Alex Murphy
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As if it needed any help, the antipathy between Liverpool and Manchester United deepened last night as the war of words over Gabriel Heinze’s destiny intensified.
Liverpool have had a £6.8 million offer for the player rejected by United and Rafael Benítez was scathing about United’s attitude towards a deal. “We sent in an offer for Heinze and they rejected it,” the Liverpool manager said. “Now the lawyers have to talk. The agent has called in the lawyers, everybody knows the situation now all around the world.”
Sir Alex Ferguson, the United manager, has been critical of the part played in the proposed deal by Heinze’s agent, with the player and Liverpool claiming that a letter exists stating that the defender can leave Old Trafford if a club make a bid of £5.8 million.
Liverpool deny any suggestion that Heinze has been “tapped up”. Ferguson has appeared to imply that there have been behind-the-scenes communications with the Argentina defender, but Liverpool privately insist that they would not have pursued Heinze so rigorously had there been any hint of impropriety.
Ferguson has made it clear that United do not want to sell to their fierce rivals and Benítez said: “I would rather now wait and see what happens next. A lot of clubs, in many different countries, knew what the situation was. I do not know what the problem is. We made an offer, they rejected it. I know what they are saying to the press, but everyone in the world knows they [United] signed a document.”
The last man to transfer directly between the clubs said last night that Heinze will “have hell to pay” if he turns out at Old Trafford in a Liverpool shirt. Phil Chisnall made the move in the summer of 1964, when Bill Shankly paid Matt Busby £25,000 for the forward.
But Chisnall, who ran betting shops after he left the game, said that he did not experience the animosity that Heinze seems guaranteed to face if a transfer goes through. “When I moved to Liverpool, there was nothing like the intensity between the clubs that there is now,” the 64-year-old said. “Liverpool had won the league, but they were quite new to the division and they were still viewed as the new boys.
“There were also so many teams capable of winning the league then that the United-Liverpool games weren’t the be-all and end-all that they became in later years.
“There was no ill-feeling between the clubs. Bill Shankly and Matt Busby used to visit each other once a week and had almost a father-son relationship and enormous respect for each other. They were really close.
“For me, as a 22-year-old, it was a good move, even though I was born and raised in Davyhulme and I had spent my whole life at United. I was competing with the likes of Bobby Charlton and Denis Law for a place in the team and Liverpool was a good place to go. And it was only an hour down the road.
“The Beatles were becoming famous all over the world and the place was buzzing. I felt flattered that Bill Shankly wanted me.”
Chisnall’s wife suffered more disruption than he did. “The only person who was bothered was the missus,” he said. “I told her I was going to play for Liverpool and it meant she had to take all the curtains down, pack up and move down the East Lancs Road. She wasn’t too pleased.
“No one else said much, even though I was moving between two big teams. Back then it was just a footballer moving from one club to another. I was able to go to Old Trafford and play for Liverpool and get a good reception from the crowd. It is so different now. If Heinze turns up at Old Trafford in a Liverpool shirt, there will be hell to pay.”
Reds at the double
Only eight players have made the move between Anfield and Old Trafford and two others have played for both clubs
Liverpool to Manchester United 1912 Tom Chorlton 1929 Tommy Reid 1938 Ted Savage, Allenby Chilton
United to Liverpool 1913 John Sheldon 1921 Fred Hopkin 1954 Tommy McNulty (£7,000) 1964 Phil Chisnall (£25,000)
Played for both Peter Beardsley: United (1982-83), Liverpool (1987-91) Paul Ince: United (1989-95), Liverpool (1997-99)
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None more black than the Ferguson pot...
G.Graham, Lincoln,
Maiks and Sahari,
Heinze is under contract to United. He can only leave before the contract is completed at United's discretion.
United do not wish to sell him to that team.
Is this clear?
imj, Abu Dhabi, UAE
To John in Spain, firstly, yes, bin dippers, very good comment, shows how clever you are an how you innovatively rely on immature 'name calling' to support your debate, also being from Spain you must be a Man U supporter? Liverpool finished 3rd last season last time I checked. Also you talk of a lack of respect Heinze is showing, well I think posting a comment expressing ignorant views and comments such as 'bin dippers' about people from a city you probably know nothing about, with you not even being from the country, is a total lack of respect.
Rob, Liverpool, UK
So whats Man U done with Tevez 3 years left on a contract with West ham and they havent tapped him up come on. Its all right for Utd to break or bend the rules but no one else grow up
Mark, Darlington,
Ince joined Liverpool from Internazionale,
Jon from Oliva Spain is correct, it is about a lack of respect but not to Utd but to the player himself. It shows up SAF as the control freak we all know and hate. He has been trying to punt Heinze all across Europe for months, a player he deemed worthy of captaincy a few seasons ago. So when the player gets the move he wants SAF blocks it, I can understand not wanting to sell Heinze to your biggest rivals. But if the player is surplus to requirements at Old Trafford, SAF should show the player some respect and allow Heinze his move.
Dan, Arbroath, Scotland
Leaving Britians 2nd most successful club to join Britians most successful club is what Gabby will do. Knows he will have a better chance of winning more medals there. We're back and now we can buy the big guns like never before..
Redeye, Dublin, Ireland
Any manager in their right mind would not sell a player to a rival if it may weaken his side and stregthen theirs. I think heinze should distance himself from this transfer. He seems to have forgotten how Fergie and Utd stop by him when he was injured and helped him get back into the Argentina squad. His form has been patchy which is why he has not played regularly for Utd and given Liverpool's squad he's not exactly guaranteed a first team place. Personally Riise is a far better professional
matthew Kemp, Bath, BANES
This only serves to illustrate how much the Mancs hate Liverpool and no matter what they achieve they will always be considered to be arrogant self serving know it alls with a massive point to prove. Hating Scousers and all things Liverpool is their raison d'etre. Loving being from Liverpool, and a Liverpool fan is ours. You'll Never Walk Alone.
MrD, London,
Actually Liverpool finished 3rd in the Premiership last season. I believe Ince moved via Inter Milan?
Stephen, Andover, England
Liverpool Tapping up...please Sir Alex should look out in his own back yard first before accusing other clubs. One Carlos Tevez seems to have been approached long before any formal permission was granted, same could t be said about Ferdinand and even Rooney who were all spoken they were heading there, way before an agreement between clubs was ever agreed.
Bad business sense which is unlike them they usually take the money and run obviously are very concerned Liverpool will be bigger threat already and want to ensure tehy do not play any part in helping them be successful
Chris, Sydney,
Via which team did Ince move to Liverpool? Anyone remembers? Some Italian team wassit?
Almaz, Swansea, Wales
If Gabby does leave UTD to the bin dippers, it shows a complete lack of respect. Why would you want to leave the current EPL CHAMPIONS to play for the 4th best team in the EPL.
John , oliva, Spain
It's ok for Man Utd to buy the best players from any team it wants but it's not happy to sell players other clubs want. And they have the hide to accuse Chelsea of buying success. United have always done the same for as long as I have followed the game. What hypocrites
Sahari, Sydney, Australia
Does Gabriel Heinze want to move to Liverpool ? If so, then why not let him?
Maiks, Secunda, South Africa