Edward Gorman, Motor Racing Correspondent
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Fernando Alonso has been informed by Ron Dennis, the McLaren Mercedes team principal, that he can leave at the end of this season, well-placed sources have told The Times.
The Formula One rumour mill is in full flow over the future of Alonso after his role in the vain attempt to prevent Lewis Hamilton, his teammate, from taking pole position during qualifying for last weekend’s Hungarian Grand Prix.
The source said last night: “My understanding is that he’s been told he can go because they’re so fed up with him. Ron is just very p***ed off with both of them [Alonso and Hamilton].”
Alonso, who is contracted to the Woking-based team until the end of 2009 on a salary of about $20 million (£10 million) a year, has indicated in remarks to the Spanish media that his future at McLaren is in doubt, as have key advisers in his entourage.
Even before the row over the attempt to delay Hamilton, sources close to the Spanish driver were making it clear that he was unhappy at the team and was dismayed at what he regards as McLaren reneging on their initial deal to make him the lead driver.
The prospect of Alonso leaving McLaren has encouraged speculation in the paddock about where the double and defending world champion may go. Among the possibilities are a move to Ferrari, at the expense of Felipe Massa, a return to Renault, where he would probably replace Giancarlo Fisichella, his former teammate, or a switch to BMW Sauber or even Toyota.
Dennis, who is about to start a summer break, acknowledged in Budapest on Sunday that Alonso’s future was the subject of serious discussion in rival teams. “There is an inevitability that these things are rumoured and discussed,” he said at the Hungaroring.
But the embattled McLaren principal was, at that stage, hoping that Alonso would fulfil his contract. “We have two drivers who are contracted for several years into the future,” Dennis said. “We will respect our part of the bargain - we hope that the drivers respect theirs, because that’s what a contract is about.”
The long-held McLaren tradition of allowing their two drivers to fight it out for supremacy on the track - which Alonso dislikes - is not going to change, Dennis added. “We will continue to function as a grand prix team with specific values and if anybody does not want to be part of those values - irrespective of where they sit in the organisation - ultimately they will have a choice,” he said. “But we will not deviate away from our values.”
McLaren have yet to decide whether to pursue their appeal against the decision by the stewards to withdraw constructors’ points in Hungary as part of the punishment handed to the team over the infamous orchestrated pitstop during qualifying.
There were signs, however, that with an appearance before the FIA Court of Appeal over the Ferrari/ McLaren spying scandal on their plate – that hearing is expected to be held in Paris at the end of this month – the team may decide to drop their appeal over the ruling in Hungary.
In Spain, the penalty handed to Alonso over the affair that demoted him from pole position to sixth on the grid has been met with outrage by the popular Asturian driver’s fans. Their cause has been taken up by the RFEA, the Spanish motorsport federation, which said it “faithfully believes” Alonso’s explanation for why he delayed leaving his pit box.
“We want to publicly show our support and absolute trust in Fernando Alonso, who has shown his professionalism and honesty during his successful sporting career,” the organisation said.
Drivers' dispute goes into overdrive
The feud between Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, the McLaren Mercedes drivers, has sparked a huge debate, which has left readers of Ed Gorman’s Formula One weblog divided . . .
“Lewis is dirty, Fernando is not. Lewis must be fired because he’s not a team man” - Legis
“Alonso has been getting rattled all season by Hamilton's challenge. He is unhappy that he isn’t being given special treatment by McLaren. It’s sad to see a champion acting so pathetically” - Rob
“It was a brilliant piece of quick thinking by Fernando both to pinch pole and to wind up his teammate. The spoilsports who pushed Alonso down the grid deprived us of seeing Hamilton settle this as a true red-blooded racing driver should” - Trevor Griffiths
I am disappointed in the way comments have been made about Alonso with a negitive nature on the television on the day of the races. Alonso is a sportman and competitive, he should have been supported more by media and his team. Ron please sort it out! Both he and Lewis have at times pushed the boundery of "competitive" it noit just Alonso.... thing about it. Fernando good luck for 2008!
Christofis, Hampshire, UK
Ron Denis should be fired ... His arrogance, ignorance and having his former british son in the team is a huge scandal. It is obviuos all the sport world is happy for what happened to Mclaren and sad for true sport , a daddy taking care all year with special treatment for his loved "son" with no respect for a former world champion. Even Alonso being not very correct at times this doesnt mean he is not allowed to be angry after making a team with no results to be in the fight . I´m sorry for sport..... Denis should be kicked off with bad manners like he does , his own medicine
Carlos Lopez, Palma Mallorca, Spain
Alonso mustn´t comeback Renault. I think that BMW has followed very close to Mclaren and Ferrari this year, and the bavarian would have a competitive car the next year, in fact, better than Renault.
LaCobra, Santander, Spain
Next year, I only hope one thing and is than Alonso will go to renault, better Ferrari, and lets Hami-McLaren in his authentic place, in the races, behind Alonso and Kimi.
Alfredo, Bilbao, Spain
Gooooo Alonso!!!! You are the best person in the Team!!
Akira, London, England
I think that Fernando Alonso is acting like a champion and that Mclaren has to treat Alonso like de driver number 1,because as Hamilton is the second driver,he has to be treat as the second one and not at the first,like Ron has done.
i think that the punishment done by the FIA was very strict but Alonso isn't guilty of that, he only show the FIA the e-mail that Ron doesn't allow Alonso to show it and that isn't Alonso's problem. i didn't defend Fernando but i think that eveybody is thinking that the problem is carried by Fernando but isn't true.
please think about it, Alonso isn't the only guilty.
cristina, madrid, spain
hi! i think that alonso isn't the only guilty in this internal problem in Mclaren. i think that both,Hamilton and Alonso have to start to work together and to try not to say that the other one is the guilty of all the things team Mclaren Mercedes has suffer. i think that they have to know to work together and with the team to show that Mclaren works like a group,team,not like an indepence team without any colaboration between his drivers.
ALONSO,ALONSO,ALONSO THE BEST!!!!!!
cristina, madrid, spain
What people seem to forget is Lewis has been with McLaren for 10 years, he has a lot of involvement in the team testing the cars with Pedro and Fernando. Fernando is a top driver no doubt, you don't win back to back world championships without talent, however i believe quite simply Lewis is a phenomenon. Much as Shumacher did he is going to dominate with McLaren. As for Fernando I do not see his future there beyond this season.
Andy, preston, uk
What has been really pathetic is like Damon Hill and mates were trying to justify Hamilton after the race saying that âwhat teams wants are pilots with character who are able to take decision by themselves, even disobey orders if necessaryâ Yeah, sure Damon you are right thatâs what teams wants definitely. Ladies and gentlemen is all right everyone can have its own opinion even if this is more a matter of patriotism supporting, just ignoring the evidence that there are unacceptable behaviours in sport. Iâm British and Iâm proud of it but what is fair is fair and I consider situations like this, a shame for the British sport.
Joe Banfield, Plymouth, Devon,UK
People from Spain we also believe Lewis Hamilton is a very good driver. We used to think that he is also a nice guy: very compettive but nice. Now we believe he is extremely competitive, but also unfair with his team, unloyal to Ron Dennis and very unpolite...... (oh, now Mac Claren says that the "F" word did not came out from Lewis mouth). The Mc Claren situation is quite pathetic.
But also the FIA, ecclestone and all the soons of the Great Britain seem to need Hamilton to win the F1 championship this year. If he wins the championship in the track that is fine for me. But I think is not nice to win the championship receiving support from FIA, Ecclestone, the quite Pathetic Ron Dennis and all the comissioners. It is still hard to believe how Hamilton car was pulled in again in the track after the rain in germany. We have never seen nothing like that. Anyway, be sure that we will see a nice championship....I hope we also see a fair one.
Manuel, Madrid, Spain, Spain
The Spanish seem to say:-
1.Alonso is better than Hamilton.
2. Equal treatment is not fair because FA helped develop the car and LH benefits.
3. FA should have fair treatment because of this - (by which they mean an advantage).
They Assume:-
That this all about the driver not the team.
They Ignore:-
McLaren is ultra competitive - no one gets anything that doesn't help the team. Mclaren are in this for Mclaren not LH or FA. both are tools to get the job done.
My Question?
If FA is better than LH - why, with identical cars and identical setup is LH leading the World championship? And if Alonso is the better, why does he not consistently beat Hamilton?
Lastly - Alonso will only leave Mclaren if he gets a chance to drive a car which he feels has a realistic chance of giving him a world championship (which would mean beating Hamilton in a Mclaren). At the moment, Alonso's best chance of beating Hamilton is to drive a Mclaren himself. I don't see him leaving Mclaren yet.
