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Fernando Alonso has been informed by Ron Dennis, the McLaren Mercedes team principal, that he can leave at the end of this season, well-placed sources have told The Times.
The Formula One rumour mill is in full flow over the future of Alonso after his role in the vain attempt to prevent Lewis Hamilton, his teammate, from taking pole position during qualifying for last weekend’s Hungarian Grand Prix.
The source said last night: “My understanding is that he’s been told he can go because they’re so fed up with him. Ron is just very p***ed off with both of them [Alonso and Hamilton].”
Alonso, who is contracted to the Woking-based team until the end of 2009 on a salary of about $20 million (£10 million) a year, has indicated in remarks to the Spanish media that his future at McLaren is in doubt, as have key advisers in his entourage.
Even before the row over the attempt to delay Hamilton, sources close to the Spanish driver were making it clear that he was unhappy at the team and was dismayed at what he regards as McLaren reneging on their initial deal to make him the lead driver.
The prospect of Alonso leaving McLaren has encouraged speculation in the paddock about where the double and defending world champion may go. Among the possibilities are a move to Ferrari, at the expense of Felipe Massa, a return to Renault, where he would probably replace Giancarlo Fisichella, his former teammate, or a switch to BMW Sauber or even Toyota.
Dennis, who is about to start a summer break, acknowledged in Budapest on Sunday that Alonso’s future was the subject of serious discussion in rival teams. “There is an inevitability that these things are rumoured and discussed,” he said at the Hungaroring.
But the embattled McLaren principal was, at that stage, hoping that Alonso would fulfil his contract. “We have two drivers who are contracted for several years into the future,” Dennis said. “We will respect our part of the bargain - we hope that the drivers respect theirs, because that’s what a contract is about.”
The long-held McLaren tradition of allowing their two drivers to fight it out for supremacy on the track - which Alonso dislikes - is not going to change, Dennis added. “We will continue to function as a grand prix team with specific values and if anybody does not want to be part of those values - irrespective of where they sit in the organisation - ultimately they will have a choice,” he said. “But we will not deviate away from our values.”
McLaren have yet to decide whether to pursue their appeal against the decision by the stewards to withdraw constructors’ points in Hungary as part of the punishment handed to the team over the infamous orchestrated pitstop during qualifying.
There were signs, however, that with an appearance before the FIA Court of Appeal over the Ferrari/ McLaren spying scandal on their plate – that hearing is expected to be held in Paris at the end of this month – the team may decide to drop their appeal over the ruling in Hungary.
In Spain, the penalty handed to Alonso over the affair that demoted him from pole position to sixth on the grid has been met with outrage by the popular Asturian driver’s fans. Their cause has been taken up by the RFEA, the Spanish motorsport federation, which said it “faithfully believes” Alonso’s explanation for why he delayed leaving his pit box.
“We want to publicly show our support and absolute trust in Fernando Alonso, who has shown his professionalism and honesty during his successful sporting career,” the organisation said.
Drivers' dispute goes into overdrive
The feud between Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, the McLaren Mercedes drivers, has sparked a huge debate, which has left readers of Ed Gorman’s Formula One weblog divided . . .
“Lewis is dirty, Fernando is not. Lewis must be fired because he’s not a team man” - Legis
“Alonso has been getting rattled all season by Hamilton's challenge. He is unhappy that he isn’t being given special treatment by McLaren. It’s sad to see a champion acting so pathetically” - Rob
“It was a brilliant piece of quick thinking by Fernando both to pinch pole and to wind up his teammate. The spoilsports who pushed Alonso down the grid deprived us of seeing Hamilton settle this as a true red-blooded racing driver should” - Trevor Griffiths
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I am disappointed in the way comments have been made about Alonso with a negitive nature on the television on the day of the races. Alonso is a sportman and competitive, he should have been supported more by media and his team. Ron please sort it out! Both he and Lewis have at times pushed the boundery of "competitive" it noit just Alonso.... thing about it. Fernando good luck for 2008!
Christofis, Hampshire, UK
Ron Denis should be fired ... His arrogance, ignorance and having his former british son in the team is a huge scandal. It is obviuos all the sport world is happy for what happened to Mclaren and sad for true sport , a daddy taking care all year with special treatment for his loved "son" with no respect for a former world champion. Even Alonso being not very correct at times this doesnt mean he is not allowed to be angry after making a team with no results to be in the fight . I´m sorry for sport..... Denis should be kicked off with bad manners like he does , his own medicine
Carlos Lopez, Palma Mallorca, Spain
Alonso mustn´t comeback Renault. I think that BMW has followed very close to Mclaren and Ferrari this year, and the bavarian would have a competitive car the next year, in fact, better than Renault.
LaCobra, Santander, Spain
Next year, I only hope one thing and is than Alonso will go to renault, better Ferrari, and lets Hami-McLaren in his authentic place, in the races, behind Alonso and Kimi.
Alfredo, Bilbao, Spain
Gooooo Alonso!!!! You are the best person in the Team!!
Akira, London, England
I think that Fernando Alonso is acting like a champion and that Mclaren has to treat Alonso like de driver number 1,because as Hamilton is the second driver,he has to be treat as the second one and not at the first,like Ron has done.
i think that the punishment done by the FIA was very strict but Alonso isn't guilty of that, he only show the FIA the e-mail that Ron doesn't allow Alonso to show it and that isn't Alonso's problem. i didn't defend Fernando but i think that eveybody is thinking that the problem is carried by Fernando but isn't true.
please think about it, Alonso isn't the only guilty.
cristina, madrid, spain
hi! i think that alonso isn't the only guilty in this internal problem in Mclaren. i think that both,Hamilton and Alonso have to start to work together and to try not to say that the other one is the guilty of all the things team Mclaren Mercedes has suffer. i think that they have to know to work together and with the team to show that Mclaren works like a group,team,not like an indepence team without any colaboration between his drivers.
ALONSO,ALONSO,ALONSO THE BEST!!!!!!
cristina, madrid, spain
What people seem to forget is Lewis has been with McLaren for 10 years, he has a lot of involvement in the team testing the cars with Pedro and Fernando. Fernando is a top driver no doubt, you don't win back to back world championships without talent, however i believe quite simply Lewis is a phenomenon. Much as Shumacher did he is going to dominate with McLaren. As for Fernando I do not see his future there beyond this season.
Andy, preston, uk
What has been really pathetic is like Damon Hill and mates were trying to justify Hamilton after the race saying that âwhat teams wants are pilots with character who are able to take decision by themselves, even disobey orders if necessaryâ Yeah, sure Damon you are right thatâs what teams wants definitely. Ladies and gentlemen is all right everyone can have its own opinion even if this is more a matter of patriotism supporting, just ignoring the evidence that there are unacceptable behaviours in sport. Iâm British and Iâm proud of it but what is fair is fair and I consider situations like this, a shame for the British sport.
Joe Banfield, Plymouth, Devon,UK
People from Spain we also believe Lewis Hamilton is a very good driver. We used to think that he is also a nice guy: very compettive but nice. Now we believe he is extremely competitive, but also unfair with his team, unloyal to Ron Dennis and very unpolite...... (oh, now Mac Claren says that the "F" word did not came out from Lewis mouth). The Mc Claren situation is quite pathetic.
But also the FIA, ecclestone and all the soons of the Great Britain seem to need Hamilton to win the F1 championship this year. If he wins the championship in the track that is fine for me. But I think is not nice to win the championship receiving support from FIA, Ecclestone, the quite Pathetic Ron Dennis and all the comissioners. It is still hard to believe how Hamilton car was pulled in again in the track after the rain in germany. We have never seen nothing like that. Anyway, be sure that we will see a nice championship....I hope we also see a fair one.
Manuel, Madrid, Spain, Spain
The Spanish seem to say:-
1.Alonso is better than Hamilton.
2. Equal treatment is not fair because FA helped develop the car and LH benefits.
3. FA should have fair treatment because of this - (by which they mean an advantage).
They Assume:-
That this all about the driver not the team.
They Ignore:-
McLaren is ultra competitive - no one gets anything that doesn't help the team. Mclaren are in this for Mclaren not LH or FA. both are tools to get the job done.
My Question?
If FA is better than LH - why, with identical cars and identical setup is LH leading the World championship? And if Alonso is the better, why does he not consistently beat Hamilton?
Lastly - Alonso will only leave Mclaren if he gets a chance to drive a car which he feels has a realistic chance of giving him a world championship (which would mean beating Hamilton in a Mclaren). At the moment, Alonso's best chance of beating Hamilton is to drive a Mclaren himself. I don't see him leaving Mclaren yet.
Paul , Vancouver , Canada
Well, thing´s go wrong in McLaren, they prefer a rookie than a worldchampion, it´s ok, but no good to get another world championship for McLaren. I think Alonso will left them as soon as possible, and, if Briatore gets enough to promise Alonso good staff for next year, he´ll be back at Renault, but if not, BMW will be the next to have Alonso, and with him, surely we all will have a most exciting F1, with 3 team in the fight for victory, all with chances for victory in each race.
-McLaren now has a good car, helped by Alonso, let´s see if he leaves them they have a good car also.
-Ferrari has good car no matter who drives, it´s a good team for Hamilton.
