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The inquest into the reduced state of English football continued yesterday, with Michel Platini, the Uefa president, and Slaven Bilic, the Croatia head coach, insistent that the increasing absence of English players at leading Barclays Premier League clubs made a bigger contribution to failure than poor management or lack of technique.
The opinions of Bilic, the first coach to defeat England home and away in a qualifying group and a veteran of English club football with West Ham United and Everton, carried particular clout. Bilic maintained that a look at the England Under21 team suggests that the problems at international level will survive the appointment of Steve McClaren’s successor.
“Before I did this job I was Croatia’s under21 manager and three of my best players, including Luka Modric and Vedran Corluka, moved up to the A team with me,” Bilic said. “Not just because they were good for the under21s - they were also playing for Dynamo Zagreb, one of the biggest teams in Croatia.
“They played in the Uefa Cup regularly, in big matches all the time. Your players do not do this, not every week, so they do not develop. You can say they are learning from Eric Cantona or Gianfranco Zola or Marcel Desailly or Slaven Bilic, but they are learning only in training, not on the pitch. Look at your England Under21 team – they don’t play.”
That distant tapping is the sound of a nail being hit on the head: of the 12 players used by Stuart Pearce in the most recent under21 match, against Portugal seven days ago, only five started a Premier League match at the weekend and only one played for a team affording similar experience to Zagreb. The rundown makes troubling reading.
Joe Hart an unused substitute for Manchester City.
Craig Gardner came on as a substitute for Aston Villa with 11 minutes remaining and his team 3-0 up away to Middlesbrough. It was his first Villa appearance since October 20.
Joe Mattock played 90 minutes for Leicester City in the Coca-Cola Championship.
Lee Cattermole lasted 53 minutes for Middlesbrough.
Steven Taylor did not play for Newcastle United.
Michael Mancienne played 90 minutes for Queens Park Rangers in the Championship, on loan from Chelsea.
David Wheater played 90 minutes for Middlesbrough.
James Milner came on as a substitute after 59 minutes for Newcastle.
Tom Huddlestone has not featured in a game for Tottenham Hotspur since October 28.
Adam Johnson played 90 minutes for Middlesbrough, his first match back after a loan spell at Watford in the Championship.
Fabrice Muamba played 90 minutes for Birmingham City.
Theo Walcott started for Arsenal against Wigan Athletic because Robin van Persie and Alexander Hleb were injured.
Not pretty, is it? Not too many to compare to Modric. “When I left West Ham United for Everton, Rio Ferdinand was begging me to stay,” Bilic said. “I said to him, ‘But if I stay, you will hardly play.’ When I left, sure enough he started to get in the team. Maybe he would have anyway because he was in a brilliant class, but there are many good English players, good prospects, good talent, not getting a chance in the Premier League.
“I read an article which took the winners of the Youth Cup at Arsenal from a few years ago and of that team only Justin Hoyte got a chance to play in the first team. Definitely there should be limits on foreign players. But that is the price you pay if you want the best league in the world.”
Platini was in agreement, coming dangerously close to saying that English football had traded its soul. “If you do not have so many players, what can you do?” he said. “When there are 95 registered Brazilian players in the Champions League, 94 French players and 45 Englishmen, then it is difficult. If you lose with the national team, that is the soul of the game.
“Football was based on what? Manchester United against Liverpool with the footballers from that region. A player like Robbie Fowler was from Liverpool, he grew up in that city, so it was fantastic. But now you don’t have the English players. At Arsenal now you don’t have an English coach, English players, maybe not an English president soon. So why are they playing in England?
“When I was with Juventus and we played against Arsenal you had 10 or 11 English players. OK, Europe is open now, but you need to take care. If you are Manchester United you need to have some players from Manchester. Football is beautiful and popularity brings money, but then people want to make more money, not because it is a game but because it is a product. I need to protect the game and say to people this is not a good way.
“My philosophy is to protect the identity of the clubs and the country. I like Arsène Wenger, I like Sir Alex Ferguson, I like their players and they do what is best for the clubs, but it is not my philosophy.”
Bilic is still smarting over the disrespect he believes was shown to his Croatia team by their presumptuous hosts at Wembley last week. “When we see words like ‘no player from the Croatia team would play for England’, that is simply not true,” he said. “You have to realise that football is played in the rest of Europe as well, on a high level. From the time we landed at Gatwick we did not feel we were important enough for you, the way we are important in Moscow, in Tel Aviv - or the way we regard you as important when you come to Zagreb. Definitely, there is not enough respect.”