Paul , Vancouver , Canada
Well, thing´s go wrong in McLaren, they prefer a rookie than a worldchampion, it´s ok, but no good to get another world championship for McLaren. I think Alonso will left them as soon as possible, and, if Briatore gets enough to promise Alonso good staff for next year, he´ll be back at Renault, but if not, BMW will be the next to have Alonso, and with him, surely we all will have a most exciting F1, with 3 team in the fight for victory, all with chances for victory in each race.
-McLaren now has a good car, helped by Alonso, let´s see if he leaves them they have a good car also.
-Ferrari has good car no matter who drives, it´s a good team for Hamilton.
-And BMW is getting close to lead, only needs the experience of a worldchampion to pull up to victory, they have the staff.
I think it´s better for all (him, F1, Hamilton, McLaren and we that see this sport...) that Alonso leaves McLaren and goes to BMW (or Renault, if Briatore gets sponsors to Alonso´s back to the team).
Let´s see
Karim, Madrid , Spain
We all have seen Lewis Hamilton`s father and brother
on TV. Now we want to see his mother, too. The world, not only the Britons world but the whole world, loves that family.
Evo Longorio, truecity, Spain
If Ron Dennis wants to secure the F1 driver's and manufacturer's championship the current strategy will blow up in his face. The is no such thing as equal treatment in McLaren. All you need to see is the mechanic's and Team's reactions to F.Alonso's victories.
May I remind you Mr. Dennis that the sole reason why you have the endorsement of Vodaphone and other mayor sponsors is linked to the signing of F.Alonso. Furthermore, who is responsable for turning the McLaren into a winning car? I Doubt that Lewis Hamilton has the skill and experience to set-up the chassis ...
If you continue to take F.Alonso's telemetry to help L.Hamilton you are cheating the sport. That is exactly how A.Crivillé won a 500cc world championship after M.Doohan left him a perfectly sorted Honda ...
Manuel Hermida, Madrid, Spain
well, i see everybody thinks this is a war btween spain or england, well sorry it aint, the dela is that there are 2 drivers, one is a noob, who is a good driver, hamilton,and that has a great master Alonso;
Alonso doesn have nothin to demonstrate, hes the champ,Hamilton he has all the pressure, he wantsa to give back the press te help, te successs to hes fans, and thats making him the world worst worker, mate and even disrespectful with hes mentor, which to me, is totaly out of place. i would never bite the hand of those who feed me.
Its normal that Alonso is quite unhappy, when hes own team mate makes the FIA punishes you, when he is egoist with hes own term, he works for McLarenMercedes as Alonso, so if Alono obeys rules, ad Hamilton has won by them, so must HAmilton, if Alonso ain the favorte pet of ROn Dennis, Hamilton shouldnt be one either, and the best is yet to coe, when Hamilton, will look up to the champ of the title at the end of the year..ALONSO. Keep trying.
John, Sydney, Austraia
All this polemic is transformed in: Fernando Alonso + Mc Laren = championship of the world. Hamilton + Mc Laren = another one like Jenson Button. A greeting to the English liking of the F1, but is not this a little while for Hamilton, you have patience,
Juan Lopez, Leon, spain
Dear Mr R. Dennis, I would ask you only three questions. How do you want to control the competitiveness of both of your drivers when you insist in equal treatment for both at all times. Do you really think Alonso could ever get the same kind of relationship with you or McLaren than Hamilton, considering the fact that Hamilton has been born and bread in your team and is your "motoring" son, is that fair on Alonso? and finally, Would not it be fairer that each driver had his own telemetry? This would be a fair competition, not the pantomime you have got now.
middleton, durham, UK
I personnally support Alonso as he has had to work hard to became a champion....he started driving karts at the age of 3 and he wasnt sponsored by any of the big companies or official bodys in Spin until he had won so may races that everyone knew how special he was plus he has always worked very close to his teammates (engineers,etc). As far as I kow hami is that spoilt guy who has always been protected by R.D. and is racing with a car with exactly the same technical conditions that Fernando Alonso has (the same that he has been building together withs his engineers along all this years of competition.....Hami is a great driver but he is not that big person, he should respect Alonso and specially all his team mates. before acting as a champion you must deserve to be treated as champion,don you think so?
carmen, madrid, spain
To Gavin:
The team is who paid Hamilton. Hamilton disobeyed the team. Hamilton did bad .
If i would be the team manager i send Hamilton to GP2.
To Lewis:
You said that Hamilton must win because he is black? You have a problem. In this days think that is terrible. Hamiltong has a good car but he show nothig, win nothing. I hope you think about your words, here the thing not is if he is black or white is if he is cheater or not and i think that they is because he did that their team has losen points to win
Iago, A Coruña, Spain
Hamilton should be replaced by De La Rosa!!!!!!!
Dan, malaga,
After a long search I managed to find one "I hate Hamilton" posting from Australia - all the rest were Spanish names and/or addresses.
Odd that isn't it?
Mike Bibby, St Albans, England -not EU
Let's face the truth. This year McLaren will win both championships, no chance for Ferrari. But even if the champion will be Alonso again -and I'm quite sure he will-, I think Dennis will count on Hamilton for the future, since he is english and younger. Is it possible to imagine Alonso again suffering another year in a team who supports his teammate more than him? Don't think so, he must leave, and as things are now, the only possible choice to keep fighting for the champinship is Ferrari. And Alonso -I'm afraid- is the unique possible strategy for the Scuderia to win next year, since Massa and Kimi are both good at driving, but they are not comparable to the spanish in setting up and developing the car.
Let's wait and see.
and...
Forza Ferrari!
Alessandro, Genoa, Italia
Both of the current McLaren drivers are a disgrace for this team's values of integrity and loyalty :)
Gilraen, NL,
In my opinion, Alonso only was following orders from engineers, because the lolly pop was down and the mechanics working when Hamilton stopped behind Alonso's car.
The signal of the lolly pop man was an error, because Alonso was waiting for engineers signal.
In other countries all spectators colud see how a member of the team was indicating to Alonso the correct moment to start his last lap. This a link in german:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7G56TxfWKg
alexius, Sherry, Spain
To Michael Vooght: why do you consider that have the same sets in the car is to treat the same both drivers, FA&LH?.
Have you ever take into consideration that the setting to LH are systematically a copy of those set by FA?.
Hamilton is an excellent driver, but being a champion is a bit complex, even if the English F1 supports could consider that copyng the mate set up is a good basement to win the world champion. I do really think that you all have to be proud of your new rookie but be more cautios about the real situation in the team.
Don't forget that Ron Dennis had recognised that Alonso's support was essential to develope a competitive car this year, and even then you understand that the treatment is the same. Don't forget that the response should be proportional to the support and honestly I'm quite convince that the support to the McLaren Team is not being the same from FA and LH.
I would like to see your reaction if a colleage will copy any of your job to get a good result.
Ferreño, Madrid, Spain
manuel, to be faster than another you need fight with another, if Ham didn't anything he do in the last GP, he can try show us that is better than Alonso and won him, but he did it?, NO, he went crying to maFIA to take an easy victory.
In Spain that is a "cowardly"
Iago, La Coruña, Spain
I think, Alonso is afraid. Two reasons, first, he is the champion and his teammate is the top. Second he doesn´t have the support of the team, big deal.
Miguel, Bogota, Colombia
Mclaren is just this sort of organisation.
Ron Dennis leads by example - everyone in motorsport knows what he's like...the kind of man you respect but dislike
When Alonso was at Renault he was a sportsman, why? because Flavio inspires confidence and (apart from his paternity issues) is a gentlemen.
If you talk to anyone at McLaren they are suspicious and cutthroat because that is the organisation that Ron has created. Quite frankly I have every confidence that both Alonso and Hamilton are reasonable, friendly, talented individuals who through their assoc with a horrible team are becoming paranoid and suspicious.
Alonso is coming off worse but then he has more to lose.
Tom, London, UK
Ok, but if McLaren choose Hami, he will become more arogant, than he is. So he will become god allmighty in McLaren and it will be not so good for a team.... Ron have to foster his young Genius ;)
D. , Vilnius, Lithuania
You are the man Hamilton. You are very intelligent and brave to judge how to win races unlike Alonso who is demanding special favours. He has definately never come across such a talented driver as you are.
Alonso can go to another team that will give him special treatment if he is not happy.
Keep winning Hamilton and Alonso may soon go back to bull fighting taking with him his irrational spanish picadors
John Kibet Beka, Tring, UK, Herts
These extreme rivalry between spanish and british seems to be spoiled from any kind of Trafalgar syndrome heritage. Otherwise seems irrational.
Miguel, Madrid, Spain
Has ron forgotten dc and hakkinen, that didn'nt always seem a fair partnership.
chris, jones,
Viva la prensa Britanica!
Imagine the headlines if Alonso denounces it's team mate every time he is behind, denounces the team to the FIA, and insults his boss.