-And BMW is getting close to lead, only needs the experience of a worldchampion to pull up to victory, they have the staff.
I think it´s better for all (him, F1, Hamilton, McLaren and we that see this sport...) that Alonso leaves McLaren and goes to BMW (or Renault, if Briatore gets sponsors to Alonso´s back to the team).
Let´s see
Karim, Madrid , Spain
We all have seen Lewis Hamilton`s father and brother
on TV. Now we want to see his mother, too. The world, not only the Britons world but the whole world, loves that family.
Evo Longorio, truecity, Spain
If Ron Dennis wants to secure the F1 driver's and manufacturer's championship the current strategy will blow up in his face. The is no such thing as equal treatment in McLaren. All you need to see is the mechanic's and Team's reactions to F.Alonso's victories.
May I remind you Mr. Dennis that the sole reason why you have the endorsement of Vodaphone and other mayor sponsors is linked to the signing of F.Alonso. Furthermore, who is responsable for turning the McLaren into a winning car? I Doubt that Lewis Hamilton has the skill and experience to set-up the chassis ...
If you continue to take F.Alonso's telemetry to help L.Hamilton you are cheating the sport. That is exactly how A.Crivillé won a 500cc world championship after M.Doohan left him a perfectly sorted Honda ...
Manuel Hermida, Madrid, Spain
well, i see everybody thinks this is a war btween spain or england, well sorry it aint, the dela is that there are 2 drivers, one is a noob, who is a good driver, hamilton,and that has a great master Alonso;
Alonso doesn have nothin to demonstrate, hes the champ,Hamilton he has all the pressure, he wantsa to give back the press te help, te successs to hes fans, and thats making him the world worst worker, mate and even disrespectful with hes mentor, which to me, is totaly out of place. i would never bite the hand of those who feed me.
Its normal that Alonso is quite unhappy, when hes own team mate makes the FIA punishes you, when he is egoist with hes own term, he works for McLarenMercedes as Alonso, so if Alono obeys rules, ad Hamilton has won by them, so must HAmilton, if Alonso ain the favorte pet of ROn Dennis, Hamilton shouldnt be one either, and the best is yet to coe, when Hamilton, will look up to the champ of the title at the end of the year..ALONSO. Keep trying.
John, Sydney, Austraia
All this polemic is transformed in: Fernando Alonso + Mc Laren = championship of the world. Hamilton + Mc Laren = another one like Jenson Button. A greeting to the English liking of the F1, but is not this a little while for Hamilton, you have patience,
Juan Lopez, Leon, spain
Dear Mr R. Dennis, I would ask you only three questions. How do you want to control the competitiveness of both of your drivers when you insist in equal treatment for both at all times. Do you really think Alonso could ever get the same kind of relationship with you or McLaren than Hamilton, considering the fact that Hamilton has been born and bread in your team and is your "motoring" son, is that fair on Alonso? and finally, Would not it be fairer that each driver had his own telemetry? This would be a fair competition, not the pantomime you have got now.
middleton, durham, UK
I personnally support Alonso as he has had to work hard to became a champion....he started driving karts at the age of 3 and he wasnt sponsored by any of the big companies or official bodys in Spin until he had won so may races that everyone knew how special he was plus he has always worked very close to his teammates (engineers,etc). As far as I kow hami is that spoilt guy who has always been protected by R.D. and is racing with a car with exactly the same technical conditions that Fernando Alonso has (the same that he has been building together withs his engineers along all this years of competition.....Hami is a great driver but he is not that big person, he should respect Alonso and specially all his team mates. before acting as a champion you must deserve to be treated as champion,don you think so?
carmen, madrid, spain
To Gavin:
The team is who paid Hamilton. Hamilton disobeyed the team. Hamilton did bad .
If i would be the team manager i send Hamilton to GP2.
To Lewis:
You said that Hamilton must win because he is black? You have a problem. In this days think that is terrible. Hamiltong has a good car but he show nothig, win nothing. I hope you think about your words, here the thing not is if he is black or white is if he is cheater or not and i think that they is because he did that their team has losen points to win
Iago, A Coruña, Spain
Hamilton should be replaced by De La Rosa!!!!!!!
Dan, malaga,
After a long search I managed to find one "I hate Hamilton" posting from Australia - all the rest were Spanish names and/or addresses.
Odd that isn't it?
Mike Bibby, St Albans, England -not EU
Let's face the truth. This year McLaren will win both championships, no chance for Ferrari. But even if the champion will be Alonso again -and I'm quite sure he will-, I think Dennis will count on Hamilton for the future, since he is english and younger. Is it possible to imagine Alonso again suffering another year in a team who supports his teammate more than him? Don't think so, he must leave, and as things are now, the only possible choice to keep fighting for the champinship is Ferrari. And Alonso -I'm afraid- is the unique possible strategy for the Scuderia to win next year, since Massa and Kimi are both good at driving, but they are not comparable to the spanish in setting up and developing the car.
Let's wait and see.
and...
Forza Ferrari!
Alessandro, Genoa, Italia
Both of the current McLaren drivers are a disgrace for this team's values of integrity and loyalty :)
Gilraen, NL,
In my opinion, Alonso only was following orders from engineers, because the lolly pop was down and the mechanics working when Hamilton stopped behind Alonso's car.
The signal of the lolly pop man was an error, because Alonso was waiting for engineers signal.
In other countries all spectators colud see how a member of the team was indicating to Alonso the correct moment to start his last lap. This a link in german:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7G56TxfWKg
alexius, Sherry, Spain
To Michael Vooght: why do you consider that have the same sets in the car is to treat the same both drivers, FA&LH?.
Have you ever take into consideration that the setting to LH are systematically a copy of those set by FA?.
Hamilton is an excellent driver, but being a champion is a bit complex, even if the English F1 supports could consider that copyng the mate set up is a good basement to win the world champion. I do really think that you all have to be proud of your new rookie but be more cautios about the real situation in the team.
Don't forget that Ron Dennis had recognised that Alonso's support was essential to develope a competitive car this year, and even then you understand that the treatment is the same. Don't forget that the response should be proportional to the support and honestly I'm quite convince that the support to the McLaren Team is not being the same from FA and LH.
I would like to see your reaction if a colleage will copy any of your job to get a good result.
Ferreño, Madrid, Spain
manuel, to be faster than another you need fight with another, if Ham didn't anything he do in the last GP, he can try show us that is better than Alonso and won him, but he did it?, NO, he went crying to maFIA to take an easy victory.
In Spain that is a "cowardly"
Iago, La Coruña, Spain
I think, Alonso is afraid. Two reasons, first, he is the champion and his teammate is the top. Second he doesn´t have the support of the team, big deal.
Miguel, Bogota, Colombia
Mclaren is just this sort of organisation.
Ron Dennis leads by example - everyone in motorsport knows what he's like...the kind of man you respect but dislike
When Alonso was at Renault he was a sportsman, why? because Flavio inspires confidence and (apart from his paternity issues) is a gentlemen.
If you talk to anyone at McLaren they are suspicious and cutthroat because that is the organisation that Ron has created. Quite frankly I have every confidence that both Alonso and Hamilton are reasonable, friendly, talented individuals who through their assoc with a horrible team are becoming paranoid and suspicious.
Alonso is coming off worse but then he has more to lose.
Tom, London, UK
Ok, but if McLaren choose Hami, he will become more arogant, than he is. So he will become god allmighty in McLaren and it will be not so good for a team.... Ron have to foster his young Genius ;)
D. , Vilnius, Lithuania
You are the man Hamilton. You are very intelligent and brave to judge how to win races unlike Alonso who is demanding special favours. He has definately never come across such a talented driver as you are.
Alonso can go to another team that will give him special treatment if he is not happy.
Keep winning Hamilton and Alonso may soon go back to bull fighting taking with him his irrational spanish picadors
John Kibet Beka, Tring, UK, Herts
These extreme rivalry between spanish and british seems to be spoiled from any kind of Trafalgar syndrome heritage. Otherwise seems irrational.
Miguel, Madrid, Spain
Has ron forgotten dc and hakkinen, that didn'nt always seem a fair partnership.
chris, jones,
Viva la prensa Britanica!
Imagine the headlines if Alonso denounces it's team mate every time he is behind, denounces the team to the FIA, and insults his boss.
You take a world champion, that has come from the bottom up, and has beat Schumacker with a Renault, and show on the track on a lot of battles, and you make him look as if he is a prima dona, that can only win if he receives special treatment, or starting from the pole.
Very clever british journalists.
Jesus, Spain,
My point of view:
- the only cry-babes are hamilton, his father and ...?
- there are internal agreements that should be respected
- Hamilton has benefitted more than Alonso in the strategy of the poles
- In Hungary it corresponded Alonso to make the last turn with less gasolin(this is important to make the pole,or not?)
- Hamilton only took out him two advantage points
- If Alonso had won the career leader he had put on
- Hamilton didn't support this idea and he behaved immodestly
Hamilton doesn't have possibility to defend why it didn't accept the team orders. The shift was for Alonso, as other times it was for him. If we begin with traps wrong we will end up.
José Luis , Plasencia, España
Hammilton is another driver, Barrichelo when drive a Ferrari won GPs too, but he was really good?, he didn't.
