Gabriele Marcotti: Commentary
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Yesterday, Seville officials discreetly spread the news that Juande Ramos, their coveted manager, would be leaving. Which may help to explain why some bookmakers have installed him as the 2-5 favourite to replace Martin Jol at the helm of Tottenham Hotspur. Except Seville also privately insist that, while it’s true they expect Ramos to leave, it will not be until the end of the season, when his contract expires. And, according to a source close to Ramos, it is merely a negotiating ploy in an attempt to get him to reopen stalled talks over his contract.
The source also maintains that Ramos is merely “keeping his options open” by talking to Tottenham and that any move now is highly unlikely. José MarÍa del Nido, the president, described rumours of Ramos’s imminent departure as “totally false”.
All of which is understandable. Seville have a chance to compete against AC Milan for the European Super Cup next Friday. After that, the Champions League beckons. For Ramos, who will be making his debut in the competition, it will be a chance to shine with a club that strengthened over the summer with the likes of Tom De Mul, Morgan De Sanctis and Seydou Keita — and more spending could be on the cards if Daniel Alves moves to Chelsea.
Given that a number of top jobs are likely to open up next June – Real Madrid, Barcelona, AC Milan, Arsenal and Chelsea could all be looking for managers by then – it certainly makes sense for Ramos to bide his time.
The impression is that Spurs put all their eggs in the Ramos basket and, unless he changes his mind overnight, it will be difficult to find a top-drawer replacement for Jol. Jürgen Klinsmann, a sentimental favourite, is a very long shot. A source close to the former Tottenham striker believed it would be very unlikely that the former Germany coach would take a job at this stage of the season. The fact that Klinsmann was lukewarm about the possibility of pursuing the Chelsea job a few months ago would also suggest that he would be unlikely to swap the Southern Californian lifestyle for North London just yet.
Marcello Lippi, another name on the bookmakers’ lists, has indicated that he is enjoying his time off after leading Italy to the 2006 World Cup. While he has declared an interest in working abroad, it probably will not be until next summer. The same can be said of his countryman, Fabio Capello, who has just signed a contract as a television pundit with RAI, the Italian state broadcaster. He makes his debut this evening, when Italy face Hungary in a friendly.
Among the domestic options, Mark Hughes, the Blackburn Rovers manager, and Harry Redknapp, of Portsmouth, have both been mentioned, though any moves would be complicated by the fact that they are at present under contract, which means that some kind of compensation would need to be arranged. There are a few other options among unemployed coaches with top-flight experience, such as Gérard Houllier, the former Liverpool manager, Gianluca Vialli, previously of Chelsea, and Paul Jewell, who did a fine job at Wigan Athletic.
Tottenham may also be tempted to firm things up now for a manager to join them next summer, something Ramos may be persuaded to do, while leaving the team in the hands of a caretaker. Should that be the case, an old hand with strong links to the club such as David Pleat may come into the frame.
For now, however, the impression is that Spurs have jumped the gun on Jol, allowing stories to circulate that he would be dismissed without first having taken steps to nail down a replacement. Either that, or they seriously misread Ramos when they met him last week. The way this affair has been mishandled could set off warning lights among prospective managers. If they treat Jol this way, are they really the kind of people -you would want to work for?
The official word from the club
“There has been much speculation over the past few days in respect of our manager, Martin Jol. The club does not respond to speculation, but we do feel it is important to clarify the current position.”
Daniel Levy
The chairman
“We have had two good, progressive seasons with fifth place finishes. I am an ambitious chairman, we are an ambitious club and we want Champions League football at White Hart Lane. We, the Board, owe it to the club and the supporters to constantly assess our position and performance and to ensure that we have the ability to operate and compete at that level.
“We have made a massive investment in the squad and as a result we have the best squad of players this club has had for over 20 years and they are equally hungry for success and silverware. For that we need our management and coaching standards to be of the highest quality such that players can fulfil their potential and we can compete with the best.
“We have discussed all of these expectations with Martin [Jol] and he has confirmed to me today that he feels he is equipped with a squad and a determination to take on that challenge.”