You take a world champion, that has come from the bottom up, and has beat Schumacker with a Renault, and show on the track on a lot of battles, and you make him look as if he is a prima dona, that can only win if he receives special treatment, or starting from the pole.
Very clever british journalists.
Jesus, Spain,
My point of view:
- the only cry-babes are hamilton, his father and ...?
- there are internal agreements that should be respected
- Hamilton has benefitted more than Alonso in the strategy of the poles
- In Hungary it corresponded Alonso to make the last turn with less gasolin(this is important to make the pole,or not?)
- Hamilton only took out him two advantage points
- If Alonso had won the career leader he had put on
- Hamilton didn't support this idea and he behaved immodestly
Hamilton doesn't have possibility to defend why it didn't accept the team orders. The shift was for Alonso, as other times it was for him. If we begin with traps wrong we will end up.
José Luis , Plasencia, España
Hammilton is another driver, Barrichelo when drive a Ferrari won GPs too, but he was really good?, he didn't.
All newspaper in England hope Ham win because they want an english winner, but really there is only one world championship driven this year and that is Fernando Alonso.
Ham stole points to his team in the last GP, stole a victory and the first position in the championship to his teammate. Mclaren don't seem to be right, last year they dismiss Montoya and he didn't steal points to his team, but now is different, Ham is english....
Is very sad see how FIA accepts this an help Ham, seems that they want Ham win too.
Prost and Senna run together too, but when Senna strikes with Prost, FIA sanctioned Senna because he was the culprit. Now seems that all body have their own interests.
I hope to be able to enjoy this sport as much as when i was a boy
Iago, La Coruña, Spain
The International Court of Appeal should penalize McLaren-Mercedes in both the Constructorâs and the Driverâs World Championship. The teamâs status should be retrograded to that one previous to the Hungarian Grand Prix. In this manner justice will be well served and the trust of the people in the sport fully restored. Consequently, Ferrari should be proclaimed the winner of the race and Hamilton and Alonso deprived of their punctuation, 10 and 5, respectively.
Paul, Toronto, Canada
Ahmad it seems you don't understand so much about Formule 1.
What lewis dis had a big impact on Alonso's. he should let him go first bcause it was his turn, as Mc Laren said, so he ould have time to make the 3rd row.
Alonso followed his boss instructions, so if anyone prevented Lewis from taking the pole was his own team, not Fernando, becasue it wasn't his turn and he had just breaken his boss instructions.
I think if anyone had to be punished, that is Mac laren never Alonso, who just did what he was told to do, but not even Mc Laren because Lewis didn't follow his instructions, first.
Alonso doen't seem a nice person. Lewis does, but I don't trust him at all. he just seems nice, and a good boy, but he is able to get his own tema in prblems even if he started everything. But with his politness and nice face gets whatever he wants.
Claire, Paris, France
Team orders are illegal in Formula 1 and for that reason McLaren were rightly punished. Alonso should have been sent to the back of the grid for blocking a fellow driver and compromising fair competition in the sport.
Why should Hamilton let Alonso pass him when going out for the qualifying session when he earned the first position by being the quickest in the practice sessions. Hamilton rightly disobeyed and illegal and unfair team order and being the smart boy that we know he could not let it affect chance of victory in Hungary. Time and time again he has outsmarted his opponent.
We all know that Hamilton holds all the aces if McLaren mess up Ferrari will be ready to welcome him with a 25-million-dollar package because he is the golden boy! Sponsors and endorsements are already piling up! Alonso era of two years is bygone!
Please come to Ferrari Mr. Hamilton!
paolo, nairobi, kenya
The Spainish are allowed to express their views here on a British national newspaper, blog unlike the Spainish newpaper "Marca" where you have to give your "D.N.I. * (or resident card)" to express an opinion. What a joke some of the Spainish lying that they are British eh eh, Alonso is a BIG CHEAT, he unable to beat Lewis, on the track so he calling for team orders. The facts and not makeup lies: First qualifying Lewis was faster with a fuelled heavier car. Second qualifying Lewis was faster with a fuelled heavier car. Third and last Qualifying session Alonso can't cope and started to cheat by holding up Lewis in the pitlane. Great decision by the FIA. Alonso should have start in the pitlane. Also Fisicella, for a peaceful life didn't compete with Alonso well Lewis, wasn't going to roll over for Alonso. I know the Spainish still think their rule the world, but the world is speaking ENGLISH NOT spainish.
Tony, Kent, England
Hamilton should be replaced by De La Rosa!!!!!!!
Dan, malaga,
By the way, what do the Queen and the Admiralty say about
all this mess?
tato dulanci, Vitoria, Spain
I don't think that Fernando wants a "special treatment by McLaren", I think he wants the same, but he doesn't have it.
Mc Laren have they own champion, Hamilton, and they don't permit that Fernando win when Hamilton has possibilitys.
In my opinion, Fernando is better than Hamilton, and I am certain that he going to win the championchip.
Lorena, Galicia,
I´m so unhappy to see how a big team as Mc Laren doesn´t work as a professional team because of all the suspicious problems that round every Grand Prix between Fernando Alonso and the team. It is ridiculous thinking that McLaren contracted the best pilot nowdays with two championships and then, the team pull down him, ridiculous but true...but if Alonso leave McLaren,which pilot will share team with Hamilton?A pilot that only think in himself and lies to FIA only to put himself awards...no pilot of 1st line in F1 will...
Sunil, Madrid,
Only two questions: How many races wan McLaren in 2006? How many points won in 2006? Alonso is something more that a great driver, he is a genius making a competitive car.
Antonio, Sevilla, España
I've never been a fan of Alonso since he's slating of Valentino Rossi when he was going to join F1. Rossi is twice the racer and ten times the man Alonso is. My personal favorite these days is Massa as he actually seems like he's enjoying himself. The best season in years is being ruined by these penalties and arbitration.
Ross, Loughborough,
I think that Alonso is, right now, the best pilot in F1 and not only for his driving but also for his preparation of the races and cars. Compare the situation of Renault with and without Alonso and the situation of McLaren last year and this year.
Nano, what you have to do is winning the championship again and go away from McLaren to no matter which team. You will make of this car the best in F1.
¡AÃPA ALONSO!
Eduardo Fernández, Valladolid, Spain
I am reading that so much people compare the maneuver of M. Schumacher in Monaco with the one of Alonso in Hungary, but they forget a thing, they were equipment orders in pit lane and not in track.
I think that Ron Dennis would have to clarify this of once, and to demonstrate that he is a good group leader punishing to the pilot who fails to fulfill his orders, in this case L. Hamilton. The equipment is the one that it has to impose discipline and its pilots to accept it, at least until this weekend, and if they don't like this, they could change F1 by dominó.
Paula Pérez, Oviedo, Spain
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not as good as Alonso yet. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows...
But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , like much more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar,
British readers - if you don't understand the Spanish angle about car set ups, I will explain.
The Spanish media have resorted to attempting to suggest that Alonso sets all the cars up, controls the mechanics, and probably bends the steel with his own bare hands to make the cars at night n his own personal garage.
Ask any driver, including Alonso, who the better driver has been this season and they will say Hamilton.
Oh, and in Banco Santanders all over Spain they have cardboard cutouts of Alonso and test driver delaRosa - none of Hamilton.
As their international football manager proved last year - racism is alive and well in Spain.
Paul Case, Bromley,
To Mr.Michael Strelitz, London,
The fact is that Alonso is already World champion..twice...He is not being helped by Mclaren (and he is not needed to be helped)..Is Setting up the car to be a winner car (thats what he was contracted for)...and fighting to be again world champion...(still possibilities to get it). Of all this facts, Hamilton is taking profit..(who would not do it in his, being in his shoes).....the only wrong thing I see in this matter is Hamilton should be cleverer and shout his mounth..thanks to Alonso and Mclaren he is got the oportunity of being champion in his first year....see Kovalainen or Alonso at the begining of their career, they fortunatelly had to learn in poor teams something Hamilton will never learn in a winner team...to be honest to what was given to him.....time always if fair with honest people and terribly cruel to behaviours like hamilton's...how can you allow a guy like this represent great Britain?Lets speak in IStambul..GOD SAVE KING ALONSO
Jose Silles, Burriana, Castellon/Spain
English team, English pilot, English media... What can "Don Quijote" Alonso do? In my opinion Alonso made a bad contract with McLaren... He, instead of sign a contract of 20Mâ¬, he sould had to sign the contract and a "clausula" saying than no English pilot sould drive with him, the champion last 2 years...