All newspaper in England hope Ham win because they want an english winner, but really there is only one world championship driven this year and that is Fernando Alonso.
Ham stole points to his team in the last GP, stole a victory and the first position in the championship to his teammate. Mclaren don't seem to be right, last year they dismiss Montoya and he didn't steal points to his team, but now is different, Ham is english....
Is very sad see how FIA accepts this an help Ham, seems that they want Ham win too.
Prost and Senna run together too, but when Senna strikes with Prost, FIA sanctioned Senna because he was the culprit. Now seems that all body have their own interests.
I hope to be able to enjoy this sport as much as when i was a boy
Iago, La Coruña, Spain
The International Court of Appeal should penalize McLaren-Mercedes in both the Constructorâs and the Driverâs World Championship. The teamâs status should be retrograded to that one previous to the Hungarian Grand Prix. In this manner justice will be well served and the trust of the people in the sport fully restored. Consequently, Ferrari should be proclaimed the winner of the race and Hamilton and Alonso deprived of their punctuation, 10 and 5, respectively.
Paul, Toronto, Canada
Ahmad it seems you don't understand so much about Formule 1.
What lewis dis had a big impact on Alonso's. he should let him go first bcause it was his turn, as Mc Laren said, so he ould have time to make the 3rd row.
Alonso followed his boss instructions, so if anyone prevented Lewis from taking the pole was his own team, not Fernando, becasue it wasn't his turn and he had just breaken his boss instructions.
I think if anyone had to be punished, that is Mac laren never Alonso, who just did what he was told to do, but not even Mc Laren because Lewis didn't follow his instructions, first.
Alonso doen't seem a nice person. Lewis does, but I don't trust him at all. he just seems nice, and a good boy, but he is able to get his own tema in prblems even if he started everything. But with his politness and nice face gets whatever he wants.
Claire, Paris, France
Team orders are illegal in Formula 1 and for that reason McLaren were rightly punished. Alonso should have been sent to the back of the grid for blocking a fellow driver and compromising fair competition in the sport.
Why should Hamilton let Alonso pass him when going out for the qualifying session when he earned the first position by being the quickest in the practice sessions. Hamilton rightly disobeyed and illegal and unfair team order and being the smart boy that we know he could not let it affect chance of victory in Hungary. Time and time again he has outsmarted his opponent.
We all know that Hamilton holds all the aces if McLaren mess up Ferrari will be ready to welcome him with a 25-million-dollar package because he is the golden boy! Sponsors and endorsements are already piling up! Alonso era of two years is bygone!
Please come to Ferrari Mr. Hamilton!
paolo, nairobi, kenya
The Spainish are allowed to express their views here on a British national newspaper, blog unlike the Spainish newpaper "Marca" where you have to give your "D.N.I. * (or resident card)" to express an opinion. What a joke some of the Spainish lying that they are British eh eh, Alonso is a BIG CHEAT, he unable to beat Lewis, on the track so he calling for team orders. The facts and not makeup lies: First qualifying Lewis was faster with a fuelled heavier car. Second qualifying Lewis was faster with a fuelled heavier car. Third and last Qualifying session Alonso can't cope and started to cheat by holding up Lewis in the pitlane. Great decision by the FIA. Alonso should have start in the pitlane. Also Fisicella, for a peaceful life didn't compete with Alonso well Lewis, wasn't going to roll over for Alonso. I know the Spainish still think their rule the world, but the world is speaking ENGLISH NOT spainish.
Tony, Kent, England
Hamilton should be replaced by De La Rosa!!!!!!!
Dan, malaga,
By the way, what do the Queen and the Admiralty say about
all this mess?
tato dulanci, Vitoria, Spain
I don't think that Fernando wants a "special treatment by McLaren", I think he wants the same, but he doesn't have it.
Mc Laren have they own champion, Hamilton, and they don't permit that Fernando win when Hamilton has possibilitys.
In my opinion, Fernando is better than Hamilton, and I am certain that he going to win the championchip.
Lorena, Galicia,
I´m so unhappy to see how a big team as Mc Laren doesn´t work as a professional team because of all the suspicious problems that round every Grand Prix between Fernando Alonso and the team. It is ridiculous thinking that McLaren contracted the best pilot nowdays with two championships and then, the team pull down him, ridiculous but true...but if Alonso leave McLaren,which pilot will share team with Hamilton?A pilot that only think in himself and lies to FIA only to put himself awards...no pilot of 1st line in F1 will...
Sunil, Madrid,
Only two questions: How many races wan McLaren in 2006? How many points won in 2006? Alonso is something more that a great driver, he is a genius making a competitive car.
Antonio, Sevilla, España
I've never been a fan of Alonso since he's slating of Valentino Rossi when he was going to join F1. Rossi is twice the racer and ten times the man Alonso is. My personal favorite these days is Massa as he actually seems like he's enjoying himself. The best season in years is being ruined by these penalties and arbitration.
Ross, Loughborough,
I think that Alonso is, right now, the best pilot in F1 and not only for his driving but also for his preparation of the races and cars. Compare the situation of Renault with and without Alonso and the situation of McLaren last year and this year.
Nano, what you have to do is winning the championship again and go away from McLaren to no matter which team. You will make of this car the best in F1.
¡AÃPA ALONSO!
Eduardo Fernández, Valladolid, Spain
I am reading that so much people compare the maneuver of M. Schumacher in Monaco with the one of Alonso in Hungary, but they forget a thing, they were equipment orders in pit lane and not in track.
I think that Ron Dennis would have to clarify this of once, and to demonstrate that he is a good group leader punishing to the pilot who fails to fulfill his orders, in this case L. Hamilton. The equipment is the one that it has to impose discipline and its pilots to accept it, at least until this weekend, and if they don't like this, they could change F1 by dominó.
Paula Pérez, Oviedo, Spain
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not as good as Alonso yet. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows...
But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , like much more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar,
British readers - if you don't understand the Spanish angle about car set ups, I will explain.
The Spanish media have resorted to attempting to suggest that Alonso sets all the cars up, controls the mechanics, and probably bends the steel with his own bare hands to make the cars at night n his own personal garage.
Ask any driver, including Alonso, who the better driver has been this season and they will say Hamilton.
Oh, and in Banco Santanders all over Spain they have cardboard cutouts of Alonso and test driver delaRosa - none of Hamilton.
As their international football manager proved last year - racism is alive and well in Spain.
Paul Case, Bromley,
To Mr.Michael Strelitz, London,
The fact is that Alonso is already World champion..twice...He is not being helped by Mclaren (and he is not needed to be helped)..Is Setting up the car to be a winner car (thats what he was contracted for)...and fighting to be again world champion...(still possibilities to get it). Of all this facts, Hamilton is taking profit..(who would not do it in his, being in his shoes).....the only wrong thing I see in this matter is Hamilton should be cleverer and shout his mounth..thanks to Alonso and Mclaren he is got the oportunity of being champion in his first year....see Kovalainen or Alonso at the begining of their career, they fortunatelly had to learn in poor teams something Hamilton will never learn in a winner team...to be honest to what was given to him.....time always if fair with honest people and terribly cruel to behaviours like hamilton's...how can you allow a guy like this represent great Britain?Lets speak in IStambul..GOD SAVE KING ALONSO
Jose Silles, Burriana, Castellon/Spain
English team, English pilot, English media... What can "Don Quijote" Alonso do? In my opinion Alonso made a bad contract with McLaren... He, instead of sign a contract of 20Mâ¬, he sould had to sign the contract and a "clausula" saying than no English pilot sould drive with him, the champion last 2 years...
Celestino, Spain,
i´d like that all people see the photo that appeared yesterday in "diario el mundo" from Spain. This photo shows a celebration of Hamilton in Hungary and surprisingly, nobody from his team is celebrating the victory with him. In fact, he gave the champagne to BMW´s engineers. In spanish we say " It´s worther an image than a thousand of words"
Jose Luis, Zamora, España
As it happen before (last season), who is the best, no matter what, he will be. No matter what the english FIA or the english team MCLAREN-mercedes or the whole english nation, done and will do, Alonso is the future of the formula one. I understand that the english people need a champion because nobody remember who is the last british champion, F1 in UK was gone, as sport and as bussines. Now the bussines is creating a new english champion but to be honest it´s a feak one. Hamilton could be a champion but not with this conditions, the english nation is destroying him as driver and creating a media star. As F1 fan, I am very disapointed with the FIA and F1. I didn´t know they were so desperate to have a british champion and he is not even a british. SHAMEFUL
Pau, Alacant, Spain
I understand all the partisan Alonso fans who think their man should have number one status at McLaren but that's simply not how McLaren work. Before urging Alonso to demand ever more from McLaren, just remember Mclaren have been in a similar position to the current Alonso/Hamilton pairing before, Prost/Senna. It was Senna not Prost that McLaren kept. If Alonso did leave, where would he go? Ferrari instead of Massa? Not whilst Raikonnen is there, and let's face it, Ferrari are traditionally even less capable of running two number ones than McLaren. Back to Renault to redevelop thier car a second time? Maybe, but chances are they'll be uncompetitive at least part of next season, not what Alonso wants. Probably the least unlikely, all things considered, would be a swap of Alonso for Heidfeld. McLaren know Heidfeld, Mercedes would probably like a German in the car, Alonso would get a decent car with a rich team where he could be number one, unless he'd be worried about Kubica ...
