is not just a problem involving supporters of British clubs and we acknowledge that. Everyone recognises that something has to be done because this is a mortal threat to the sport. We have seen incidents not just in Spain and Italy but also in France and Holland and Germany. It is a very complicated issue, but we are in an emergency situation here.
“In some ways it is worse than in the 1980s. At that time the violence was maybe a spontaneous thing, where people would drink and then horrible things would happen. Now it seems there is organised violence.”
Mr Gaillard appeared to have some sympathy with fans of the English clubs, who have complained of overzealous tactics by the police in Rome on Wednesday evening and Seville 24 hours later.
“I feel this is, let us say, a cultural problem between northern Europe and southern Europe,” he said. “The British supporters are not accustomed to police reacting in this manner and vice versa. It creates a difficult atmosphere and this is something we must look at.”
Mr Reid said that he was eager to study reports from the police as well as from the football authorities and British consuls in Italy and Spain: “I think that anyone who saw some of these incidents would at least have questions to ask about how they were handled and we have asked those questions.”
Mr Caborn, who saw footage of the incidents on television while on holiday in Cyprus, said: “I would like to wait until I see a full report from Uefa. However, they were terrible scenes and, from television, it looked as if there has been some excessive force from the police.” He added: “If you treat people like animals, they will behave like animals.”
But Achille Serra, Rome’s chief of police, said that the footage, for which he provided a minute-by-minute commentary, showed English supporters smashing seats and throwing objects at officers.
“The British tabloids have used this bloodied face as a symbol of our alleged brutality, but here you can quite clearly see he is the one inciting his friends to violence,” Mr Serra said.
He said that 300 United supporters had “rampaged” through the streets, vandalising bars, throwing bottles and fighting AS Roma fans. “On both sides there is a category of violent imbeciles who use knives,” he said. “But these episodes always happen here with the English, never with the Spanish, the French, or the Germans.”
Chief Superintendent Simon O’Brien, Borough Commander of Haringey police, who attended the match in Seville as an observer, said: “It was quite clear that there was a different level of police intervention to that which we employ in the UK. The introduction of the police in one particular section of the crowd undoubtedly contributed to the disturbances.”
John Alexander, Tottenham’s club secretary, issued a statement condeming the police in Seville for an unprovoked attack. “We have been distressed to hear about incidents involving our supporters at a time when they were showing no aggression whatsoever and also in respect of our disabled supporters being set upon by the Spanish riot police,” Mr Alexander said. “We need to understand how we are in a position whereby we have two clearly identifiable Spurs stewards assaulted by the Spanish police, along with our disability coordinator being injured too.”
Daniel Wynne, of the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust, said: “The television pictures are of seats being thrown, but that was 15 minutes after an unprovoked attack by police.”
Seven Tottenham supporters were arrested on Thursday evening and due to appear in court in Seville yesterday. Reports in Seville said that 11 Spanish police officers were injured and one taken to hospital.
Faustino Valdes, the Spanish Government’s representative in Andalucia, said: “It was an incident surrounding a few people who behaved badly, probably because they had drunk too much.”
Those claims upset Tottenham, just as United were aggrieved by the comments from Mr Serra, who reiterated his belief that Italian police had been justified in issuing beatings that, along with an ambush by AS Roma fans before the game, left 18 United supporters injured. “These are high-risk games and if we find there has been any excess [from the police], action will certainly be taken,” Mr Serra said. “But at the moment it does not seem to me that the police acted in an incorrect manner.”
Italian reaction
“ I’ve never seen anything like it — the Manchester fans were like wild
beasts”
Anonymous policeman quoted in Il Messaggero
“Fans beaten, London versus Italy”
Corriere della Sera
“London on the offensive”
Il Messaggero
“No self-criticism from the British clubs or fans, of course. It is all the
fault of the Italian and Spanish police, apparently”
RAI television
“My men were forced to intervene to avoid a collision between the two violent
groups from both teams, a collision which would have been really hard to
handle . . . My officers couldn’t escape at this point. They were completely
surrounded”
Achille Serra, Rome chief of police
“If people are criticising the security forces . . . I was at the stadium and
I saw no negative behaviour. Certainly when you are facing facts of this
nature you cannot hand out flowers, that much is clear”
Achille Serra
“Police must behave in the same manner, whether in Italy or abroad. Police
must have reacted to something the fans did, otherwise they wouldn’t have
intervened”
Romeo Capelli, the Union of Roma Fans
“The English press speak of heavy-handed police? We owe gratitude to our law
enforcers and I don’t believe those who try to make games safe can be
crucified in this manner”
Giancarlo Abete, president of the Italian Football Federation
“Uefa has opened an investigation and is gathering evidence and will be
studying the official reports of the referee, delegate and security officer
in detail before announcing any further action”
Uefa statement
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I attended the Roma v Boro tie in 2006 and was appalled by the behaviour of the Roma supporters and Police,i did not see one incident of aggression from the Boro fans amd when we scored the Roma fans ran at the perspex screen the reaction from the STEWARDS no Police was slow approximately 30 seconds and in that time the Roma fans were allowed to throw battles and other objects then requested by the stewards to retreat from the screen.
