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Insult was added to injury last night as Italian football authorities joined Rome police in condoning the terrifying scenes in the Olympic Stadium on Wednesday, with fears that Manchester United will be punished by Uefa for the ugly incidents even though the club believe that their fans were innocent victims.
Eighteen United supporters and two Roma fans required medical attention for injuries sustained during their Champions League quarter-final first leg and in a prematch ambush by the Italian club’s notorious “Ultra” supporters, which resulted in several stab wounds.
United expressed serious concern in a statement yesterday, citing “indiscriminate beatings” by the local Carabinieri and promising their assistance with a Government investigation into the disturbances. But club officials were shocked and disturbed to hear comments from the Italian football federation (IFF) and the Rome police, who claimed that the actions of their force were justified.
Uefa, European football’s governing body, has launched its own investigation, with United likely to be charged for the “improper conduct” of their supporters, just as they were in the match against Lille, staged in Lens, in the previous round.
United were fined £6,300 and could face more serious sanctions this time, although their participation in the Champions League is not thought to be under threat.
The reaction in Britain, not for the first time in recent years, has been one of outrage at the heavy-handed approach of Rome police, but in the Italian capital — to United’s immense displeasure — the Carabinieri have been widely praised for their tactics.
“The English press speak of heavy-handed police but we owe gratitude to our law enforcers and I don’t believe those who try to make games safe can be crucified in this manner,” Giancarlo Abete, the IFF president, said.
Achille Serra, the Prefect of Rome, said: “To criticise the police is a sport and the British always like to do this. The police were forced to intervene between two sets of violent fans and once you are in the middle of it you have to go in strong. In my opinion the police’s performance was correct.
“If you can show me evidence of police brutality then I will of course look into it, but as far as I’m concerned, there is no evidence of this. It did not seem like a night of violence to me. There were incidents before and during the game, but nothing that I would say was serious.”
Serra’s comments met with outrage in Manchester. “This happens time and time again to football supporters travelling in Europe,” a spokeswoman for the Independent Manchester United Supporters’ Association said. “Football supporters — and not just from United — get treated terribly everywhere we go and Uefa need to look into this very carefully because, the way things are going, it’s only a matter of time before there’s a very serious incident. These comments from the Italian authorities don’t so much disgust me as confirm everything I already thought about the police in some countries.”
Although much of the United fans’ displeasure is directed at the Italian police, there is also anger about a seemingly organised attack on 300 supporters by Roma’s “Ultras” on a bridge over the River Tiber before the match. There are also fears that a minority of United supporters may attempt to exact revenge against the 3,500 Roma fans travelling to Manchester for the second leg on Tuesday.
Greater Manchester Police intend to increase the number of officers inside and outside Old Trafford to deter clashes. A spokesman said: “GMP is experienced at policing large-scale football games. We will have adequate resources to police the area in and around the ground, in the city centre and on Salford Quays. Officers from our tactical aid unit, dog unit, mounted unit and traffic sections will be utilised alongside an increased presence of patrolling officers.”
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to Marco, Milan, Italy
you said, and I quote, "I admit that ROMA fans are the most violent in Italy" then why were the Carabinieri deployed on the United side of the wall? maybe a few of the Ultras work in the Carabinieri ? Your whole state of football in Italy is tainted, fix your own backyard.
jack, Melbourne,
The only thing we have to keep in mind is that people who act in the wrong way(as the United supporters did) deserve to be punished.
Moreover it's weird to think that whatever Italians do it's wrong. In fact we are condemned when we act as the United supporters did and we are condemned as well when we try to react against violent supporters.
As matter of fact this is not weird but ridiculous!
Fabrizio, Milan, Italy
After United…Tottenahm. Maybe there is something wrong with your supporters?
I live in Milan, and I think British supporters are probably the worst; they get drunk at 8 in the morning, throw hundreds of glass and bottles in every corner of the city. A Celtic supporter was killed 3 weeks ago in Milan when he suddenly ran into the street, completely drunk. These are your supporters too.
You are not allowed to think that UK fans are all polite and educated only because English stadiums are now safe (and we know it is true only inside). Your supporters get football matches outside the UK as a possibility to do what they can't in their own country.