E Burgess, Slough,
All these comments about Alonso setting up the car for Lewis are really odd. Does anyone have any links to prove this?
I knew they used to talk at the start of the season, but Alonso stopped sharing his setups with Lewis after a few races when Lewis was betting him.
I find these comments odd as Alonso and Lewis drive in different ways. Alonso likes tight cars that understear slightly while Lewis seams to like a loser car and drives around hanging the backend out. You can't have one setup that would accommodate these both of these styles of driving.
Andy, Cardiff, Wales
TO MR Michael Strelitz, London,
Dear Sir,
Could you please tell all people giving opinion to this "opinion furim" which F1 rules did Fernando Alonso Break? Let's study some facts happend during last Hungarian Show (because u cannot call it f1 race):
1) Hamilton desobeyed direct orders from his boss, affecting directlly his team resoluts and his teammate.
2) Hamilton did not respect fair play ordered by his team of having and extra intent of a fast lap to achieve the pole.Alonso did every time with total respect to his collegue ( and I am sure he did not agree with it)
3) He followed orders from team at boxes, and left it when he was ordered to do it.
4) with used tires, he got pole, despite the fact in first sector he was 0.3 seconds slower than Hamilton, and not only recovered them but won 0.1 second in last sector...
5) had better strategy to win the race
After all these facts, he only lost 5 points, and keeps alive in championship.....It is a hurt bull, we will see who wins
Jose Silles, Burriana, Castellon/Spain
This thing about Hamilton being only great because of "copying" Alonso's set-up is ridiculous! They have totally different driving styles. I have big doubts Lewis could make much use of Alonso's set-up. Or if he does and can beat Alonso with Alonso's set-up, what does it tell us about Lewis's skills and/or about Alonso's? Then, what will happen when Lewis finds his own set-up? Will he totally dominate Alonso? So if I was an Alonso fan I would think twice if I used this argument because if anything it makes their hero look weak, if it's indeed true! But of course, I don't want to deny that Hamilton can benefit from having Alonso as a teammate. That's natural as he is a rookie and he is clever enough to learn from a more experienced guy. I'm sure Alonso did the same with Trulli in 2003-04.... What Hamilton admitted once, was not using "Alonso's set-up", but the data he collected. But are you sure it never happened the other way around? Because I am not.
Suzy, Miskolc, Hungary
Well It's something that most F-1 Fans could easyly find out. A double champion like Alonso would never stay longer in a team where the "fair" competition between drivers exist only in Ron Deni's words. It's so obvious that Hamilton is not ready to prepare a F-1 car, and has been copying all the setting up during all the seson. In addition some "uspicious" accidents wit Alonso's car, also the las pole try done with used tyres due to a misterious lack of preassure in the new tires... so many coincidences make me think that Mclaren and Ron Denis never played fairly with Alonso. good luck in BMW or Ferrari. You are the champion. Hammilton will do nothing with out a champion who can prepare his car.
August Erbrinch, Düsseldorf, Deutschland
this discussion at least it's being civilized so let's keep it like that. To all my spanish comrades, chill it ok, Fenando earns 20 milliom pounds a year, most of us here 1000 euros. Poor Fer?
To the English comrades, the reason why so many Spanish people here is because yesterday el mundo,a major paper in our country published a headline saying"according to the Times, Alonso will leave McClaren". So everyone who supports Fer seems to have log in the times.Now as you can see I'm communist, Viva Hugo Chavez and the bolivarian revolution.
Carmen Martinez, lugo, spain
Nice bussiness, pretty nice. For McLaren and Media.
Anthony, Granada, Spain
Alonso the best!!!!!!
Pozi, Sevilla, Spain
Alonso simply obeyed his team. He stayed stopped in the pit lane because his team demanded it. Then can somebody explain me why Alonso was punished??
Oscar, Madrid, Spain
Ron should sack Alonso, he has disgraced the team, and possibly the lost points will cost them the constructors title.
Why does Mclaren need Alonso now?, Hamilton has shown ability beyond anybodys wildest dreams, give Lewis the fat salary, and give another young British driver a chance.
Steve Barnett, Chafford Hundred Essex, UK
Lets face it Alonso is rattled and dosen't think he can beat lewis on the track - so he trys to bend the rules - glad he got punished , but i think Lewis would have won anyway
ID, Lei, UK
Only person who disobeyed team orders was Hamilton. Hamilton isn´t a men of team he is a daddy boy with a expensive car.
jorge, Madrid, España
This is quite confusing overall. Let's say Fernando was lying and he consciously waited in the paddock so Hamilton could not take his last lap, why then is the whole team punished? If it was Alonso's decision only him should have been punished by the stewards... And if the decision came from the team, why is Alonso also punished? This is what does not make sense to me...
pax, barcelona,
Alonso has to go to Ferrari and doing it the next year Mr Dennis will cry for his come back. Fernando is the best driver and has to drive the best car. About Lewis, everybody saw his "fairplay", no comments.
Toni, Gijon, Spain
Ron Dennis, you should learn how to give the same deal to your drivers and mainly try to deal Fernando Alonso how he deserve. You don't know how to appreciate to a true champion and that makes that anyone want of leaving from that team. I also think that you should control your dear Hamilton, because he´s more egocentric, I am not going to deny that he´s a great driver, but Fernando Alonso is better than him. Dennis, you have to begin to give you count of the great champion that you have to your side: Fernando Alonso.
Alex, CyL, Spain
Well Grouch0, don't you mean that traditionally the pijo always thinks they should have special treatment...
Julian, Barcelona, Spain
Hamilton can say bad words to his boss on the radio, he is over law and order. He can drop his soap piece waiting for Ron to catch, they can have fun together dancing in The Blue Oyster... Alonso go BMW, where your family will be welcome and your fine-tune work on the car won't be used by a loser.
Before last race I thoght Hamilton was a brilliant racer. Next will be drugs, women and fall, remember these words...
Jose, Madrid, Spain
Alonso has worked much for the equipment, with the car. They do not have respect to him and they are not right with him. From Oviedo, Spain .........Greetings to the champion!
Gabinu de Lorenzo, Ovetus, España
Will I think the decision of the FIA was unfair for Alonso because he is clean where you can clearly see that Ron Dennis and his Meclaren team are supporting Hamilton just to be an icon to the future so that they can say we as in Mclaren got a new legend who is the British guy from a British company & team.
I wish Alonso all the best and the championship this year.
Ahmad, Riyadh, K.S.A
in a british team...
with a british boss...
with a british owner of formule 1
please alonso go to ferrari!!
nori, seattle, u.s.a.
Alonso deseverved both his WC crowns of that I am in no doubt, the problem lies in that Lewis is just faster than him & Alonso is not prepared to let a rookie beat him to #1 driver.
Personally I cant see Alonso going back to Renault, although I get a feeling Red Bull could be an option. What better to prove your skill than winning with a fledgling squad? The connections are there...
Chris, Bristol, UK
(cont.)
I also remind you that when Robert Kubica raced in World Series, his team was an Spanish one.
So, this is Spain ... a great country with great sportmen.
Alberto, Bilbao, Spain
Hamilton is a great baby that use the Alonso´s work
to win. I like to see run Hamilton without Alonso´s dates
Yes, Fernando is a stupid person but is the best runner in
this moment.
Juan Antonio, Spain
Juan Antonio Moreno, Barcelona, Spain
I will not enter to discuss whether Alonso delayed Hamilton's pit intentionally or instructed by his team, but I would like to comment on those news that suggest that his action is similar to that of Schumacher at La Rascasse in last year's Monaco GP. I find two significant differences, as follows: a) Schumacher and Alonso belonged to two different teams; and, b) Schumacher delayed Alonso's last flying lap after having secured his and knowing that Alonso was improving his initial sector's times. In Hungaroring, Alonso had not secured his pole by the time his team mate was delayed. Hamiliton had entitled the pole at the time.
Marcelino, Oviedo, Spain
The biggest problem here is that this sport is run by the British and they appear to be frighten of the English-media. I am getting very tired of James Allen bias reporting. This was really noticeable about the 'Alonso incident' because it was done to Hamiliton, Allen was outraged, yet Damian Hill thought that it was good fun and just something between the two drivers and thought events like that made F1 more interesting (True). However on the Sunday, Hill seemed to have change his tune and agreed that Alonso should have been punished. Whatever the right or wrongs of the incident, who suffered, so why such a severe punishment for Alonso who was 2 points away from Hamilton in the Drivers league - perhaps that is the answer. Formula One has done themselves no favours here.
Frank Clement-Lorford, Guildford, Surrey
Both Hamilton and Alonso are great drivers.
Alonso is a much faster thinker.
What happened saturday (during the pit stop an before) is a demonstration of guts from both of them, and what shouldn't have happened is that some people with no guts at all interfere in their great show. Call me romantic, but i am really fed up with drivers that act like computers, team strategies, pit lane prime donne... I much prefer HUMAN pilots that sometimes act stupid and sometimes call for vendetta! I wish we all could see Hamilton's reaction on sunday if Alonso was on pole.
