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Patrick Vieira and Ruud Gullit both believe English academies are failing to produce top home-grown talent. The lack of quality coming through the ranks was raised as a concern by Sir Trevor Brooking, the Football Association's director of football development, this week.
He claimed the influx of foreign players to the English game was partly to blame for what he saw as a dwindling pool of talent, with the rising number of foreign players in the top flight leading to a lack of depth in key areas for England.
But two of the top flight's best imports believe the problems start much earlier than the first team.
Vieira, the former Arsenal captain who is now with Inter Milan, said: "There are not so many good young English players at many of the clubs and I really believe that the academies are not good enough for the young players between 12 and 15.
"Training for young players is important, but they [the academies] are not working properly to make young English players come through."
Vieira singled out West Ham United, Brooking's former team, as the only club whose academy has produced genuine quality English players consistently.
"When you look at the four big clubs in England, you find there are very few English players in the team," Vieira said. "When you look at the English players from Chelsea, many of them have come from West Ham.
"They are doing a good job, they are the only club that I believe that has done a good job. What the other clubs should do is ask why all the players are coming from West Ham and not from other clubs."
Gullit, the former Chelsea player and manager, believes the academies are a waste of money. "Not many English youngsters are coming through. They spend fortunes on academies, but the bigger clubs don't use them because they can buy any star they want," he said. "There are too many average foreign players coming to England. You see too many average players where English players could do the same job, but I don't think they are as good.
"It is the same problem they had in Italy, and when the Italian national team doesn't play well, this issue becomes bigger."
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I can't believe anyone can seriously praise Arsenal following this article. Have they fielded a single, solitary English player yet this season?????? If they have it's probably because his dad was French or something and Arsene got confused. I totally agree that there should be a limit of the number of non-English (or non-British perhaps) playing in a given match. That would force teams to have English players and those players could then learn from the very best foreigners - and that would be a huge boost for the national side.
Dave, London, England
British coaches are absolute jokes.They lack basic intelligence and sporting intelligence.They are completly unable to coach young players to think correctly and make correct decisions when they are playing in competitive matches.
British football will not improve until more intelligent coaches and coaching are employed.
little al , southampton,
young english players are over-rated and over priced,thats why managers shop abroad.Manchester City seem to have a good academy system with 5/6 of them in the first team squad at least this season.
joe briscoe, bristol,
These guys have missed the point: money is the point; teams winning is the point; coaches keeping a job is the point. Ergo, kids from the academies dont get the chance because coaches go all over the world seeking players who will help them NOW!
MON gave some academy kids a chance when he wasn't expected to win--credit given: would he do it now that he is expected to win?
chris harris, washington DC, usa
Spot on Patrick. Arsene Wenger, derided for his perceived distrust of English players, has gone a long way to rectifying the academy system at Arsenal. This has led to a whole generation of English youngsters showing flair and skill during play - attributes not found in the Gerrard generation. Bentley, Murphy, Muamba, the Hoyte brothers, Lansbury, Gibbs are a few examples of players brought through by Arsenal. Whilst they might not all get first team opportunities at Arsenal, their impact at other clubs and on the league itself is noticeable.
When he arrived, Wenger expressed concern at the poor development of the academy's players and said it would take 10 years to rectify the situation. His implementations are producing results as he said they would.
The FA would do well to stop criticising foreign players and pour more money into grassroots football and a national academy a la Clairefontaine instead of building expensive new stadia and paying themselves unjustified salaries.
Carys Mathews, Chester, uk
Bloody right too! It is way overdue to do something positive about this. How about putting a limit to the number of foreign players a club can field for a game: maximum 5 per game including subs - the rest must be British.
We cannot allow foreigners (players and owners alike) to just swamp the EPL. Give our own a chance to realize their dream. Or else football means nothing but big money.
Anton Lyn, Guangzhou, China
Manchester City ????????
Paul Fowles, Crewe, UK
When will people give the Mighty Hammers the credit they deserve - we won the World Cup in '66 & it'll be up to us to do it again (whenever that might be). Only when Mark Noble is captain of England do we stand a chance.
Martin Clark, Chelmsford,
English grassroot football is uttter tosh. I am playing at Mens level again after stopping at under 16 level and it's just as bad.
Where in other European countries and Latin America, the emphasis is on skill, technique, possession and overall comfortability on the ball, the culture in England emphasises speed, brute force and physical presence. As a kid, I was never encouraged to keep the ball or dribble, it was always "look up and pass." I believe, this is the culture which is making our kids so bad at this sport - football is an art not a war nor rugby.
We need to adopt the Italian, Spanish, Brazilian and French culture of football. It's no surprise flair players such as Kaka, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo win award after award. The closest English player we have to the aforementioned is possibly Joe Cole and perhaps, Scholes, or even David Bentley. Let's not blame wholly the foreign players - I believe they have set the bar for which our future English players should look up to.
Ali, Kent, England
It would be interesting to see how teams might fair if players had to do a return of service of say 4 years following their apprenticeship. West Ham would certainly have a good line up.
However, the harsh reality is that money talks. Poorer clubs will always sell out to release much needed cash and if a team can buy players in already prepared to play top level football rather than wait 4 or 5 years for them (the players) to develop, then they will.
Steve, Devizes, England