Celestino, Spain,
i´d like that all people see the photo that appeared yesterday in "diario el mundo" from Spain. This photo shows a celebration of Hamilton in Hungary and surprisingly, nobody from his team is celebrating the victory with him. In fact, he gave the champagne to BMW´s engineers. In spanish we say " It´s worther an image than a thousand of words"
Jose Luis, Zamora, España
As it happen before (last season), who is the best, no matter what, he will be. No matter what the english FIA or the english team MCLAREN-mercedes or the whole english nation, done and will do, Alonso is the future of the formula one. I understand that the english people need a champion because nobody remember who is the last british champion, F1 in UK was gone, as sport and as bussines. Now the bussines is creating a new english champion but to be honest it´s a feak one. Hamilton could be a champion but not with this conditions, the english nation is destroying him as driver and creating a media star. As F1 fan, I am very disapointed with the FIA and F1. I didn´t know they were so desperate to have a british champion and he is not even a british. SHAMEFUL
Pau, Alacant, Spain
I understand all the partisan Alonso fans who think their man should have number one status at McLaren but that's simply not how McLaren work. Before urging Alonso to demand ever more from McLaren, just remember Mclaren have been in a similar position to the current Alonso/Hamilton pairing before, Prost/Senna. It was Senna not Prost that McLaren kept. If Alonso did leave, where would he go? Ferrari instead of Massa? Not whilst Raikonnen is there, and let's face it, Ferrari are traditionally even less capable of running two number ones than McLaren. Back to Renault to redevelop thier car a second time? Maybe, but chances are they'll be uncompetitive at least part of next season, not what Alonso wants. Probably the least unlikely, all things considered, would be a swap of Alonso for Heidfeld. McLaren know Heidfeld, Mercedes would probably like a German in the car, Alonso would get a decent car with a rich team where he could be number one, unless he'd be worried about Kubica ...
E Burgess, Slough,
All these comments about Alonso setting up the car for Lewis are really odd. Does anyone have any links to prove this?
I knew they used to talk at the start of the season, but Alonso stopped sharing his setups with Lewis after a few races when Lewis was betting him.
I find these comments odd as Alonso and Lewis drive in different ways. Alonso likes tight cars that understear slightly while Lewis seams to like a loser car and drives around hanging the backend out. You can't have one setup that would accommodate these both of these styles of driving.
Andy, Cardiff, Wales
TO MR Michael Strelitz, London,
Dear Sir,
Could you please tell all people giving opinion to this "opinion furim" which F1 rules did Fernando Alonso Break? Let's study some facts happend during last Hungarian Show (because u cannot call it f1 race):
1) Hamilton desobeyed direct orders from his boss, affecting directlly his team resoluts and his teammate.
2) Hamilton did not respect fair play ordered by his team of having and extra intent of a fast lap to achieve the pole.Alonso did every time with total respect to his collegue ( and I am sure he did not agree with it)
3) He followed orders from team at boxes, and left it when he was ordered to do it.
4) with used tires, he got pole, despite the fact in first sector he was 0.3 seconds slower than Hamilton, and not only recovered them but won 0.1 second in last sector...
5) had better strategy to win the race
After all these facts, he only lost 5 points, and keeps alive in championship.....It is a hurt bull, we will see who wins
Jose Silles, Burriana, Castellon/Spain
This thing about Hamilton being only great because of "copying" Alonso's set-up is ridiculous! They have totally different driving styles. I have big doubts Lewis could make much use of Alonso's set-up. Or if he does and can beat Alonso with Alonso's set-up, what does it tell us about Lewis's skills and/or about Alonso's? Then, what will happen when Lewis finds his own set-up? Will he totally dominate Alonso? So if I was an Alonso fan I would think twice if I used this argument because if anything it makes their hero look weak, if it's indeed true! But of course, I don't want to deny that Hamilton can benefit from having Alonso as a teammate. That's natural as he is a rookie and he is clever enough to learn from a more experienced guy. I'm sure Alonso did the same with Trulli in 2003-04.... What Hamilton admitted once, was not using "Alonso's set-up", but the data he collected. But are you sure it never happened the other way around? Because I am not.
Suzy, Miskolc, Hungary
Well It's something that most F-1 Fans could easyly find out. A double champion like Alonso would never stay longer in a team where the "fair" competition between drivers exist only in Ron Deni's words. It's so obvious that Hamilton is not ready to prepare a F-1 car, and has been copying all the setting up during all the seson. In addition some "uspicious" accidents wit Alonso's car, also the las pole try done with used tyres due to a misterious lack of preassure in the new tires... so many coincidences make me think that Mclaren and Ron Denis never played fairly with Alonso. good luck in BMW or Ferrari. You are the champion. Hammilton will do nothing with out a champion who can prepare his car.
August Erbrinch, Düsseldorf, Deutschland
this discussion at least it's being civilized so let's keep it like that. To all my spanish comrades, chill it ok, Fenando earns 20 milliom pounds a year, most of us here 1000 euros. Poor Fer?
To the English comrades, the reason why so many Spanish people here is because yesterday el mundo,a major paper in our country published a headline saying"according to the Times, Alonso will leave McClaren". So everyone who supports Fer seems to have log in the times.Now as you can see I'm communist, Viva Hugo Chavez and the bolivarian revolution.
Carmen Martinez, lugo, spain
Nice bussiness, pretty nice. For McLaren and Media.
Anthony, Granada, Spain
Alonso the best!!!!!!
Pozi, Sevilla, Spain
Alonso simply obeyed his team. He stayed stopped in the pit lane because his team demanded it. Then can somebody explain me why Alonso was punished??
Oscar, Madrid, Spain
Ron should sack Alonso, he has disgraced the team, and possibly the lost points will cost them the constructors title.
Why does Mclaren need Alonso now?, Hamilton has shown ability beyond anybodys wildest dreams, give Lewis the fat salary, and give another young British driver a chance.
Steve Barnett, Chafford Hundred Essex, UK
Lets face it Alonso is rattled and dosen't think he can beat lewis on the track - so he trys to bend the rules - glad he got punished , but i think Lewis would have won anyway
ID, Lei, UK
Only person who disobeyed team orders was Hamilton. Hamilton isn´t a men of team he is a daddy boy with a expensive car.
jorge, Madrid, España
This is quite confusing overall. Let's say Fernando was lying and he consciously waited in the paddock so Hamilton could not take his last lap, why then is the whole team punished? If it was Alonso's decision only him should have been punished by the stewards... And if the decision came from the team, why is Alonso also punished? This is what does not make sense to me...
pax, barcelona,
Alonso has to go to Ferrari and doing it the next year Mr Dennis will cry for his come back. Fernando is the best driver and has to drive the best car. About Lewis, everybody saw his "fairplay", no comments.
Toni, Gijon, Spain
Ron Dennis, you should learn how to give the same deal to your drivers and mainly try to deal Fernando Alonso how he deserve. You don't know how to appreciate to a true champion and that makes that anyone want of leaving from that team. I also think that you should control your dear Hamilton, because he´s more egocentric, I am not going to deny that he´s a great driver, but Fernando Alonso is better than him. Dennis, you have to begin to give you count of the great champion that you have to your side: Fernando Alonso.
Alex, CyL, Spain
Well Grouch0, don't you mean that traditionally the pijo always thinks they should have special treatment...
Julian, Barcelona, Spain
Hamilton can say bad words to his boss on the radio, he is over law and order. He can drop his soap piece waiting for Ron to catch, they can have fun together dancing in The Blue Oyster... Alonso go BMW, where your family will be welcome and your fine-tune work on the car won't be used by a loser.
Before last race I thoght Hamilton was a brilliant racer. Next will be drugs, women and fall, remember these words...
Jose, Madrid, Spain
Alonso has worked much for the equipment, with the car. They do not have respect to him and they are not right with him. From Oviedo, Spain .........Greetings to the champion!
Gabinu de Lorenzo, Ovetus, España
Will I think the decision of the FIA was unfair for Alonso because he is clean where you can clearly see that Ron Dennis and his Meclaren team are supporting Hamilton just to be an icon to the future so that they can say we as in Mclaren got a new legend who is the British guy from a British company & team.
I wish Alonso all the best and the championship this year.
Ahmad, Riyadh, K.S.A
in a british team...
with a british boss...
with a british owner of formule 1
please alonso go to ferrari!!
nori, seattle, u.s.a.
Alonso deseverved both his WC crowns of that I am in no doubt, the problem lies in that Lewis is just faster than him & Alonso is not prepared to let a rookie beat him to #1 driver.
Personally I cant see Alonso going back to Renault, although I get a feeling Red Bull could be an option. What better to prove your skill than winning with a fledgling squad? The connections are there...
Chris, Bristol, UK
(cont.)
I also remind you that when Robert Kubica raced in World Series, his team was an Spanish one.
So, this is Spain ... a great country with great sportmen.
Alberto, Bilbao, Spain
Hamilton is a great baby that use the Alonso´s work
to win. I like to see run Hamilton without Alonso´s dates
Yes, Fernando is a stupid person but is the best runner in
this moment.