I think that Hamilton has yet a LOT to learn, let's not forget that last year McLaren was making 8th and 9th, and that Alonso made a TERRIFIC work this winter, and that Hamilton is driving Alonso's development of that McLaren.
So, all my support to Alonso, whom i hope will never get to Ferrari!
Federico, Bergamo, italy
Hamilton´s behaviour is simply unacceptable. Ron Dennis must show Hamilton who is the boss. If McLaren prefers Hamilton rather than Alonso this will be the end of McLaren and Ron Dennis. It is clear. Time will tell.
Carlos, Barcelona, Spain
Lewis didn't let Alonso through when ordered by the team, then Alonso spots a way to get his own back. End result, 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other! Just a shame the stewards ruined it by giving Alonso a stupid penalty. A straight fight is what everyone wants to see. To succeed in most sports, and particularly F1 you need to be determined and selfish - qualities both McLaren drivers possess! So, unlike many other posters find it hard to blame one driver more than the other. If only the racing was as interesting as what happens off the track it'd be so much better. Take a look at WSB or MotoGP if you want to see people actually overtake each other. I hear that's been banned in F1 these days....!
Richard, Guildford, UK
When Alonso leaves McLaren, Hamilton loses, time to time... Alonso is the best!!! change team now!!!
Juan, Madrid,
Hamilton and Alonso are great pilots but the one who has betray the team is Hamilton. Do you think anyone would like to be the partner of Hamilton? Can Mclaren trust in Hamilton? In my opinion no.
jeh, Bcn, spain
the alonso & hamilton ding dong is fantastic, it is exciting and ti makes you wonder what is going to happen next, formula one has been crying out for this for years in fact since prost v senna. do you remember two seasons ago when it was more boring than curling. come on get a grip everyone its motor racing. role on the next race - maybe we will see them square up to each other - wicked!!!
stewart, southampton,
Well, the only one thing which has been proved is that Hamilton did not want to listen the team instructions. What Alonso did or not did, it is still to prove, except for the race marshalls who already found Alonso guilty.
On the other hand, no rules exist to punish what Alonso has done even if he did it intentionally.
In my opinion this is Ron's fault he is the one who should clear all this and he shluld have done this a long time ago.
Alonso will success in any team, because he has the experience of years as a test pilot and 2 world championships, he does not need this. As per Hamilton, well we can not denied he is an extraordinary pilot... but that is it so far.
Luis, Belfast, Ireland
Now after watching all this happennings for bad sportive spirirt, only we have to wait for WhiteHand Sportive Spirit to Take Supernatural Effect. Now, as some do strange things, WH will take effect. Prepare your souls to enjoy sportive justice. There are races to the end and no one must laugh od Destiny Power Over Human Bussiness. Who will Win Championship? jajajajajajajaaj
Justis, Spain, Of Course
I am sure that Alonso is the best driver now. Hamilton is good, but I think he is overprotected. If McLaren prefers that Alonso is in another team, next year Ron Dennis, Hamilton and his daddy will cry every weekend. They will do it too in all the races until the end of the season.
Mario, Valladolid, España
Good, its a few articule on english press that say truth.
The situation is very bad for Ron Dennis who is going to lose the pilot who has given the maximum them of his cars. Ron is the guilty.
It has not prepared the entrance of Hamilton in the F1 suitably and now it has a bad-mannered and allowed pilot that thinks that he is the best one of the world without win nothing.
Hamilton must had been learn of F. Alonso at least this year. Now single I hope that Fernando we go away so that really to which we like formulates 1, does not like the form in which he has treated to him there, and we want to enjoy the conduction of the ânanoâ in any other escuderia.
Javier (otro asturiano), Madrid, Spain
Alonso did wrong, but it was a team decisition, and maybe not a credible reason about the traffic. But Hamilton did wrong also, and his reason of not letting Alonso over is also ridiculous and he acted like a child and not like a profesional. I am not defending Alonso because as I said, I think he did wrong, but for the English press looks like Hamilton did nothing wrong and that he is a good and perfect man, what it is not, not yet, sitll has to learn to be professional.
Migel Arregi, Bilbao, Spain
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not yet as good as Alonso. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows...
But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , as many more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer and a disgrateful, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar, Gibraltar
Who is the father of Lewis Hamilton? The boss of FIA
Rob, Burgos, España
I think Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but not as good as Alonso yet. Is his first year and nobody knows if he could be better driver than Alonso in the future...who knows... But one thing is for sure, he hasnt nothing to do with Fernando as a person. I think , like much more people that one of the worsest things a man can be, is to be an informer, and Hamilton is one of them.....
Montana, Gibraltar,
FIA demoting Alonso to sixth saying it is for the sake of the sport is pitying. If they love the sport so much, why not let Hamilton show his skills as driver in the tarmac trying to overtake Alonso?
Does anyone remember Hamilton overtaking someone in front of him?
By the way, if I'd followed team orders and got demoted and the one who doesn't got a premium, I'd think twice to stay in that team.
LucÃa, Madrid,
I believe that McLaren is not considering where they were last year, and where they are right know. One of the main reasons why the car is performing so well is Alonso. So, if I were Mr Denis I would reconsider letting Alonso leave the team.
Alejandro, Madrid, Spain
Don´tt worry , my father love me. My father will talk with the police, because I must win. I´sorry for my team, may be they´ll lost his tittle, but, my father is the best.
Rafael, Madrid, Spain
I am not a fan of Alonso, but it is a bit strange that a duble world champion has so many problems in his own team. Alonso has defeated the whole champion as Shumacher in the track. I believe that McLaren is wrong choosing Hamilton over Alonso since Hamilton still has much that to demonstrate, and Alonso is the in force champion though to the English press he does not like it
Salva, Barcelona, Spain
The true character of a champion is to stay and fight it out. Hamilton is a baby who wants to quit when things get rough. He claims -Daddy, Fernando is bad- And daddy hamilton.......
Fernando, Madrid, Castilla
McLaren ins not a good team. Alonso is a world champion and is a great driver and McLaren will loose him. Well, take a foolish and traitor as Hamilton with tou!
Patricio, Madrid, Spain
English boyâ¦.The problem is that they do not let to him win!
Javier, Oviedo y Cierra España, España
Sorry Guys, you are all barking up the wrong tree! The fault lies solely with the concept that F1 (Ferrari 1st) is a sport. The idea of a sport, particularly motor sport, it that an ultimate victor can be decided in an open competition of talents racing against one and other for a number of laps. With the Hungarian Grand Prix the single factor against it being a sport is that to win, all that was required was no more than being first on the grid and your machinery lasting until the last lap. The Race track in Hungary(Like others) doesnât alow for overtaking. No overtaking, no racing. Every racing driver involved in this so called race knew this, and that is why the poll position was so important to Lewis and Alonso. Anyone watching the race would have noted for the greater part of the time Kimi had the legs on Lewis, and if overtaking was possible he would have been the winner. Likewise for the same reason, Alonso and Massa were out of position that thier cars and abilities would have dictated F1 is not a motor sport anymore it is a corperate junket organised and constrained by the big Motor Manufactures that have little interest in what used to be a leading edge âtechnical tour de forceâ. Itâs a now just a marketing branding exersise. Not being a real fan of 2 wheels, but I would have to say that if you want to see racing thatâs the only place to be, Motor-GP, Super Bikes.
Ian B, Reading, UK
To quit the team is very dramatic and uncalled for. If the team has issues now, the correct view would be to try to sort them out long term.
It lies more in this than meets the eye I think. Perhats Alonso is anticipating a ruling againg the team in ICA i September, therefore trying to woo another team before that happens.
Hamilton, being a rookie, must act more professionally and respect the F1 game better.
Lennart, Gothenburg, Sweden
Now, JC, think in Lewis Hamilton's future without Fernando. Who is going to setup the car on Friday and Saturday for Lewis to race on Sunday? Which telemetry is going Lewis to copy? Wake up friend. Lewis Hamilton is simply nothing without Fernando's work. He's a child, and childs copy the exam from the advantage guy like in th school. The arrogance of some British as well as some American people is unbearable. Lewis is a good driver, but simply this, a good driver. F1 is much more than this. Only one thing more: Lewis, if want to be something in the future, please keep your father far away. He's destroying your shot career.
Pablo, Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain
alanso and the persons around him, has put mclaren on top, they must don´t forget that before alonso´s coming, the mercedes use to break, an the winner of the races were ferrari and renault,
hamilton is a god racer, no dubt, but without alonso´s devellopment and set ups, I´m not sure if he will be first .
take care hamilton, we know that you are "ron dennis son", but the the two times world champion, is not you . . .
eduardo, granada, spain
Hamilton is the best thing that happened to F1 in many years, but now the Federation and McLaren have taken being biased in his favour a step too far. Lewis is a great driver and he will have many chances of winning the championship fairly, so far many rules have been bent to get him in front, and that is not good for him nor for the sport.
Last Saturday he made a number of mistakes, Alonso is not his butler and he has every tight to argue with the team if they don't want to give him the tyres he wants. And Lewis shouldn't foget that they have a pact, and that it was him who broke it.