Martin Jol
The manager
“We had a full and frank conversation and I fully understand the ambitions of the club — they are the same as those of the supporters. He [Levy] has put a lot of hard work into this club and with the squad of players we have assembled, it is realistic that we should look to challenge for a top-four position and I have assured him and the board that that is what I shall aim for.
“The last two seasons we have finished fifth and this season we start with an even better team. So we should be optimistic. Yes, it is pressure to deliver, but that is what we managers should expect. Hopefully, all the media will relax now – all I shall be concentrating on is each and every game.”
Useful pointers
What the board should know
Martin Jol has the best league record of any Tottenham Hotspur manager since the great Bill Nicholson resigned in 1974, in terms of points per game. Records have been calculated on the basis of three points for a win even though the system was introduced only in 1981.
Bill Nicholson 1.65 points per league game (1,102 from 666)
Martin Jol 1.58pts per game (167 from 106)
David Pleat 1.53pts per game (132 from 86: 91 from 54 in first spell;
41 from 32 in second)
Peter Shreeves 1.54pts per game (194 from 126: 142 from 84 in first
spell; 52 from 42 in second)
Keith Burkinshaw 1.45pts per game (488 from 336)
Terry Venables 1.42pts per game (194 from 137)
Doug Livermore 1.40pts per game (59 from 42)
Gerry Francis 1.39pts per game (165 from 119)
Christian Gross 1.308pts per game (34 from 26)
George Graham 1.306pts per game (128 from 98)
Terry Neill 1.29pts per game (101 from 78)
Glenn Hoddle 1.27pts per game (113 from 89)
Jacques Santini 1.18pts per game (13 from 11)
Osvaldo Ardiles 1.15pts per game (62 from 54)
Dismissing a manager in August can be unwise on past evidence. Five managers have suffered an August dismissal in the Premier League since its inception in 1992 and, on average, the club in question went on to finish four places lower than in the previous campaign.
August dismissals
2004: Southampton: Paul Sturrock (team finished 12th in 2003-04) replaced by Steve Wigley for four months and then Harry Redknapp (team finished 20th in 2004-05).
2004: Newcastle United: Sir Bobby Robson (5th) replaced by Graeme Souness (14th)
1999: Newcastle United: Ruud Gullit (13th) replaced by Robson (11th)
1998: Newcastle United: Kenny Dalglish (13th) replaced by Gullit (13th)
1993: Manchester City: Peter Reid (9th) replaced by Brian Horton (16th)
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I support Martin Jol. My whole village in Cyprus would like to voice support for Martin Jol
costas Papadopulos, London,
I think it's ridiculous to try to replace Jol at this stage of the season.
If the board didn't think he was up to the task he should have been sacked in the summer and that person given the £40 million to build on the squad.
Who now would want to take Jol's job after the way he's been treated; two 5th finishes, four cup quarter finals and one semi-final is a fine record and easily the best for more than 20 years taken as a whole.
The board has been shown to be both gutless and inept. Gutless for not sacking Jol, in the summer, if this is what they felt about him. And inept in leaking its disapproval of his rein and then failing to "get their man".
The whole episode tarnishes the reputation of a once proud and decent club.
As a fan, from a family who've supported Spurs since the 1920s, I'm sad to say I felt ashamed yesterday.
Robert Allen, London, England
Paul in Dorset is spot on. We are closing the gap but are not there yet.
We did not need Darren Bent in the summer, we needed a left winger and a midfield playmaker to replace Carrick. Had we brought in two world class players in these positions with the strike force we had, the board should aspire to be challenging for the top 4 positions but to expect that is naive.
Martin Jol is doing a fantastic job for Spurs, 5th 2 years running and European football. This is despite the hindrence from the board whereby players are brought that the manager has not requested. I'm sure Jol would swap Bent for £16m to spend on 2 midfielders of his choice.
Levy and the board are dilusional in they believe a top class manager will take the post when he has no control over his playing squad. COMOLLI HAS TO GO. Let Jol buy the players he believes he needs and judge him on that. Imagine if Fergie or Wenger were told who they could or couldn't buy! Jol is performing wonders in impossible circumstances
matthew Kemp, Bath, BANES
Very well said Spurs fans!