Juan Antonio, Spain
Juan Antonio Moreno, Barcelona, Spain
I will not enter to discuss whether Alonso delayed Hamilton's pit intentionally or instructed by his team, but I would like to comment on those news that suggest that his action is similar to that of Schumacher at La Rascasse in last year's Monaco GP. I find two significant differences, as follows: a) Schumacher and Alonso belonged to two different teams; and, b) Schumacher delayed Alonso's last flying lap after having secured his and knowing that Alonso was improving his initial sector's times. In Hungaroring, Alonso had not secured his pole by the time his team mate was delayed. Hamiliton had entitled the pole at the time.
Marcelino, Oviedo, Spain
The biggest problem here is that this sport is run by the British and they appear to be frighten of the English-media. I am getting very tired of James Allen bias reporting. This was really noticeable about the 'Alonso incident' because it was done to Hamiliton, Allen was outraged, yet Damian Hill thought that it was good fun and just something between the two drivers and thought events like that made F1 more interesting (True). However on the Sunday, Hill seemed to have change his tune and agreed that Alonso should have been punished. Whatever the right or wrongs of the incident, who suffered, so why such a severe punishment for Alonso who was 2 points away from Hamilton in the Drivers league - perhaps that is the answer. Formula One has done themselves no favours here.
Frank Clement-Lorford, Guildford, Surrey
Both Hamilton and Alonso are great drivers.
Alonso is a much faster thinker.
What happened saturday (during the pit stop an before) is a demonstration of guts from both of them, and what shouldn't have happened is that some people with no guts at all interfere in their great show. Call me romantic, but i am really fed up with drivers that act like computers, team strategies, pit lane prime donne... I much prefer HUMAN pilots that sometimes act stupid and sometimes call for vendetta! I wish we all could see Hamilton's reaction on sunday if Alonso was on pole.
I think that Hamilton has yet a LOT to learn, let's not forget that last year McLaren was making 8th and 9th, and that Alonso made a TERRIFIC work this winter, and that Hamilton is driving Alonso's development of that McLaren.
So, all my support to Alonso, whom i hope will never get to Ferrari!
Federico, Bergamo, italy
Hamilton´s behaviour is simply unacceptable. Ron Dennis must show Hamilton who is the boss. If McLaren prefers Hamilton rather than Alonso this will be the end of McLaren and Ron Dennis. It is clear. Time will tell.
Carlos, Barcelona, Spain
Lewis didn't let Alonso through when ordered by the team, then Alonso spots a way to get his own back. End result, 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other! Just a shame the stewards ruined it by giving Alonso a stupid penalty. A straight fight is what everyone wants to see. To succeed in most sports, and particularly F1 you need to be determined and selfish - qualities both McLaren drivers possess! So, unlike many other posters find it hard to blame one driver more than the other. If only the racing was as interesting as what happens off the track it'd be so much better. Take a look at WSB or MotoGP if you want to see people actually overtake each other. I hear that's been banned in F1 these days....!
Richard, Guildford, UK
When Alonso leaves McLaren, Hamilton loses, time to time... Alonso is the best!!! change team now!!!
Juan, Madrid,
Hamilton and Alonso are great pilots but the one who has betray the team is Hamilton. Do you think anyone would like to be the partner of Hamilton? Can Mclaren trust in Hamilton? In my opinion no.
jeh, Bcn, spain
the alonso & hamilton ding dong is fantastic, it is exciting and ti makes you wonder what is going to happen next, formula one has been crying out for this for years in fact since prost v senna. do you remember two seasons ago when it was more boring than curling. come on get a grip everyone its motor racing. role on the next race - maybe we will see them square up to each other - wicked!!!
stewart, southampton,
Well, the only one thing which has been proved is that Hamilton did not want to listen the team instructions. What Alonso did or not did, it is still to prove, except for the race marshalls who already found Alonso guilty.
On the other hand, no rules exist to punish what Alonso has done even if he did it intentionally.
In my opinion this is Ron's fault he is the one who should clear all this and he shluld have done this a long time ago.
Alonso will success in any team, because he has the experience of years as a test pilot and 2 world championships, he does not need this. As per Hamilton, well we can not denied he is an extraordinary pilot... but that is it so far.
Luis, Belfast, Ireland
Now after watching all this happennings for bad sportive spirirt, only we have to wait for WhiteHand Sportive Spirit to Take Supernatural Effect. Now, as some do strange things, WH will take effect. Prepare your souls to enjoy sportive justice. There are races to the end and no one must laugh od Destiny Power Over Human Bussiness. Who will Win Championship? jajajajajajajaaj
Justis, Spain, Of Course
I am sure that Alonso is the best driver now. Hamilton is good, but I think he is overprotected. If McLaren prefers that Alonso is in another team, next year Ron Dennis, Hamilton and his daddy will cry every weekend. They will do it too in all the races until the end of the season.
Mario, Valladolid, España
Good, its a few articule on english press that say truth.
The situation is very bad for Ron Dennis who is going to lose the pilot who has given the maximum them of his cars. Ron is the guilty.
It has not prepared the entrance of Hamilton in the F1 suitably and now it has a bad-mannered and allowed pilot that thinks that he is the best one of the world without win nothing.
Hamilton must had been learn of F. Alonso at least this year. Now single I hope that Fernando we go away so that really to which we like formulates 1, does not like the form in which he has treated to him there, and we want to enjoy the conduction of the ânanoâ in any other escuderia.
Javier (otro asturiano), Madrid, Spain
Alonso did wrong, but it was a team decisition, and maybe not a credible reason about the traffic. But Hamilton did wrong also, and his reason of not letting Alonso over is also ridiculous and he acted like a child and not like a profesional. I am not defending Alonso because as I said, I think he did wrong, but for the English press looks like Hamilton did nothing wrong and that he is a good and perfect man, what it is not, not yet, sitll has to learn to be professional.
Migel Arregi, Bilbao, Spain
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not yet as good as Alonso. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows...
But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , as many more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer and a disgrateful, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar, Gibraltar
Who is the father of Lewis Hamilton? The boss of FIA
Rob, Burgos, España
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not as good as Alonso yet. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows... But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , like much more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar,
FIA demoting Alonso to sixth saying it is for the sake of the sport is pitying. If they love the sport so much, why not let Hamilton show his skills as driver in the tarmac trying to overtake Alonso?
Does anyone remember Hamilton overtaking someone in front of him?
By the way, if I'd followed team orders and got demoted and the one who doesn't got a premium, I'd think twice to stay in that team.
LucÃa, Madrid,
I believe that McLaren is not considering where they were last year, and where they are right know. One of the main reasons why the car is performing so well is Alonso. So, if I were Mr Denis I would reconsider letting Alonso leave the team.
Alejandro, Madrid, Spain
Don´tt worry , my father love me. My father will talk with the police, because I must win. I´sorry for my team, may be they´ll lost his tittle, but, my father is the best.
Rafael, Madrid, Spain
I am not a fan of Alonso, but it is a bit strange that a duble world champion has so many problems in his own team. Alonso has defeated the whole champion as Shumacher in the track. I believe that McLaren is wrong choosing Hamilton over Alonso since Hamilton still has much that to demonstrate, and Alonso is the in force champion though to the English press he does not like it
Salva, Barcelona, Spain
The true character of a champion is to stay and fight it out. Hamilton is a baby who wants to quit when things get rough. He claims -Daddy, Fernando is bad- And daddy hamilton.......
Fernando, Madrid, Castilla
McLaren ins not a good team. Alonso is a world champion and is a great driver and McLaren will loose him. Well, take a foolish and traitor as Hamilton with tou!
Patricio, Madrid, Spain
English boyâ¦.The problem is that they do not let to him win!
Javier, Oviedo y Cierra España, España
Sorry Guys, you are all barking up the wrong tree! The fault lies solely with the concept that F1 (Ferrari 1st) is a sport. The idea of a sport, particularly motor sport, it that an ultimate victor can be decided in an open competition of talents racing against one and other for a number of laps. With the Hungarian Grand Prix the single factor against it being a sport is that to win, all that was required was no more than being first on the grid and your machinery lasting until the last lap. The Race track in Hungary(Like others) doesnât alow for overtaking. No overtaking, no racing. Every racing driver involved in this so called race knew this, and that is why the poll position was so important to Lewis and Alonso. Anyone watching the race would have noted for the greater part of the time Kimi had the legs on Lewis, and if overtaking was possible he would have been the winner. Likewise for the same reason, Alonso and Massa were out of position that thier cars and abilities would have dictated F1 is not a motor sport anymore it is a corperate junket organised and constrained by the big Motor Manufactures that have little interest in what used to be a leading edge âtechnical tour de forceâ. Itâs a now just a marketing branding exersise. Not being a real fan of 2 wheels, but I would have to say that if you want to see racing thatâs the only place to be, Motor-GP, Super Bikes.