Alonso moans far too much, but Lewis has been really childish last week end, he should have the decency to shut up, everyone is working flat out for him (either fairly or unfairly) and he's not in a position to complain. And anyway, it has already been decided by the powers that be that he has to win the title, why bother making yourself a fool? Lewis grow up please, it's for your own good
Marco, Milano,
This just goes to show that Motorsport is far more interesting when there's controversy.
I'm for Lewis though, he didn't lie down and take it when in effect he's being asked to curb his instincts to win. He must have been thinking it was a race of some sort!?!
It was Alonso who came off worse as he came off as a preening peacock, hurt by his loss of celebrity. The game is about talent not who allows another to win!
Tom, Leeds, UK
Bernie Ecclestone must be rubbing his hands in glee as this "controversy" is the only thing livening up an otherwise DULL season ...
In the past I frequently skipped the qualifying and watched the race - now it could just as well be the other way round. Qualifying is much more interesting.
Jacqueline Martin, Azores, Portugal
It´s a disgrace that a spoilt brat is the reason that the champion feels he has to leave a team that wanted him for his experience and wisdom in this sport of gentlemen. Hamilton should show some humility, he´ll have his day but at least he should earn the glory and not steal it. Shame on you Hamilton, you give England a bad name.
Alexandra Ashcroft, Barcelona,
The orders to Fernando were given by the team as they both said later in the press conference. It makes no sense punishing Alonso, as it was a team decision. Before that, Lewis was told 7 times to stop and let Alonso pass and he didn´t.
They are both quick, but the main difference is that Alonso has had to fight himself and be where he now is, and Hamilton has been a pretty litle boy who has had everything too easy to be where he now is.
Eventhough, Alonso is showing his character, resistance and good head dealing with what is starting to be a nightmare for him.
Odviously he should leave Mclaren at the end of this year and whay not, take a year off and see if we miss him or not.
Mclaren and the English press are stopping the carreer of who is probably going to be one of the top three of the history with Shumi and Senna.
Juan Manuel, Madrid, Spain
It is a really shame for the championship, because in this season we have a good competitions with 2 teams and 3 great drivers (Fernando, Kimi and Hamilton). In this case, we really hope to a peace solution in mclaren teams. I will never forget the fernando´s capacity to win the championship. Remember, this spanish was successful 2 championship (driver and constructors) with a great victory over Michael Schumacher and Ferrari.
Sandro, São Paulo, Brazil
Hamilton was the chief culprit in the Hungarian fiasco.
Firstly, he refused to to follow team orders and allow Fernando to pass him during qualifying with the excuse that he feared Kimi passing him. This, with 15 minutes of qualifying remaining. It wasn't a race at the time but qualifying so what did it matter if the Ferrari did pass him?
Secondly, having knocked both cars out of synch with his F.U. attitude he was then ordered to slow down on his in lap as Fernando was in the pits. Did he take any notice? Silly question. Still in his F.U. mood he arrived early for tyre change. The rest is history. The behaviour of a spoiled brat. In an interview on ITV he remarked his favourite song was " Let It Go "... of course it is.. as long as you let him go first and to hell with the rest.
Eric Jackson, London, England
It's a shame Ron Dennis no longer controls anyone in his team. I believe Dennis did not know of the materials Coughlan was making use of, but it appears that others in the senior management of McLaren may not be so trustworthy. Similarly, Dennis obviously is totally ignored by Hamilton who treats Dennis like a whore, and that probably would not be happening unless other staff at McLaren were encouraging it.
Altogether, recent events at McLaren strike one as unravelling McLaren's facade and showing its personnel to be no better than English football fanatics.
Ed, New York,
Lewis Hamilton is only a spoild child and that's fact.I am surprised how it happen that McLaren team allow for such situation! Look at Hamilton during the press conference in Hungry. At least he could stop smiling.Becasue there was nothing to be proud about. Formula 1 is not about Hamilton and his needs. I cannot wait the moment Alonso leave the team then we all see what McLaren mean!Good Luck Alonso there is still 6 GP to run!I hope you win. Only do what you can do the best!Be Alonso we all know.
Bernadetta, Dublin, Ireland
Perhaps Alonso could be given a lap start for the remainder of the season, and Hamilton and whomever his new team mate is to be, could drive with a blind fold on for the qualifying session?
Would this satisfy Alonso and his Spanish supporters I wonder? I have to say I had missed where it said he had a God-given right to win every race without some jumped-up racing driver actually trying to 'compete' with him.
The impudence!
Of course, I don't remember Alonso affording Schumacher any favours when he joined F1? And that was why I liked him. His constant whining has changed all that though.
Mark, Birmingham, UK
Car settings do a lot in F1 and Hamilton wouldn't be where he is without Alonso's experience on setting up the car.
Maybe they should fight every race for victory as McLaren team claims to like but it seems to us in Spain that they is not a fair play because Hamilton has help from the big fish and Alonso is alone in the dark.
I think we would see Alonso is a better driver than Hamilton if they were treated the exactly same way by their team.
Pedro, Benidorm, Spain
I suspect "well-placed sources" will be having an interesting conversation with Martin Whitmarsh fairly soon...
Marcus Elwood, Brighton,
Well this supports the maxim of be careful what you wish for because it might happen..
It is nearly two years ago that Fernando intimated to Ron at a podium ceremony that he'd like to drive for McLaren..
It must seem like two decades to Ron..
At that time I don't think Ron knew whether or not he was to lose the independent genius of Kimi Raikkonen but he was resisting paying what the Finn's management (and Ferrari) thought the Kimster was worth so Fernando's chat up line must have seemed wonderful...
And I believe Fernando and Ron, for entirely different reasons, just loved the idea of getting one over on Flav, who must have been incandescent that Mr Alonso, whom he managed, had done his own deal with Ron...
Ron even decided to break the news early...all the better to discompose Renault...
And what are we left with...
A McLaren dream team that is more nightmare...in that it is tarnishing the very image that Ron holds so dear... the perfect season turned to ashes..
Poor Ron...
Cat, London, England
I just want to say to Brian Bonner that even himself can't honestly believe that the two drivers are equally treated by McLaren. We all have seen that it is not the case. If you really believe what you say, I think, my friend, that you don't know much about Formula One
Alex, Geneva, Switzerland,
Don't forget that Alonso is not only good at driving, but also at supporting the engineers to develop the car and making it much more competitive. Hamilton has taken adavantage of all backoffice work made by Alonso, would have won Hamilton any race w/o Alonso in the team? I don't think so. GO for them Alonso !!! Win the championship and show all brits who you are.
Carlos, Madrid, Spain
I am Spanish and proud to have this great pilot since(as,like) he is Fernando Alonso. It(he,she) is not for offending but I believe that hamilton is a spoiled baby that not to worked to be in an equipment(team) of these heights.
Big as Alonso and Shumacher they began from 0. Now this baby is not going to come to fastidarle his(her,your) world one.
And let's not forget the helps that it(he,she) receives of the FIA. that I surprise the English FIA and the pilot also. The ambrientas you win of that an English pilot gains(earns) the world one they this one being hot. Despues with what with button a promise that I explode. Let's not let's want maple tree to a champion with the help of the english men. that it they play in the track, not with your influence.
Manuel Cabello, Barcelona - Terrassa, Spain
I totally agree with Trevor Griffiths. Both Alonso and Hamilton should have been able to end the feud between them both on the track. It would have been a much more exciting race for the viewers. Alonso should have been able to keep his pole.We were deprived of Hamilton showing his worth!! Would M.Schumacker been trated the same way as Alonso..I dont think so. He got away with much much more!!! EJ
Eric, Whitchurch, Hampshire
F1 is a Circus and this affair is feeding the pockets of F1 authorities. For sure it will increase the TV audiences, every body wanting to see whatâs coming next.
Hamilton and Alonso are not angels, they are the same as all others drivers, they want to win, but they have to follow the rules if them exist, but not arranged to dark interest.
McLaren seems to be a boat that itâs going to shipwrecked if the steersman is not able to recover the control. I will recommend to Ron Denis to interchange the engineer and teams between them.
FIA, Bernie and British media, please donât change the rules, be honest and donât interfere, give the same opportunity to Hamilton and Alonso.
We will see the FIA honesty, next days. Maybe Ferrari has the opportunity to win the championship.
Ramon, Barcelona, Catalunya
I think that english f1 fans, english companies, english sponsors and mclaren need an english champion for F1. After many year of german supremacy with Michel, now is possible and there is no price to get this one. Alonso didn't think that his teammate would be so good driver, and so dirty as well, but now he hasn't any opportunity to win the F1 championship. Mclaren, english media and "english F1" won't let this one. All people know the power of england in F1. The problem is that Hamilton is english in an english team. I think the best option for Alonso is to get out of Mclaren and go to BMW or Ferrari. Germanies and italians are less needed of titles in F1.
Sheen, Sevilla, Spain
This incident reminds me another one in 1998 at the NBA AllStar game. Michael Jordan was about to retire and in one crucial play of the game, the then freshman Kobe Bryant was with the ball in one corner, Jordan was on the deffense directly in front of Kobe. Then the great Karl Malone stepped in to set a post for Kobe which rudely rejected the post to challenge Jordan face-to-face. Kobe made a waist-move past Jordan but did not get the basket. Reporters at the time talked about the young challenger to His Airness and how he would became the next big player.