As a Newcastle United supporter I well know the sense of frustration, disbelief and disharmony these sort of things can bring to a club. At Newcastle it is arguable that we are only NOW trying to get back to where we were under Sir Bobby and that is 3 years ago. Equally, the team of young talent that Sir Bobby was trying to build then has all but departed.
But to me, as an outsider, I think Martin Jol has done an absolutely brilliant job. Ok the Champions league place has not yet been realised and the silverware cupboard may yet still be bare BUT of all the clubs in the Premiership, I think Spurs have shown the greatest advancement over the last couple of years and the Spurs squad (plus or minus one or two) is quite exceptional.
AND he is a good guy.
This seems very much like power and money talking rather than good common sense-and decency to a very good man and Manager - AGAIN!!
Kevin Wilford, Manchester, UK
A great article, Mr Marcotti. The stats at the end are telling and it might be worthwhile for Levy and co to read them; he does after all have a first in economics from Cambridge, so stats shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps he and the other intellects on the board could generate funds by writing a book, "The art of boardroom management - how not to do it"; maybe not a book, but how about a seminal paper and then I'm sure Rogan Taylor could hand Levy an honorary doctorate.
Now there appears to be egg splattered all over their faces, perhaps they would like to engage their brains next time they think about speaking.
Harrow Cockerel, Harrow,
The board having invested heavily in the transfer market obviously do not now have a very strong stomach - this is evidenced by their reaction to the manager after only two games in. They got it wrong with Santini, they have it wrong with Ramos. If they think they can do better than Jol - then they have not learned the lessons of their recent past. We have many new young talents at the lane, Jol has given us back a future but to expect champions league silverware at this stage again highlights the the boards' unrealistic expectations . Leave Jol alone to get on with his job, leave the young talent to mature and perhaps in 2-3 seasons time it will be realistic to mount a champions league campaign.
LAP, Sevenoaks, Kent
You just have to look at the calibre of the Spurs board personel: young, brash, flash and out of their depth. Joe Lewis should wake up and get involved and start with finding some directors who can do more than rip fans off and tread water
jonathan anthony, London, London
A point behind Liverpool, a point ahead of Man Utd, who've both spent big and are trying to get a new team to gel.
Common sense would dictate that it's hardly a crisis, but that doesn't sell papers, does it?
Motd on Saturday night was similar, 3 games in to the season and Man Utd have already lost the title.
Ludicrous.
Al, Edinburgh, UK
the guy loses 2games out of 3! and they want to sack him there is 35 more games left
disgusting behaviour by the board
glide, harlow,
I think the way Spurs have gone about the whole situtation with regards the Martin Jol saga simply stinks. I don't think the board and chairman realise how good a coach Martin is. I believe that finally he has brought some stability to the club, in that we, the fans are fairly confident that we'll at the least finish in the top six and the days of flirting between 9th and 17th in the league are well and truly over.
I think that we just need to work on a mental toughness in defence and not switch off after 85 mins as was so often the case last season. The fact that we have managed to keep our most loved players- Berbatov, Lennon and Keane and attract some great sought after young players - Bale and Kaboul shows that the club are heading in the right direction.
People are not claiming that Manchester United are not going to win the league after a poor start and likewise that Manchester City surely will win it after their great start. We just need a reality check.
david basrawy, london,
This situation is embarassing and the board are dilusional. Yes we have invested a lot of money in players over the past few seasons and the board are entitled to believe we should be challenging for a top 4 finish. However to expect a top 4 finish is naive.
It is also fundamentally wrong for the board to judge Jol who is doing a fantastic job for Spurs on level of spending when he does not have full control over the players being brought. I'm sure Jol and most fans would tell you the £16m spent on Bent would have been far better invested on a left winger and a midfield playmaker. At Sunderland we lacked creativity and width, the two areas Jol asked the board to address who inturn spent £6m odd too much on Bent.