Ian B, Reading, UK
To quit the team is very dramatic and uncalled for. If the team has issues now, the correct view would be to try to sort them out long term.
It lies more in this than meets the eye I think. Perhats Alonso is anticipating a ruling againg the team in ICA i September, therefore trying to woo another team before that happens.
Hamilton, being a rookie, must act more professionally and respect the F1 game better.
Lennart, Gothenburg, Sweden
Now, JC, think in Lewis Hamilton's future without Fernando. Who is going to setup the car on Friday and Saturday for Lewis to race on Sunday? Which telemetry is going Lewis to copy? Wake up friend. Lewis Hamilton is simply nothing without Fernando's work. He's a child, and childs copy the exam from the advantage guy like in th school. The arrogance of some British as well as some American people is unbearable. Lewis is a good driver, but simply this, a good driver. F1 is much more than this. Only one thing more: Lewis, if want to be something in the future, please keep your father far away. He's destroying your shot career.
Pablo, Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain
alanso and the persons around him, has put mclaren on top, they must don´t forget that before alonso´s coming, the mercedes use to break, an the winner of the races were ferrari and renault,
hamilton is a god racer, no dubt, but without alonso´s devellopment and set ups, I´m not sure if he will be first .
take care hamilton, we know that you are "ron dennis son", but the the two times world champion, is not you . . .
eduardo, granada, spain
Hamilton is the best thing that happened to F1 in many years, but now the Federation and McLaren have taken being biased in his favour a step too far. Lewis is a great driver and he will have many chances of winning the championship fairly, so far many rules have been bent to get him in front, and that is not good for him nor for the sport.
Last Saturday he made a number of mistakes, Alonso is not his butler and he has every tight to argue with the team if they don't want to give him the tyres he wants. And Lewis shouldn't foget that they have a pact, and that it was him who broke it.
Alonso moans far too much, but Lewis has been really childish last week end, he should have the decency to shut up, everyone is working flat out for him (either fairly or unfairly) and he's not in a position to complain. And anyway, it has already been decided by the powers that be that he has to win the title, why bother making yourself a fool? Lewis grow up please, it's for your own good
Marco, Milano,
This just goes to show that Motorsport is far more interesting when there's controversy.
I'm for Lewis though, he didn't lie down and take it when in effect he's being asked to curb his instincts to win. He must have been thinking it was a race of some sort!?!
It was Alonso who came off worse as he came off as a preening peacock, hurt by his loss of celebrity. The game is about talent not who allows another to win!
Tom, Leeds, UK
Bernie Ecclestone must be rubbing his hands in glee as this "controversy" is the only thing livening up an otherwise DULL season ...
In the past I frequently skipped the qualifying and watched the race - now it could just as well be the other way round. Qualifying is much more interesting.
Jacqueline Martin, Azores, Portugal
It´s a disgrace that a spoilt brat is the reason that the champion feels he has to leave a team that wanted him for his experience and wisdom in this sport of gentlemen. Hamilton should show some humility, he´ll have his day but at least he should earn the glory and not steal it. Shame on you Hamilton, you give England a bad name.
Alexandra Ashcroft, Barcelona,
The orders to Fernando were given by the team as they both said later in the press conference. It makes no sense punishing Alonso, as it was a team decision. Before that, Lewis was told 7 times to stop and let Alonso pass and he didn´t.
They are both quick, but the main difference is that Alonso has had to fight himself and be where he now is, and Hamilton has been a pretty litle boy who has had everything too easy to be where he now is.
Eventhough, Alonso is showing his character, resistance and good head dealing with what is starting to be a nightmare for him.
Odviously he should leave Mclaren at the end of this year and whay not, take a year off and see if we miss him or not.
Mclaren and the English press are stopping the carreer of who is probably going to be one of the top three of the history with Shumi and Senna.
Juan Manuel, Madrid, Spain
It is a really shame for the championship, because in this season we have a good competitions with 2 teams and 3 great drivers (Fernando, Kimi and Hamilton). In this case, we really hope to a peace solution in mclaren teams. I will never forget the fernando´s capacity to win the championship. Remember, this spanish was successful 2 championship (driver and constructors) with a great victory over Michael Schumacher and Ferrari.
Sandro, São Paulo, Brazil
Hamilton was the chief culprit in the Hungarian fiasco.
Firstly, he refused to to follow team orders and allow Fernando to pass him during qualifying with the excuse that he feared Kimi passing him. This, with 15 minutes of qualifying remaining. It wasn't a race at the time but qualifying so what did it matter if the Ferrari did pass him?
Secondly, having knocked both cars out of synch with his F.U. attitude he was then ordered to slow down on his in lap as Fernando was in the pits. Did he take any notice? Silly question. Still in his F.U. mood he arrived early for tyre change. The rest is history. The behaviour of a spoiled brat. In an interview on ITV he remarked his favourite song was " Let It Go "... of course it is.. as long as you let him go first and to hell with the rest.
Eric Jackson, London, England
It's a shame Ron Dennis no longer controls anyone in his team. I believe Dennis did not know of the materials Coughlan was making use of, but it appears that others in the senior management of McLaren may not be so trustworthy. Similarly, Dennis obviously is totally ignored by Hamilton who treats Dennis like a whore, and that probably would not be happening unless other staff at McLaren were encouraging it.
Altogether, recent events at McLaren strike one as unravelling McLaren's facade and showing its personnel to be no better than English football fanatics.
Ed, New York,
Lewis Hamilton is only a spoild child and that's fact.I am surprised how it happen that McLaren team allow for such situation! Look at Hamilton during the press conference in Hungry. At least he could stop smiling.Becasue there was nothing to be proud about. Formula 1 is not about Hamilton and his needs. I cannot wait the moment Alonso leave the team then we all see what McLaren mean!Good Luck Alonso there is still 6 GP to run!I hope you win. Only do what you can do the best!Be Alonso we all know.
Bernadetta, Dublin, Ireland
Perhaps Alonso could be given a lap start for the remainder of the season, and Hamilton and whomever his new team mate is to be, could drive with a blind fold on for the qualifying session?
Would this satisfy Alonso and his Spanish supporters I wonder? I have to say I had missed where it said he had a God-given right to win every race without some jumped-up racing driver actually trying to 'compete' with him.
The impudence!
Of course, I don't remember Alonso affording Schumacher any favours when he joined F1? And that was why I liked him. His constant whining has changed all that though.
Mark, Birmingham, UK
Car settings do a lot in F1 and Hamilton wouldn't be where he is without Alonso's experience on setting up the car.
Maybe they should fight every race for victory as McLaren team claims to like but it seems to us in Spain that they is not a fair play because Hamilton has help from the big fish and Alonso is alone in the dark.
I think we would see Alonso is a better driver than Hamilton if they were treated the exactly same way by their team.
Pedro, Benidorm, Spain
I suspect "well-placed sources" will be having an interesting conversation with Martin Whitmarsh fairly soon...
Marcus Elwood, Brighton,
Well this supports the maxim of be careful what you wish for because it might happen..
It is nearly two years ago that Fernando intimated to Ron at a podium ceremony that he'd like to drive for McLaren..
It must seem like two decades to Ron..
At that time I don't think Ron knew whether or not he was to lose the independent genius of Kimi Raikkonen but he was resisting paying what the Finn's management (and Ferrari) thought the Kimster was worth so Fernando's chat up line must have seemed wonderful...
And I believe Fernando and Ron, for entirely different reasons, just loved the idea of getting one over on Flav, who must have been incandescent that Mr Alonso, whom he managed, had done his own deal with Ron...
Ron even decided to break the news early...all the better to discompose Renault...
And what are we left with...
A McLaren dream team that is more nightmare...in that it is tarnishing the very image that Ron holds so dear... the perfect season turned to ashes..
Poor Ron...
Cat, London, England
I just want to say to Brian Bonner that even himself can't honestly believe that the two drivers are equally treated by McLaren. We all have seen that it is not the case. If you really believe what you say, I think, my friend, that you don't know much about Formula One
Alex, Geneva, Switzerland,
Don't forget that Alonso is not only good at driving, but also at supporting the engineers to develop the car and making it much more competitive. Hamilton has taken adavantage of all backoffice work made by Alonso, would have won Hamilton any race w/o Alonso in the team? I don't think so. GO for them Alonso !!! Win the championship and show all brits who you are.
Carlos, Madrid, Spain
I am Spanish and proud to have this great pilot since(as,like) he is Fernando Alonso. It(he,she) is not for offending but I believe that hamilton is a spoiled baby that not to worked to be in an equipment(team) of these heights.
Big as Alonso and Shumacher they began from 0. Now this baby is not going to come to fastidarle his(her,your) world one.