Years have passed, His Airness is greater than ever and Kobe now knows that youth lasts for little, being continously involved in inside-team incidents (not taking into account a law incident).
So now Alonso, Master of Difficulties will prevail. Remember the stupid penalization for aerodynamic wake on Massa, remember the even more stupid mass-damper affair and the Schumi tricks, AND ALONSO PREVAILED.
Eric G, Mexico City,
There have been a lot of people (mainly Spanish) suggesting that Ron Dennis and McLaren are favouring a British driver because they are a British team. I honestly don't think this is the case. Otherwise David Coulthard would be a double world champion by now, but he was never favoured by McLaren, it was a fair fight between him and his teammate which he often lost!
It seems strange that having arguably the best driver in the field and a rookie that they should throw away a championship by being unfair now. I understand you guys are upset but all of us make mistakes. Lewis swore at Ron in the heat of an adrenalin rush moment after quali, Alonso paid Lewis back for not honouring their agreed procedure with a similar red mist.
Things are never going to be easy with two highly competitive people in the same team, who seem to be matching each other. Hamilton's a good driver - Alonso is too, but no-one expected Lewis to be where he is now!
Rob Allwright, Pool, UK
It is so funny to throw away a two times champion in F1 when Mercedes did not win anything for a long time and just him defeated a seven times champion with a wonderfull car and been him a second division car. Unfortunelly, when he wnet to Mercedes and took the car to the utmost level and his teamate took adventage of it, everybody forgot where Mercedes has been for so many years. I would like to see Hamilton the next year by himself in Mercedes and Fernando in BMW. I would bet that without Fernando, Hamilton is nothing and Fernando would be world champion in two years. BRAVO for Denis because if it is not for Fernando you would be smelling Ferrari smoke as you have been these last years and will be in the future. CAMPEONISIMO ANIMO, Spain is behing you a 100%.
Daniel, MALAGA, SPAIN
The English press this blinded with Hamilton. Not yet to cattle nothing, but but it burdens is that either it does not seem that contributes something to the equipment. All the opposite does a skinny favor to him with his continuous commentaries. I am a fan of always to formulates 1, the policy of Mclaren always has liked. Alonso even having 2 championships of the world, has something of excuse then not in vain is new in Mclaren and she even must conform itself. Nevertheless Hamilton does not have excuse some since she takes to all the life in this equipment and deveria to consider it like his family and not to betray it so that in he himself they criticize it. Hamilton is a vain child and ambitious who does not know itself by where he is going to never leave, in this occasion I believe that it is a ravieta by the one of Germany. Alonso I am sure that it ended up so making best for the equipment the Mclaren and as has demonstrated spear now in other sites.
javier, Medina del Campo,VA, Spain
I think its brilliant that a two time world champion is being completey outclassed and shown up by a rookie driver. I think if he went to Ferrari he would be shown up by Raikkonen and start throwing his toys out the pram again. In fact i'm not convinced they'd take the spoilt brat. If he is such great driver why isnt he way out in front of his rookie team mate and everyone else? The truth is when he is faced with a far more level playing field in terms of car performance across the teams and has a highly skilled and level headed team mate driving the same car he doesnt come out looking very good at all. I've never rated him that much prior to this season despite his world championships, he has just been greatly lucky in the past in having the superior and more reliable car and a far weaker team mate, now its all changed his abilities have been well and truly shown up. Not surprised there are such annoyed comments here originating from spain, how dare a rookie be better than your champ.
Jason, Birmingham, UK
I think that Fernando does not have memory at all; I remember last year on Monacoâs Grand Prix, when Schumacher stop his car on a revolve, and blocked Fernandoâs fast lap. That day, he start crying, and went directly to FIA, in order to complain for this. Schumacher was punished, and Alonso took the pole position.
Well in the Hungarian GP, he blocked Lewis, but he think that he deserve another kind of treatment. This is a shame.
What really happen in here is that Alonso is realizing that he isnât as good as the Spanish media say. He won 2 world champions with a superior car, and with a dummy as a team mate (what Alonso is now desiring). Lewis Hamilton is the next Schumacher, a cold blooded driver.
I agree with the fact that Lewis donât let him pass, because he is fighting for the championship, and I suppose he is going to win it.
I hope that Mc.Laren never switch their policies, and donât give orders to their drivers, because at the end, the best driver must win, thatâs what F1 is all about.
Miguel Rodriguez, Barcelona, Catalonia
I believe the best man wins on the grid and not through team orders or special treatments.
If Hamilton or Alonso wins, it's because one of them was best in that specific race.
The way Alonso had been acting and has spoken about the team is, in my opinion, not the way a Champion should act.
He shouldn't need special treatment and undisputed no.1 position within the McLaren-team. He should be able to win no matter what circumstances... if you can't handle that, you're mentally not as strong as a real Champ should be.
But, it's hard to be beaten by a rookie off course time after time...
Kim, Utrecht, Netherlands
The source said last night: âMy understanding is that heâs been told he can go because theyâre so fed up with himâ.
Hardly surprising. His constant crying and whining must drive them all mad. I wouldnât mind seeing what Jenson Button can do in a quick car, if that could be arranged. Heâs a man, and strong enough mentally to stand up to Lewis and earn his respect. If it were a direct swap for Alonso, he would be driving with Barrichello, so it would have the added advantage that the Spanish motoring federation could direct their members to drive the Brazilian newspapers mad - and the Times could get back to normal.
Ray, London,
What should we make of the fact that it was Hamilton's dad that brought the pit lane issue in Hungary before the FIA? Had Alonso started from pole, the championship would be tied right now. What are you waiting for Fernando? Join Ferrari already and wipe the floor with Hamilton.
Jake, New York City,
It is all quite clear, isn't it? A little bit of theatre by Dennis and Hamilton to make us believe they were angry with eachother, whilst there common aim is to frustrate Alonso so much till he resigns.
Paul, Eindhoven,
Boring! Alonso earns £20 milliom a year, Hamilton I guess somehting similar and do you think they care about these stupid so called war? they must be now enjoying a nice lobster in a 7 star hotel thinking how rich they are and how stupid we all are by worrying about them. Really i don't care about Alonso and I'm from Spain where so many people are out of order with their comments.I bet they are just school kids on holiday like me without nothing to do but be on the computer. I think Hamilton is so hot , so gorgeous, so guapo, guapisimo that I'm happy for his victories as i get visual pleasure looking at him. Are there many Hamilton looking guys in England?Please let me know asap as i will book a holiday straight away, i'm in love, i think i found the perfect man.Lewis te quiero, te adoro, te amo
Carmen Morales, Marbella, spain
manolo, hamilton is good, actually a top driver, howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, alonso has talent, is a gifted, just senna had the same gift, also valentino has that gift, alonso is magic, and hamilton will never belong o the olimpus of the gifted, i am sorry mates, you can say whatever but al f you knows the beauty of a man who has been built up on his dream. hamilton has had everything since his beggining, alonso and hs family fought for a dream and hs gift has been granted by God. nochance he is different, he can make worldchampion to any team, hamilton just can be chamion if berny helps him. God bless you
manolo, sevilla, spain
Obviously Hamilton is a good hope in Formula One, but what you have to notice is that now you have the number one in your team. I don't mean that you have to make favours to him, but you don't have to make favours to Hamilton either. The British Media only criticizes Alonso for his delay in boxes, but you don't mention that Hamilton ommitted a team order. So, who is the bad one in this film? You have two very good pilots. Take advantage of it this year because it's clear that Alonso won't be next year in a team where he is not wanted and appreciated.
Jose Oteros, Cordoba, Spain
Hey Max... just notice that Hamilton is quite young and don't have Fernando's skills to prepare the car: he just copy what Fernando does in his car. Of course, Hamilton is quite fast with the same car, that's true, but a good driver is more than running fast and you will see next year. In the other hand, all you brits, must know that in the last Grand Prix, Alonso had to make one more qualifying lap than Louis, the last one and he was just waiting to his engineer to tell him to go. Hamilton shouldn't be there waiting to Fernando, that wasn't planned by Ron Dennis. And even if Fernando would go five seconds before, the time he spent waiting, Hamilton wouldn't make it, he wouldn't arrive before the time was over. Check the images and the times.
I'm a Fernando fan, even if I say he's just an asshole sometimes... but please, Hamilton is even worse, no driver likes him and he looks really fake, oh my god, he is so!
We'll see next year, and please get +information before saying something
Kim, Barcelona, Spain
It's interesting to see all these myths Spanish users write here about Alonso (he developed McLaren, Hamilton is only good because of Alonso's setup, etc. etc.). Now I have an idea about what they are fed with by the Spanish media. And they call the British media biased? Funny.
And no, Alonso did not wait so long in the pits on Saturday because the team ordered him to do so! Please learn to add one and one! If he acted on team orders why on Earth was Ron Dennis so angry with him and his personal trainer after the qualifying? The first reaction is always the most honest! Look at Dennis' first reaction!