After the match we were held in the stadium for 90 minutes then herded into buses and taken to a park with very few taxis and no public transport. I visited Italy three times in 2006 for a wedding and a week in Rome and had a fantastic time,unfortunately i would never go to a football match in Rome again. The Rome police are both cowardly and a disgrace to the Italian people and UEFA should be ashamed at rewarding the city with the 2009 Champions League Final,
kevin, middlesbrough, uk
It is really sad to see adults blaming the police for their actions. Clearly the police may have acted heavy handedly but justifibly so. A bunch of drunken violent thugs was about to come into contact with another bunch of non drunk but still violent thugs. It was clear that to avoid worse trouble the police had to intervene. Whilst the romans were contained by the stewards (so no need of police) the ManU fans broke through and threatened police and other fans. I really think football fans should NOT drink if they want to be respected in Europe. Unfortunately there is always going to be a violent few in every team in every country but at least the vast majority is respectable. Stop getting drunk and maybe people will start treating you with respect.
Barbara, London, UK
Why do you, european act like embelsiles and idiots at soccer games the English or famous for it as well as the Italians it just a game nothing like that happens here in our professional sports leagues in America, its mainly the players themselves that get into trouble.
Carlos , Washington, DC, USA
The football federations are respectively English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish from these islands. There are no British fans. Those who are involved in incidents are English, not British. Please desist from making this perpetual mistake. Celtic Fans are never involved in these incidents. And they are most certainly not British.
David, LARKHALL, SCOTLAND
Something must be clear...english supporters in England..does not trouble anybody...but as soon as they leave their country and go abroad...they become
aggressive...probably because they are not the same people...but only hoolingans...and probably because they drink to much.
what happen in Rome dipends by this items :
- the dead od inspector Raciti in Catania.
- the new law issued by Italian Government.
- the well known situation that Police is always wrong.
- many English that arrived at the stadium without ticktes and drunk.
- many violent people...between english and italians.
Giancarlo Marroni, Rome, Italy
Seems to me (and perhaps I remember incorrectly) that the situation in the 80's was solved for a good many years when English clubs were banned from playing on the Continent until the hooligans stopped their violent ways.
Sounds like time for a little discipline, now, doesn't it?
Jim H., Encino, California
I was walking in the streets of the centre of rome 3-4 hours before the match and groups of 10-15 drunken manchester supporters were having their best time insulting and threatening common people in the streets. i am not a fan of policemen but i think they just did what they had to do.
Giovanni, Rome, Italy
It is Southern Europe that is the problem here, and particularly Italy. Or have we all forgotten the dead police officer in Siciliy earlier this year? Fact is they suffer from continuous football violence in the Mediterranean, and particularly Italy, and I would say that is a clear indicator of a failed policy.
Northern Europe is much more advanced in that sense. Thousands of Liverpool fans travelled to Eindhoven on Tuesday: but NOTHING HAPPENED.
Erik, The Hague, Netherlands
For many, many years, wherever British supporters go, there is trouble. Is it really a coincidence that both at Rome and Seville the police felt they had to act in the way they did? Let us stop this nonsense of "cultural differences" between Northern and Southern Europe. If British police were faced with 4,000 Italian or Spanish supporters misbehaving in London or Manchester, they would not stay idle, would they?
Peter, London,
Some British fans are a disgrace. If they are to travel abroad to "support" their teams they need to learn respect for themselves as representatives abroad, and respect for the country and culture they visit. The first thing British "fans" do, on setting foot abroad, is to drink excessively which affects their behaviour. As a Brit living near Seville I know that the Spanish don´t drink to excess. They drink and eat at the same time, and adult men will be with their families, and very proud to be so. Disrespectful behaviour is rarely seen. The "fans" that visited Seville, visited during Holy Week. They could have made their visit into a mini-break, and after the match attended one of the numerous processions held in Seville. It may have made them feel a little more humble, and focus on something other than drink. Isn´t it time for adults to take responsibility for themselves and their families, and to revert to basic human values starting with respect.