It would appear to be a Jekyll and Hyde relationship that English football enjoys with the Continent; on one hand dismissing its players as ordinary, on the other cramming them into Premier League teams ahead of our own. In the circumstances, is it any surprise the national team have a split personality, too?
Gordon Smith, chief executive of the Scottish FA, is hoping to arrange a match
against England at Wembley in May. Smith discussed the idea with Brian
Barwick, his opposite number at the FA, on the way back from the World Cup
draw. A resurrected Home International tournament, including Ireland, is not
being considered, but Smith is hoping to arrange a one-off fixture. The FA
is reluctant to make a decision until a new head coach has been named.
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English players could use to learn something else playing abroad that both Hargreaves and Beckham seem to have... humility, appreciation and perspective. They seem far more worldly and mature than their teammates as a result of that external experience and bring that to the pitch when playing for their country.
Kendrick, The Pines,
It was interesting to read about the disrespect that England showed towards the Croatian team following England's defeat at Wembley, like 'no player from the Croatian team would play for England'! Funny to see where that comes from when England were defeated in Croatia and destroyed at 'the home of football' Wembley. I think it's fair to say that England are far from being one of the great teams of international football and they need to stop looking at the past and start concentrating on where they are failing, why and how they can rectify that. It's true that the Premier League is the most attractive championship on the planet, yet it is more of an international championship rather than a reflection on the prestige of the English game. I support Fabregas' views on English youngesters not taking the plunge to develop abroad. But I think this is a reflection on English culture whereby England culturally and historically has put themselves above the European or global community.
Paul, Geneva, Switzerland
The problem isn't the number of foreigners playing in England. It's the number of Englishmen playing in foreign countries - i.e. virtually none (Becks and formerly Hargreaves, who isn't even English). While a country like Brazil has players at the top levels in every major league in the world, the English suffer from an insular mentality (and inability to learn foreign languages) that prevents them from playing abroad.
English football evolves slowly and is behind the times because all of the English players play in the same league. If there were more young English players going abroad or more experienced players playing in top foreign leagues, then they would be exposed to more techniques. They don't learn foreign techniques from the foreigners in the Prem because those foreigners have already adapted themselves to the English game. English players need to go abroad so that they can learn other styles of play, evolve the stagnant and out-dated English style, and become more flexible.
Sepp, Toronto, Canada
Bilic for England! Isn't he only on 50K a year? I'm sure the FA could make him a more attractive offer. And he looks like Lou Reed. England should have a manager who looks like Lou Reed.
Lee, Rutland,
Platini and Bilic are like doctors saying that the patient is sick because he has spots. They are describing the symptom rather than identifying the cause or prescribing the remedy. The reason so few English players play for the Premier League teams (and so few Under 21s start for any teams) is that the players in the current cycle are not good enough technically. This is down to poor coaching and a wrong approach when they were younger. This problem will remain until we stop blaming foreigners for our ills. As Wenger said, we had no foreigners from 1966 to 1996 and still won nothing and even failed to qualifiy for the WC and Euros on occasion.
Simon, London, UK
Bilic is certainly right that England disrespected them. They also fatally under-estimated them. You don't get to be top of the group for nothing. England believed they could play an attacking game and blow Croatia away from the start, but they should have ensured the defense first, especially seeing as the entire first choice back 5 were out injured, and they had a rookie goalkeeper. There is no point in having a team of talented individuals if they can't play as a team. Poor management I'd say.
J Jones, London,
English players couldn't go abroad. They dont speak English everywhere else and you cant expect an English footballer to learn a foreigh language now could you??!!??
English football needs changes form the grass roots upwards.
A change of Manager is just balme culture at its worst.
What do these power merchants at the FA actually do?
I am sick of the whole industry and feel less and less emotion towards it as time goes bu.
James, London,
Would articles like this be written had England qualified for Euro 2008? I think not. It's about time the english press realised that your league and players are over-hyped and simply aren't that great. You always need someone to blame for incapability to do well and now it's teams like Arsenal for not fielding English players.
Wisen up!
Barry Park, Aberdeen, Scotland
The Premiership is just another example of employers bringing in employees trained at another country's expense rather than go to the trouble of training up our own nationals.