And let's not forget the helps that it(he,she) receives of the FIA. that I surprise the English FIA and the pilot also. The ambrientas you win of that an English pilot gains(earns) the world one they this one being hot. Despues with what with button a promise that I explode. Let's not let's want maple tree to a champion with the help of the english men. that it they play in the track, not with your influence.
Manuel Cabello, Barcelona - Terrassa, Spain
I totally agree with Trevor Griffiths. Both Alonso and Hamilton should have been able to end the feud between them both on the track. It would have been a much more exciting race for the viewers. Alonso should have been able to keep his pole.We were deprived of Hamilton showing his worth!! Would M.Schumacker been trated the same way as Alonso..I dont think so. He got away with much much more!!! EJ
Eric, Whitchurch, Hampshire
F1 is a Circus and this affair is feeding the pockets of F1 authorities. For sure it will increase the TV audiences, every body wanting to see whatâs coming next.
Hamilton and Alonso are not angels, they are the same as all others drivers, they want to win, but they have to follow the rules if them exist, but not arranged to dark interest.
McLaren seems to be a boat that itâs going to shipwrecked if the steersman is not able to recover the control. I will recommend to Ron Denis to interchange the engineer and teams between them.
FIA, Bernie and British media, please donât change the rules, be honest and donât interfere, give the same opportunity to Hamilton and Alonso.
We will see the FIA honesty, next days. Maybe Ferrari has the opportunity to win the championship.
Ramon, Barcelona, Catalunya
I think that english f1 fans, english companies, english sponsors and mclaren need an english champion for F1. After many year of german supremacy with Michel, now is possible and there is no price to get this one. Alonso didn't think that his teammate would be so good driver, and so dirty as well, but now he hasn't any opportunity to win the F1 championship. Mclaren, english media and "english F1" won't let this one. All people know the power of england in F1. The problem is that Hamilton is english in an english team. I think the best option for Alonso is to get out of Mclaren and go to BMW or Ferrari. Germanies and italians are less needed of titles in F1.
Sheen, Sevilla, Spain
This incident reminds me another one in 1998 at the NBA AllStar game. Michael Jordan was about to retire and in one crucial play of the game, the then freshman Kobe Bryant was with the ball in one corner, Jordan was on the deffense directly in front of Kobe. Then the great Karl Malone stepped in to set a post for Kobe which rudely rejected the post to challenge Jordan face-to-face. Kobe made a waist-move past Jordan but did not get the basket. Reporters at the time talked about the young challenger to His Airness and how he would became the next big player.
Years have passed, His Airness is greater than ever and Kobe now knows that youth lasts for little, being continously involved in inside-team incidents (not taking into account a law incident).
So now Alonso, Master of Difficulties will prevail. Remember the stupid penalization for aerodynamic wake on Massa, remember the even more stupid mass-damper affair and the Schumi tricks, AND ALONSO PREVAILED.
Eric G, Mexico City,
There have been a lot of people (mainly Spanish) suggesting that Ron Dennis and McLaren are favouring a British driver because they are a British team. I honestly don't think this is the case. Otherwise David Coulthard would be a double world champion by now, but he was never favoured by McLaren, it was a fair fight between him and his teammate which he often lost!
It seems strange that having arguably the best driver in the field and a rookie that they should throw away a championship by being unfair now. I understand you guys are upset but all of us make mistakes. Lewis swore at Ron in the heat of an adrenalin rush moment after quali, Alonso paid Lewis back for not honouring their agreed procedure with a similar red mist.
Things are never going to be easy with two highly competitive people in the same team, who seem to be matching each other. Hamilton's a good driver - Alonso is too, but no-one expected Lewis to be where he is now!
Rob Allwright, Pool, UK
It is so funny to throw away a two times champion in F1 when Mercedes did not win anything for a long time and just him defeated a seven times champion with a wonderfull car and been him a second division car. Unfortunelly, when he wnet to Mercedes and took the car to the utmost level and his teamate took adventage of it, everybody forgot where Mercedes has been for so many years. I would like to see Hamilton the next year by himself in Mercedes and Fernando in BMW. I would bet that without Fernando, Hamilton is nothing and Fernando would be world champion in two years. BRAVO for Denis because if it is not for Fernando you would be smelling Ferrari smoke as you have been these last years and will be in the future. CAMPEONISIMO ANIMO, Spain is behing you a 100%.
Daniel, MALAGA, SPAIN
The English press this blinded with Hamilton. Not yet to cattle nothing, but but it burdens is that either it does not seem that contributes something to the equipment. All the opposite does a skinny favor to him with his continuous commentaries. I am a fan of always to formulates 1, the policy of Mclaren always has liked. Alonso even having 2 championships of the world, has something of excuse then not in vain is new in Mclaren and she even must conform itself. Nevertheless Hamilton does not have excuse some since she takes to all the life in this equipment and deveria to consider it like his family and not to betray it so that in he himself they criticize it. Hamilton is a vain child and ambitious who does not know itself by where he is going to never leave, in this occasion I believe that it is a ravieta by the one of Germany. Alonso I am sure that it ended up so making best for the equipment the Mclaren and as has demonstrated spear now in other sites.
javier, Medina del Campo,VA, Spain
I think its brilliant that a two time world champion is being completey outclassed and shown up by a rookie driver. I think if he went to Ferrari he would be shown up by Raikkonen and start throwing his toys out the pram again. In fact i'm not convinced they'd take the spoilt brat. If he is such great driver why isnt he way out in front of his rookie team mate and everyone else? The truth is when he is faced with a far more level playing field in terms of car performance across the teams and has a highly skilled and level headed team mate driving the same car he doesnt come out looking very good at all. I've never rated him that much prior to this season despite his world championships, he has just been greatly lucky in the past in having the superior and more reliable car and a far weaker team mate, now its all changed his abilities have been well and truly shown up. Not surprised there are such annoyed comments here originating from spain, how dare a rookie be better than your champ.
Jason, Birmingham, UK
I think that Fernando does not have memory at all; I remember last year on Monacoâs Grand Prix, when Schumacher stop his car on a revolve, and blocked Fernandoâs fast lap. That day, he start crying, and went directly to FIA, in order to complain for this. Schumacher was punished, and Alonso took the pole position.
Well in the Hungarian GP, he blocked Lewis, but he think that he deserve another kind of treatment. This is a shame.
What really happen in here is that Alonso is realizing that he isnât as good as the Spanish media say. He won 2 world champions with a superior car, and with a dummy as a team mate (what Alonso is now desiring). Lewis Hamilton is the next Schumacher, a cold blooded driver.
I agree with the fact that Lewis donât let him pass, because he is fighting for the championship, and I suppose he is going to win it.
I hope that Mc.Laren never switch their policies, and donât give orders to their drivers, because at the end, the best driver must win, thatâs what F1 is all about.
Miguel Rodriguez, Barcelona, Catalonia
I believe the best man wins on the grid and not through team orders or special treatments.
If Hamilton or Alonso wins, it's because one of them was best in that specific race.
The way Alonso had been acting and has spoken about the team is, in my opinion, not the way a Champion should act.
He shouldn't need special treatment and undisputed no.1 position within the McLaren-team. He should be able to win no matter what circumstances... if you can't handle that, you're mentally not as strong as a real Champ should be.
But, it's hard to be beaten by a rookie off course time after time...
Kim, Utrecht, Netherlands
The source said last night: âMy understanding is that heâs been told he can go because theyâre so fed up with himâ.
Hardly surprising. His constant crying and whining must drive them all mad. I wouldnât mind seeing what Jenson Button can do in a quick car, if that could be arranged. Heâs a man, and strong enough mentally to stand up to Lewis and earn his respect. If it were a direct swap for Alonso, he would be driving with Barrichello, so it would have the added advantage that the Spanish motoring federation could direct their members to drive the Brazilian newspapers mad - and the Times could get back to normal.
Ray, London,
What should we make of the fact that it was Hamilton's dad that brought the pit lane issue in Hungary before the FIA? Had Alonso started from pole, the championship would be tied right now. What are you waiting for Fernando? Join Ferrari already and wipe the floor with Hamilton.
Jake, New York City,
It is all quite clear, isn't it? A little bit of theatre by Dennis and Hamilton to make us believe they were angry with eachother, whilst there common aim is to frustrate Alonso so much till he resigns.