GET RID OF COMOLLI, allow Jol to purchase the players he feels he needs and then judge his performance if he fails to deliver. No top class mgr will work for a board who dictate transfers and judging by their performance, no top manager will want to work for Spurs' board
matthew Kemp, Bath, BANES
I think the board is both correct and brave in tryiny to replace Martin Jol, he is noit a top manager he is lucky to be managing a team that have been outspent by only Chelsea during his reign.
Why not go for a top manager, Jol has no pedigre, just listening to him talk about football makes me think he is not up to it.
He is far to negative in his attitude during matches and in interviews. He is not a duth football man he judges a striker bt how tall they are, hence his idea of replacing Berbatov with Crouch.
Paul Wilson, London,
Juande Ramos could very well be the new Paul Le Guen. A big success at ONE club, but when taken out of his native comfort zone, is useless.
Keep Jol.
Larry, London,
What has happened during the last few days stinks of a chairman who is part of a financer's company that own majority share holdind in Tottenham Hotspur preparing to accept offers for the club. Mr Levy has never, in my openion,realy had any love for the club.that is except finantial love. Treating a Manager who has given his all to the club in his honesty,integrity, and hard work draged the team out of the quagmire they were in two years ago and led a team who can hold their heads high. Martin Jol is as has been proven the second best manager we have had, he should not and will not be treated in this way.We the supporters will not allow it. I am sorry to see this happen to him what after two games and with Man U sitting at 16th while we ars at 12th. Mr Levy look behind you while in the halls of our club because there might be someone waiting to stick the knife in your back as you have done to Martin who has the support of both the players and supporters.
Paul Farrugia, Xaghra Gozo, Malta
Amazingly inept boardroom! How to unsettle your solid, settled, accomplished manager and a team which is beginning to really gel in one easy move.
Just staggeringly poor leadership from the top. How on earth can they have thought "stick" at the end of last season and throughout a high spending summer, only to think "twist" now after just a few games??
Kwev, London,
I´m from Spain, and i think, Juande Ramos is one of the best, and Sevilla is better than Tottenham, because in 15 months he has won 6 titles ( 2 UEFA´s cups, 1 Europe´s Supercup, and Spanish Cup ) and could be 7 titles if Sevilla win Milan. I think that Ramos in 2008/2009 will be your manager, when he finish his contract with Sevilla, I think so.
Jose, Murcia , Spain
The Tottenham board are suffering from delusions! If they truly believe that by finishing fith for two consecutive seasons that they have closed the substantial gap on the 'big four' ,then they are seriously misguided. Martin Jol is the best thing that has happended to Spurs in the past 15 years!!!!!
I feal embarrassed that the board suddenly feal we are Champions League candiadtes, this is based purely on finance. The board, as are fans who pay ther hard earned money each week, know that we have stikers that are the envy of the premiershio, however, as has been proved time and time again, we have a leightweight midffield, a collection of mind bogglingly inept naturally left sided players and a defence that is famously prone to leaking goals! WE ARE NOT THERE YET!!
In conclusion, as is widely acknowledged; we are moving in the right direction. However the board need to realIsie what a period of uncertainty could do for the club!!!! MARTIN JOL, YOU HAVE THE RESPECT AND SUPPORT OF
Paul, Wareham, Dorset
Martin Jol is probably not THE best manager we have ever had in terms of knowledge or tactical nowse.
But remember he started his top flight career only 2.5 years ago when spurs where more than happy to have him dig them out of a hole when the board got Santinis apointment so badly wrong.
He was offered the job at set about on the same learning curve so many of the clubs aquired young guns have been on.
To this point Martin Jol has behaved impecably, help build the clubs growing reputation and in his own way added to the appeal of selling the club to potential transfer targets.
Wether Spurs could replace him with a better manager or not is imaterial....Martin Jol has done nothing to expect to be treated in such an appauling way. Even if it is in the name of succsess.
The vast majority of Spurs fans are saddened by the clubs strong armed tatics towards someone that has never had anything but the cliubs best intrests at heart.
We shall continue to support him even if Levy doesn't !
bob threader, roydon, united kingdom