Andrew, London, Uk
Um... isn't Croatia's best player a Brazilian / foreigner?
Ben , Southend, England
great. i am brazilian. sorry my english.
in my country the teenagers are playing professional footbal, with all the reponsability and press pression. that´s the secret. the european teams boght the players and his space is always open,
sorry my english, against.
congratulations, all you englands have a lot of dignity, winning or losing.
rodrigo aguiar
aguiar, porto alegre, brazil
This article is mostly from a good program with Bilic on BBc World. He said another thing, that I found very interessting, and would like to read more about. That a foreign player is far cheaper than an English player, of equal quality. I think this problem deserves a seperate article, since it was not tuched upon here.
Jan, Fortaleza,
the number of foreigners in the premier league is an indication that english players arent up to scratch! its not a reason why!
James, maidenhead, UK
Don't be an idiot Ilja.
Bilic is absolutely right in EVERY sence of the word. Good young players in the UK don't stand a chance to all the foreign guys. How are they going to learn high level of football???
Where is the U21 team of England???
I rest my case !!
"and racist comments which, by the way, are being voiced VERY often in Croatia..."
haha I love this sentence!!! :)
Dalma, Split, Croatia
I'd take Slaven Bilic's opinion over yours, thanks.
ab, york,
England newspapers are really 'dishonest' and they put much pressure on the national team...
I always highly regarded Martin Samuel but I am extremely disappointed with that above writing...
How come, he could say Joe Hart is an unused substitute, he didn't play the last week that's it...but apart from that he's been playing week in week out... that the same with others
as long as English are not humble and do not look at issues properly,,, there will be a long way before they win any tournament again
Boban, Manchester, UK
Slaven Bilic is an insufferable hypocrite. It is easy for him to say anything about foreigners now that he is in the English limelight and the press listen to every sentence he blurts out.
What he conveniently forgets is that almost the ENTIRE Croatia team plays in foreign leagues, thus schooling the players in the international quality that beat England last week. Let no one be mistaken that we you saw last week is to 100% down to the ultramodern Croatian football academy...
He should enjoy his well-earned victory but in all otherwise shut his mouth. The road to quality goes via schooling and quality management, not via xenophobe and racist comments which, by the way, are being voiced VERY often in Croatia...
Ilja, Sliema, Malta
Italians win, but are extremely boring; stumbling and luck-struck Germans win too, but at least by fighting hard for their luck; Brazil, Argentine: No win in Europe; Spain, Portugal: No major trophy yet. English teams are undoubtedly the most charismatic and nobody really wants big changes in their traditional way of gameplay - foreign coaches, who bring in their own players (and divers & fakers with them), try, but it won't work for long. Decisive setback occured in 68, letting a 2-0 get out of hand: Today you cannot relax at having achieved the needed result, but you must fight very hard every of the 95 mins - even if the next big game occurs in 3 days! If you don't have the character of just delaying & defending, then don't do it (as in every of your last decisive matches)! And maximize the effectiveness of preparation for big games/tournaments esp. in the fields of team-building and psychology - a vital key, why technically, personally etc. limited teams can win big championships!
Alfred Grof, Linz, Austria
bilic says modrik and corluka could handle the pressure cos they play for dynamo zagreb in the uefa cup, then surely england, with all of its players in the premiership and the vast majority playing in the champions league could handle the pressure just as well.
england didn't lose the other night cos there's too many foreigners in the premiership, it's a bit early and premature for that excuse - but the stats on the U21s above make this look ominous for the future.
mitch, melbourne, australia
there are more south americans,european and african players playing in major leagues in italy,spain,germany and france.to argue that foreign players in england are hurting the performance of the national team is simply not true.franch won the world cup in 1998 in despite a huge comtingent of foreign players in their league and recently the italians have emulated them.last season the top three leading goal scorers were two africans and a portuguesse.the english players are simply not good enough,period.
kgomotso, johannesburg, south africa
The problem with the EPL is not the foreigners, but the lack of quality in England. Brazilians, Africans, and French players play everywhere in Europe. Germany, Italy, Spain, and France can and do field a world class team for their national side, England can't, they don't have many world class players! Period.The Under -21 in those conutry ply their trade all over the world as well. England shoud do the same thing, send the player all over Europe and learn technique, and tactics.
Antoine, Ottawa, Canada