Remember the time when English police used strength to face hooligans. But this time it happened in Italy and you do not lose a chance to criticize...
By the way, I admit that ROMA fans are the most violent in Italy, they always cause problem in Milan. But this is not an excuse to neglect your responsibility.
Sorry for my bad english
Marco, Milan, Italy
look at the last video of the Italian Police, Carabinieri is another thing, and realise what the UK fans have done.
The video is available on www.corriere.it, sorry that is in Italian. Italian authorities had forbidden to sell alcoolics since early afternoon in the whole municipality of Rome ... but they must have had their own storage.
Again, Siviglia vs Tottenham was the theatre of analogous fights betweem policemen and English supporters, we should conclude that the actual problem is not the Italian or the Spanish Polizia but the english supporters.
Remember that in the UK such behaviours are strongly condamned and punished
Rosa, Rome, Italy
The scenes from Rome have not been universally received with outrage at the police action. There is a sizeable proportion of the British population which is delighted to see the loutish shaven-heads who have brought our country into world-wide contempt treated in the way they deserve. English fans have been the scum of the earth for a generation - grunting sub-humans who deserve all they get. Every baton cracking an English head is acompanied, quite rightly, by a cheer from the rest of the world. We can't control our scum - be glad others try to do it for us. The rampant uncontrolled yobbery of Britain, which has destroyed us, will stop at Dover if all countries do as the Romans have done. Let's hope we see a good many more heads being broken.
eric, leeds, uk
Maurizio- I feel for your position. I really do. But perhaps you now understand what it was like for the innocent middle aged genuine United fans who came up a group of hard core Ultras armed with machetes and chains and who ended up getting stabbed and assualted.
Violence will breed violence and unfortuanately you seem to have been yet another victim.
choppers, Sydney, Australia
The Italians must have forgotten their notorious history of football hooliganism in the past years. Perhaps, the Italian Football Federation as well as the police authority feel their heavy-handed tactics in dealing with bare-handed United sipporters is justified of the happening reminiscient of the recent violence in their own soil in which one policeman was killed.
William Fok, Hong Kong, China
I was appalled at the action taken by the police. It's very unfair just to be lined-up on the Manchester United's fans section. There is not a single riot police on the Roma's side. Called that fair?... Why baton? Isn't the shield enough?
Furthermore i was shock to see that some police just wouldn't stop hitting the supporter. Some even want to get away, yet they keep hitting them. Like they were enjoying it.
Nicholas, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Why don't the Italian police understand that it was both sets of supporters acting violently? You watch the footage: the police were completely over the top against United fans, who were getting bottles thrown at them, but the police didn't do anything to stop the Roma fans. I think in Britain we've learned well, have police standing between both sets of fans, then a space, that way you can control both. Not just a plastic fence.
Ask any Wales fans in the San Siro back in 2003, they'll tell you that the Italian fans urinated into cups and threw them from the upper teirs, yet what happened when anyone from Wales kicked up a fuss? They had a baton raised at them. It seems the Italians feel British fans are like a bunch of dogs to be poked, harassed and then beaten, rather than admit they have a problem of their own. It's the easy way out for them.
Alex, Cardiff, UK
What people seem to be ignoring is the fact that there was not a single policeman in the Roma section, despite the clear tv pictures that show horrific intimidation (including Roma fans mimicing cutthroat actions) and yet when the Man Utd fans react, which of course they in a perfect world shouldnt, they immediately brutally attack the fans even when they pose no threat when they are on the floor. I understand that in the aftermath of the horrible death of a policeman earlier in the year, the police are likely to act first and think later. However if anyone other than a policeman had inflicted such a relatively unprovoked attack then they would be facing serious criminal charges. I am a loyal man utd fan who goes home and away and appreciate many fans dont help themselves with the alcohol and language used, but unless UEFA act decisively and not a pathetic fine that is less than a day of Totti's wages nothing will change until someone is unable to walk away from another incident
Iain Taker, Brentwood, Essex
I've visted italian grounds many times. The Police are terrible I've seen teenagers smashing the stadium up literally 3m away from police. who did nothing - later at the same game they had to do a many baton charge.