Catherine Groome, Alameda,
William Gaillard, Uefas director of communications, told The Times that the problem was not confined to Britain.
This is not just a problem involving supporters of British clubs and we acknowledge that. Everyone recognises that something has to be done
william gaillard..how dare you say 'something has to be done'..you are in a position of authority...what are YOU doing?
thomas, london, UK
I find it incredible that the accessibility of alcohol (or otherwise) has been forced to the centre of the debate by both the Italian authorities and ignorant observers in Britain. Unprovoked attacks by heavily armed police will result in retaliation whether fans have been drinking or not. The actions of the Carabieneri and the officials in Rome were systematic and deliberate: Condemning Manchester Unitedâs official security advice prior to the game; maintaining a presence only in the travelling support section of the stadium; taking no action whatsoever against home supporters throwing missiles across the stadium; and policing none of the renowned Ultras hotspots that predictably witnessed numerous knife attacks. As someone that attended Wednesdayâs game I feel incredibly let down by the FA, whom seem never to have the presence of mind or courage to speak out against the gross mismanagement of games in European competitions.
John, Valencia,
The last World Cup clearly demonstrated how to police the fans of many nations with generally great success. Oversea fans seem to be able to visit British clubs involved in UEFA competitions quite safely.
It is really up to UEFA and local police forces to realise that there are successful, current proven examples on how to control football crowds.
It is time for the hand wringing to stop and for UEFA to show leadership
Stuart, Yeovil,
Excuse my naivety but wouldn't it be easier just to ban all visiting fans from European games? Surely 99% of fans wouldn't travel if they knew that they couldn't get tickets for the match.
Howard Parkinson, Perth, Australia
It is very frustrating to see how this country fails to make any progress across the decades. Same disgusting, drunken behaviour ludicrously defended by the media. Same hopeless education system producing ignorant hooligans. Same hands-off treatment of loud-mouthed louts, naturally encouraging their behaviour. Then we moan when other countries don't accept it.
Mike Evans, Midsomer Norton, UK
English fans are treated based on what happened in the 70s and 80s. Hooliganism within the UK has been virtually wiped out recently, mainly by intelligent policing that aims to stop ugly confrontations before they occur.
I went to Milan to watch my team Ipswich a few years ago and we were continually caged like animals, with the police having some serious looking rifles on display - Ipswich fans, not known for bad behaviour, must obviously have created a reputaion somehow with the Italian police! This behaviour just incites the anger in fans.
I am glad to see that Mr Gailard is starting to realise that the problems don't always stem from the UK. Look at recent events in Italy, and the continual racism in the Southern European states. Where do the real problems lie? There will always be a small minority of hooligans in the UK, as in other countries, but we have found a way to deal with it - and it is certainly not with antagonisation and indiscriminate use of violent force.
Shaun Gibbs, Sydney, Australia
The Italian & Spanish police should issue codes of conduct and these should be distributed to all visiting supporters who should also be accompanied by their own stewards.
Paul, Geilo,
Sad to see that the English disease has broken out again. Rangers fans (ra peepil, by ra way) are nothing but wannabe Engerlund fans anyway. It's no surprise they are involved.
DC, Texas, USA
The head of Rome's police showed cctv footage of the
English side of the fence,they completely ignored what was going on in the Italian fans side.Of course the head of Police will support his men,the problem is that certain elements in the italian police force have it in for British football fans,they the police are very violent,they have in the past been critisized by italian jounalists.
last months murder of an Italian officer in Sicily after a football match proves my point,they batton charged the
italian fans,taking their frustration out on them.
This goes to show a lack of discipline in the ranks.
Also hitting a man when he is down,which was in the cctv footage,for me is cowardice.
David Nigel Braham, Milan, Italy
Every shaven British skull cracked by a European baton is a small blow for civilisation. One day perhaps the British will be fit to be allowed into Europe without having to be herded like the animals they are.
eric, harrogate, uk
Rangers fans were also attacked by police in Pamplona in the last round but the home secretary declined to comment on the matter. The fact that he is a rabid supporter of Celtic may be connected to this selective perception.