Paul, Eindhoven,
Boring! Alonso earns £20 milliom a year, Hamilton I guess somehting similar and do you think they care about these stupid so called war? they must be now enjoying a nice lobster in a 7 star hotel thinking how rich they are and how stupid we all are by worrying about them. Really i don't care about Alonso and I'm from Spain where so many people are out of order with their comments.I bet they are just school kids on holiday like me without nothing to do but be on the computer. I think Hamilton is so hot , so gorgeous, so guapo, guapisimo that I'm happy for his victories as i get visual pleasure looking at him. Are there many Hamilton looking guys in England?Please let me know asap as i will book a holiday straight away, i'm in love, i think i found the perfect man.Lewis te quiero, te adoro, te amo
Carmen Morales, Marbella, spain
manolo, hamilton is good, actually a top driver, howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, alonso has talent, is a gifted, just senna had the same gift, also valentino has that gift, alonso is magic, and hamilton will never belong o the olimpus of the gifted, i am sorry mates, you can say whatever but al f you knows the beauty of a man who has been built up on his dream. hamilton has had everything since his beggining, alonso and hs family fought for a dream and hs gift has been granted by God. nochance he is different, he can make worldchampion to any team, hamilton just can be chamion if berny helps him. God bless you
manolo, sevilla, spain
Obviously Hamilton is a good hope in Formula One, but what you have to notice is that now you have the number one in your team. I don't mean that you have to make favours to him, but you don't have to make favours to Hamilton either. The British Media only criticizes Alonso for his delay in boxes, but you don't mention that Hamilton ommitted a team order. So, who is the bad one in this film? You have two very good pilots. Take advantage of it this year because it's clear that Alonso won't be next year in a team where he is not wanted and appreciated.
Jose Oteros, Cordoba, Spain
Hey Max... just notice that Hamilton is quite young and don't have Fernando's skills to prepare the car: he just copy what Fernando does in his car. Of course, Hamilton is quite fast with the same car, that's true, but a good driver is more than running fast and you will see next year. In the other hand, all you brits, must know that in the last Grand Prix, Alonso had to make one more qualifying lap than Louis, the last one and he was just waiting to his engineer to tell him to go. Hamilton shouldn't be there waiting to Fernando, that wasn't planned by Ron Dennis. And even if Fernando would go five seconds before, the time he spent waiting, Hamilton wouldn't make it, he wouldn't arrive before the time was over. Check the images and the times.
I'm a Fernando fan, even if I say he's just an asshole sometimes... but please, Hamilton is even worse, no driver likes him and he looks really fake, oh my god, he is so!
We'll see next year, and please get +information before saying something
Kim, Barcelona, Spain
It's interesting to see all these myths Spanish users write here about Alonso (he developed McLaren, Hamilton is only good because of Alonso's setup, etc. etc.). Now I have an idea about what they are fed with by the Spanish media. And they call the British media biased? Funny.
And no, Alonso did not wait so long in the pits on Saturday because the team ordered him to do so! Please learn to add one and one! If he acted on team orders why on Earth was Ron Dennis so angry with him and his personal trainer after the qualifying? The first reaction is always the most honest! Look at Dennis' first reaction!
Also look at the press conference after the qualy! Alonso's body langauage tells it all: he didn't look like a man happy with his success! Instead he looked like somebody who knew he did something wrong.
Suzy, Miskolc, Hungary
All twisted. Obviously the Spanish papers are going to stand by Alonso and English ones will do the same with Hamilton.
NOBODY in Spain doubts Hamilton is a very FAST driver, but that's about the only reason to respect him around here. He is a spoilt baby (ROOKIE!), doing whatever he wants and crying when not given so. He cried in Monaco when he was told to pit 3 laps earlier to PROTECT him from a safety car (Remember what happened to Alonso in Canada?) and forced an investiagtion AGAINST his OWN TEAM. Same in Hungary, although this time he succeeded. "No interest is more important than my own, to hell with the team's" He must have thought. And all that after ignoring radio instructions to let Alonso by in Q3.
How on Earth do all the UK fans if Alonso held Hamilton ON PURPOSE??? Are tapes with the radio transmission given out?
Look: If he did it on purpose, I am fine with the Penalty, just like I was with Schumi in Monaco 06. But proved thus far: ALONSO JUST FOLLOWED TEAM ORDERS!!
Ignacio, Madrid, Spain
I´m spanish and a Fernando Alonso fan. The first thing I have to say is that independently of the equality McLaren wants to give to both his drivers should also have some rules and discipline. It is unfair to say that both drivers will have the same oportunities when one of them disobey orders from the team during the qualifying laps and nothing happens. If Alonso delayed his las qualifying lap was only because of his team and because the set of tyres they put on were not the ones agreeded beforehand. He was talking to his team boss to clarify that. Do anybody think that a driver like Fernando Alonso, or Michael Schumacher in his time, need this kind of tricks to win a world championship? I do honestly believe and there´s nothing wrong with that (but to say it clearly) that McLaren prefers british Hamilton to the Spanish Alonso. In the other hand Formula 1 is loosing a lot, because many decisions are made in offices and paper rather than in the track. God Save Alonso. Cheerio folks
JOSE ORTEGA, Tarragona, Spain
It's certainly livened things up around here.
As a Brit I have lived in Spain for 5 years (hablo español perfectamente) and before Alonso came along nobody in Spain (and I mean nobody) took the slightest bit of interest in Formula one. Now the entire country is ready to go to war with "los ingleses piratas" and a whole range of insults (many racist). The Spanish press and the Spanish blogs have one argument, that is, that Hamilton stuck two fingers up to the boss and went his own way. This has caused outrage in Spain with people foaming at the mouth and spitting blood. The Spanish are in general a v.respectful people which is why they are hopping mad with Hamilton and his disrepect. But what you (the Spanish) have to understand is that sticking 2 fingers up to the boss is an ancient English tradition. You do it, it's done, it's over. Hopefully you don't get sacked. España por favor, get over it, calm down, game on...
Tom, La Coruña, España
So, Alonso was egoist following team orders and Hamilton was right disobeying?¿
Amazing how can brits be so fans not to use brains a bit...
Rafa, Burgos, Spain
It's really funny: Ron Dennis owns a team. He gives an order to Alonso once he's gained the pole. Lewis disobeys this order. Alonso gets the worse, Hamiltom blames Dennis and Dennis PREFERS Hamilton to Alonso. I must say that to be british is a plus in MacLaren, no matter what kind of people you are.
Enric, Barcelona, Spain
for me Roon Dennis has a serious problem to manage people, So I believe that it will be important to create a comitee of crisis,
In that commitee has to be the drivers, their managers and mechanics
Actually Mc Laren is working like Ferrari many many years ago, where the drivers were divided and the mecanics also, I want to mean two companies into one
claudia, capital, argentina
Have you think what it would happend if Fernando disobey team orders for 6 times??
How big the penalty would be?
Hamilton did it and...NOTHING HAPPENS !!!!
Hamilton has take out his mask and has show his real face to the whole world.
We´ll see how good driver Hamilton is the next year, when the "master" move to other team.
santiago, madrid, SPAIN
Team orders are illegal in Formula 1. Hamilton is right to disobey team orders. He was leading fastest in the first practice sessions so why should he let Alonso through, totally unfair. What Alonso did is amateurish and plain right stupid and he should not complain about the penalty! In my opinion he should have been thrown to the back of the grid. McLaren's or Ron's explanations of what happened was just laughable. He was actually admitting that Hamilton disobeyed team orders to let Alonso pass and that Alonso was responding to that (The explanation can actually have McLaren disqualified, I think they know that thats why they are not appealing the verdict)
Myself am a Ferrari fan but I admire Lewis, I hope the rumours of US$35Million bid to get him are true!
paolo, nairobi, kenya
Any 2-time WDC would be fuming if the team that so proudly announced you joining in would be blatantly handing all your efforts and know-how to a new comer that has been stupid enough to shout at his own boss (with rather rude words) over the radio (and then his boss doing NOTHING).
Just give Alonso his car and let Hamilton set-up his own... If anyone has the slightest doubt about the result, please review Silverstone'07.
Javier, Sevilla, Spain
Alonso´s behavior is typical for southern mentality - nothing new and within the tradition on selforientation and irresponsibility. It must be really hard for the F-1 teams to hire these so-called stars,
Leo , brno , czechia
Has anybody thought about the implications for the sponsors? I can imagine Vodafone or even Mercedes thinking that whatever the decision is it will affect their image in UK or Spain. I would be very disappointed with the way McLaren has handled this situation. They should have foreseen that Hamilton was going to be that good. Why this always happens to McLaren? I think there are several lessons to learn for McLaren, the sponsors and any race team wanted to hire Alonso (he is not able to deal with competition in his own team) or Hamilton (he is not able to accept an order from his team if it is against his interests). But also for the media who are only saying half-truths to engage more people in watching TV or reading newspapers. And for me (what am I doing writing this when I should be going for a walk?).
Alfonso, Eastleigh, UK
Yep, Alonso is not taking Hamilton's performance well. He's a bit spoilt after two championships and I have the impression that he expected some deferential treatment at McLaren.
Hamilton...well, he is another spoilt brat, though I have to give him that he's gone gaga even before he wins his first.
Last weekend we saw how Hamilton refused six times (that is 6) to let Alonso pass, as per gentlemanâs agreement that each one will have the last lap in alternate GPs. He disobeyed his team's orders to damage Al