I would never visit Rome as an away supporter its too dangerous. Plus one of italy's leading newspapers (La Republica) treats AS Roma v. leniently. Lazio is another case (polititcs here). The 2 roman clubs with their fans are a disgrace to Italian football. Anyone see the Coppa italia game where there was pitch battles between Lazio/Roma fans.
So you have a technically crap Polic/Carabinieri force.
A city which allows its fans to get away with everything and a Press/media which allows them to do this.
Coupled with Visiting Eng Fans who have a very antagonistic approach. Possibly they see it as the only chance to cause trouble when abroad. Amongst Eng fans they take over the area - its a mini invasion.
Result - reciepe for disaster..
terry, London,
Hooligans are back in Roma and Siviglia.
Lara, Roma, Italy
Mr. Brockebank
Sane people should not give any chance to go out of England, to a "selection" of drunk and ignorant people like the holygans which are exporting violence in any part of Europe, or you just forget what heppned in Heysel( you know it very well don't you), Greece, Turkey, Nederland and just the last few weeks in Rome , Sevilla and Lille?
It looks like that English were there not Romans.
I hope you are just one of them, talking just to renew the air in your mouth, and not one of the immense mass of correct and sane English, which i am proud to be friend of, who perfectly knows where the fault is.
Said that i wish that no revenge will be performed, being confident that the intelligence of the REAL English people will put aside those who are exporting the worst side of your culture, and let's watch a great football match.
Marco Ginosi, Roma , Italia
Marco, Roma, Italia
it's too easy to blame everytime Italy and Italians.
it isn't the first time you come to Italy just to get drunk and make a mess everytime you go to see a football match!
i think it isn't a coincidence that spanish police had had the same behaviour!!
andrea, Trevignano, Italy
it's too easy to blame everytime Italy and Italians.
it's not the first time you come to Italy just to get drunk and make a mess everytime you go to see a football match!!
if you are not guilty about it is it a coincidence what has happened in seville?
andrea, Trevignano, Italy
Visit www.repubblica.it and look at the police video about roma-manchester (link in homepage).
comment again about italian police brutality??
pele', milan,
Er...is Maurizio Bocchettas sob-story made up? For a start, Chelsea v Valencia was played at the same time as Roma v Man Utd so how he went after the first game to watch it is either a lie or a major time-travelling feat! Secondly, are we really meant to believe that in 'Forest Park' in the USA there is such passion and aggression surrounding football, and such an intense hatred of AS Roma, so as to lead to violence? No.....thought not.
Ben, Manchester, UK
Two away legs, and trouble both times.
Throw Utd out now!
Cityboy, Manchester,
Well I can definetly say that the famous Hooligans terrors of opposite squads, are only able to attack a cople of young boy and girl who were not even intrested in football with the rsult that the boy lost an eye. Yet when the trouble for them begin thy are going to cry under Governament skirt!!! Some real Lyons!!
If you would stop to get drunk and annoying you would have noticed that doesn't exist a dangerus spot in Rome only nice place to visit and nice people to be with. Why when the other nations come down here nothing happen? why is not the same with French Irish and so on?
Belive you me stop to cry mom and get a real life.
Marco, URBE or Eternat City, Italy
It is difficult to say who is more responsable in these cases. On both sides there are uncivilized irresponible people who go to the stadium not to see a football game but just to be violent and fight.
Roberto Castellano, Salsomaggiore, Italy
According to Mr. Arthur Brocklebank, Liverpool, England, "......The answer is dont travel to danger spot. ..". To me, the only intelligent answer is: don't get drunk, don't create trouble and enjoy the game. There won't be so many problems.
Giovanni Scarponi, San Severino Marche, Italy
The authorities should act now and stop the roma fans attending old Trafford on Tuesday. This will stop any potential harm or deaths to innocent fans.
Likewise with travelling British fans. The answer is dont travel to danger spot. The foreign office gives warnings about travel to certain countries why not to certain football stadia and then it is the responsible of the fan if things go wrong.
If you read the warnings, then no sane person would go to Rome and watch a match. Attendances have fallen in Italy because of violence, so why go and fuel the flames in Italy.
Arthur Brocklebank, Liverpool, England