Gray, Ugchelen,
Please try to remember that Irish and Scots fans didn't give any reason to police to be violent. It was in Rome, again, not many weeks ago... Of course it was rugby, non football... But I remember also the Scots supporters at Milan-Celtic Glasgow: just marvelous people.
alberto, Miano, Italy
I think Mr Dixon and LouNev should do some homework. Italian football has recently seen fans stabbed, throats slit and policemen lose their lives at games. In Holland they have this season had a club kicked out of European competition for their fans behaviour and violence in the domestic league remains a problem. So this problem does not only rear its head when English teams go abroad. Often we simply walk into the mess that is their stewarding/police tactics. It is far too easy to say it is the English fault just because in the 70s and 80s we had a bad reputation. People need to forget that just because the Spanish and Italian lifestyle suggests style and sophistication this is not the case. The Spanish national managers comments re Henry anyone? The monkey noises made to England players in the friendly international? Paolo Di Canio and Lazio's ultra right wing support? Like we were forced to accept our issues and change so must some other nations, we must stop being so aologetic..
R Goddard, London, London
May be there are different approaches between different police corps.
May be English cops are far more polite.
May be there were some communication problems (Italian riot cops are not required to speak a fluent english, ManU fans are not required to speak a fluent italian).
But, if the average ManU supporter is not able to understand that pushing a riot cop counter a barrier is the best possible way to gain a smash in the head, some doubt is allowed about the functioning of the head even before the smashing.
After, it's easy to say: "they hit me three or four times when I was laying on the ground!".
The problem is not to lay on the ground five seconds after, but to stand up in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing, five seconds before.
Andrea, Rome, Italy
The fact that English fans complain about the robust policing used on the continent is more of an inditement on the level of tolerance which loutish behaviour is accorded in the UK.
Dave Smith, London, England
Check out the video, LouNev. As one of our former Home Secretarys said this week, if our police had acted in the same manner as those in Rome, if officers had repeatedly beat people while they lay on the ground, blood pouring from their head (remember the 1992 Rodney King incident?), then in this country, we would have instituted an immediate inquiry and expected heads to roll. The Italian police were looking for trouble but only on the ManU side of the fence and instead of acting to prevent Roma fans hurling missiles over the partition, they waiting for the inevitable response from ManU fans and then waded in, indiscriminately using their batons like baseball bats!
Keith Downer, London, UK
Regardless of who started the violence, I don't know how you can justify scenes of Police hitting fans who are lying prostrate on the floor. Yes, they needed to calm the situation but this cannot be the way to do it.
Whilst I always love the contributions of idealistic Americans, this isn't a problem with the English, it's a problem with football supporters in general. I didn't see the Italians sitting watching the Mancunians riot. Oh wait, thats because both were behaving badly.
On a final note, I hope the Italians have a look at the footage of missiles being fired into the United crowd by the Roma fans BEFORE any trouble kicked off.
But wait, its the English fans fault......
Jen, Rossendale, Manchester,, UK
It's really irriating to be preached to by the Italians about the behaviour of our fans, particularly as they have such a bad problem in their league games and we do not.
The only answer, of course, is for there to be an all Premiership final, with no trouble.
Joe, Leeds,
The southern europeans being half moor have an inherent aggressive traits when feeling threatened
john, peterrborough, england
Whilst English supporters continue to behave like animals they shall continue to be treated as such, end of discussion.
John Dixon, London, UK
The point is, LouNev, that we've been 'seriously looking at ourselves' since the 1980s, and as a result it's been at least 15 years since we saw anything like these incidents at a football match in England, where attending Premiership and European matches is now as safe as being in church. Which is why the the British police shake their heads in disbelief at the sight of Italian riot police splitting people's heads open.
Jonathan Vause, Bournemouth, UK
One thing is clear in all these reprehensible incidents, the game in Lille, the game in Rome and now the game in Seville - what is the common thread? English "supporters".
While I will not cast aspersions anywhere, I believe the English need to take a serious look at themselves. It is getting rather tiresome of hearing Managers, the English media and "supporters" blaming everyone else while playing the innocents.
LouNev, MBeach, USA
Typical, blame the English supporters for starting it all citing them as alcoholic vandals. Perhaps the European authorities should look at the greater malaise which has been endemic within European football for decades and which has been completely overlooked i.e. the fact that continental supporters and authorities are far more violent then their British counter parts.
Not to mention more corrupt.
Joel, Blackpool,