Also look at the press conference after the qualy! Alonso's body langauage tells it all: he didn't look like a man happy with his success! Instead he looked like somebody who knew he did something wrong.
Suzy, Miskolc, Hungary
All twisted. Obviously the Spanish papers are going to stand by Alonso and English ones will do the same with Hamilton.
NOBODY in Spain doubts Hamilton is a very FAST driver, but that's about the only reason to respect him around here. He is a spoilt baby (ROOKIE!), doing whatever he wants and crying when not given so. He cried in Monaco when he was told to pit 3 laps earlier to PROTECT him from a safety car (Remember what happened to Alonso in Canada?) and forced an investiagtion AGAINST his OWN TEAM. Same in Hungary, although this time he succeeded. "No interest is more important than my own, to hell with the team's" He must have thought. And all that after ignoring radio instructions to let Alonso by in Q3.
How on Earth do all the UK fans if Alonso held Hamilton ON PURPOSE??? Are tapes with the radio transmission given out?
Look: If he did it on purpose, I am fine with the Penalty, just like I was with Schumi in Monaco 06. But proved thus far: ALONSO JUST FOLLOWED TEAM ORDERS!!
Ignacio, Madrid, Spain
I´m spanish and a Fernando Alonso fan. The first thing I have to say is that independently of the equality McLaren wants to give to both his drivers should also have some rules and discipline. It is unfair to say that both drivers will have the same oportunities when one of them disobey orders from the team during the qualifying laps and nothing happens. If Alonso delayed his las qualifying lap was only because of his team and because the set of tyres they put on were not the ones agreeded beforehand. He was talking to his team boss to clarify that. Do anybody think that a driver like Fernando Alonso, or Michael Schumacher in his time, need this kind of tricks to win a world championship? I do honestly believe and there´s nothing wrong with that (but to say it clearly) that McLaren prefers british Hamilton to the Spanish Alonso. In the other hand Formula 1 is loosing a lot, because many decisions are made in offices and paper rather than in the track. God Save Alonso. Cheerio folks
JOSE ORTEGA, Tarragona, Spain
It's certainly livened things up around here.
As a Brit I have lived in Spain for 5 years (hablo español perfectamente) and before Alonso came along nobody in Spain (and I mean nobody) took the slightest bit of interest in Formula one. Now the entire country is ready to go to war with "los ingleses piratas" and a whole range of insults (many racist). The Spanish press and the Spanish blogs have one argument, that is, that Hamilton stuck two fingers up to the boss and went his own way. This has caused outrage in Spain with people foaming at the mouth and spitting blood. The Spanish are in general a v.respectful people which is why they are hopping mad with Hamilton and his disrepect. But what you (the Spanish) have to understand is that sticking 2 fingers up to the boss is an ancient English tradition. You do it, it's done, it's over. Hopefully you don't get sacked. España por favor, get over it, calm down, game on...
Tom, La Coruña, España
So, Alonso was egoist following team orders and Hamilton was right disobeying?¿
Amazing how can brits be so fans not to use brains a bit...
Rafa, Burgos, Spain
It's really funny: Ron Dennis owns a team. He gives an order to Alonso once he's gained the pole. Lewis disobeys this order. Alonso gets the worse, Hamiltom blames Dennis and Dennis PREFERS Hamilton to Alonso. I must say that to be british is a plus in MacLaren, no matter what kind of people you are.
Enric, Barcelona, Spain
for me Roon Dennis has a serious problem to manage people, So I believe that it will be important to create a comitee of crisis,
In that commitee has to be the drivers, their managers and mechanics
Actually Mc Laren is working like Ferrari many many years ago, where the drivers were divided and the mecanics also, I want to mean two companies into one
claudia, capital, argentina
Have you think what it would happend if Fernando disobey team orders for 6 times??
How big the penalty would be?
Hamilton did it and...NOTHING HAPPENS !!!!
Hamilton has take out his mask and has show his real face to the whole world.
We´ll see how good driver Hamilton is the next year, when the "master" move to other team.
santiago, madrid, SPAIN
Team orders are illegal in Formula 1. Hamilton is right to disobey team orders. He was leading fastest in the first practice sessions so why should he let Alonso through, totally unfair. What Alonso did is amateurish and plain right stupid and he should not complain about the penalty! In my opinion he should have been thrown to the back of the grid. McLaren's or Ron's explanations of what happened was just laughable. He was actually admitting that Hamilton disobeyed team orders to let Alonso pass and that Alonso was responding to that (The explanation can actually have McLaren disqualified, I think they know that thats why they are not appealing the verdict)
Myself am a Ferrari fan but I admire Lewis, I hope the rumours of US$35Million bid to get him are true!
paolo, nairobi, kenya
Any 2-time WDC would be fuming if the team that so proudly announced you joining in would be blatantly handing all your efforts and know-how to a new comer that has been stupid enough to shout at his own boss (with rather rude words) over the radio (and then his boss doing NOTHING).
Just give Alonso his car and let Hamilton set-up his own... If anyone has the slightest doubt about the result, please review Silverstone'07.
Javier, Sevilla, Spain
Alonso´s behavior is typical for southern mentality - nothing new and within the tradition on selforientation and irresponsibility. It must be really hard for the F-1 teams to hire these so-called stars,
Leo , brno , czechia
Has anybody thought about the implications for the sponsors? I can imagine Vodafone or even Mercedes thinking that whatever the decision is it will affect their image in UK or Spain. I would be very disappointed with the way McLaren has handled this situation. They should have foreseen that Hamilton was going to be that good. Why this always happens to McLaren? I think there are several lessons to learn for McLaren, the sponsors and any race team wanted to hire Alonso (he is not able to deal with competition in his own team) or Hamilton (he is not able to accept an order from his team if it is against his interests). But also for the media who are only saying half-truths to engage more people in watching TV or reading newspapers. And for me (what am I doing writing this when I should be going for a walk?).
Alfonso, Eastleigh, UK
Yep, Alonso is not taking Hamilton's performance well. He's a bit spoilt after two championships and I have the impression that he expected some deferential treatment at McLaren.
Hamilton...well, he is another spoilt brat, though I have to give him that he's gone gaga even before he wins his first.
Last weekend we saw how Hamilton refused six times (that is 6) to let Alonso pass, as per gentlemanâs agreement that each one will have the last lap in alternate GPs. He disobeyed his team's orders to damage Alonsoâs chances, showing that he is not a man of honour, although this comes to no surprise. As it was no surprise that Alonso played his own tricks and held Hamilton in the boxes inflicting more damage to the F1 competition. Both spoilt brats; Ron and McLaren pathetic; and for the FIA...I have no words.
Ivan, Dubai, UAE
I don't understand how McLaren can allow the Hamilton snub!! Hamilton should obey any order said by McLaren Team. He is paid to it. Alonso only fullfils the Team Orders. Is he really guilty?
Hamilton should move away the Team. This situation will be happened again, and Alonso won't in McLaren. Later, Ron Dennis will say : " Oh..sorry, I was wrong"...It will be too late!!
Eloy Rodriguez, Gijon ( Asturias), Spain
I'm still waiting for Hamilton to show some piece of driving. All he's done is go out with the pole position and keep up. I don't remember one single overtake by him... just hope he isn't that lucky from now on, and he starts showing everybody wether he's up to the championship or not.
By the way, that cantonese guy should watch his mouth. Insulting a whole country like he did is a shame and he should be banned.
David Bethencourt, Santa Cruz, Spain
To be honest this is the best thing that has happened to F1 in years. Lets face it, it's damn hard watching 90 minutes of cars going round and round a track without anything really happening after the first bend! As a Spaniard my heart is with Fernando but I dont think he should give up and leave Mclaren. He should stay and prove that he is the better driver even if he believes Lewis is being favoured (lets face it, how much money has Ron Dennis invested in Hamilton?).
Can you imagine Alonso's net worth if he could pull off a third championship???
armando, alicante, spain
The sooner Alonso is out of a British team the better,hes become too much of a prima donna.He is only one of a number of good drivers who deserve the seat at McClaren
Peter, Baguio City, Philippines
Why don´t Hamilton let Alonso overtake him, acomplishing team orders?. This are the roots of a rotten tree.
Xesc, Sóller, Spain
The truth is that Hamilton surprised everyone, they don't expect a youngster to beat they champion and...a black one (1rst time). They can't accept this fact, but i can tell them, this is just the beggining. Lewis is great and is very outrageos to see a champion do what alonso did. If he's so great, why he barred Lewis? And one last thing, Lewis did the best time on Q2, before the inccident. To commentetors of spain here's un advise, learn in this forum how to comment, different of your papers, full of racism, discrimination, ignorance...You have to admit, Lewis is great, no one did what he's doing right now. I understand that the fact of his colour turn the things harder to admite, but that's the way life is...Tiger did the same!!!
Lewis Champion, Praia, Cape Verde
Alonso is like Shumacher, when the heat is on they resort to dirty tactics to get their way. Yes Hamilton disobeyed an order, but if that order compromises your chance of winning then i dont see whats wrong with disobeying that order. Hamilton did not do anything malicious he was just looking out for HIS own best interests.Alonso should have kept the argument on the track, beaten hamilton on the track, not use dirty tactics. It appears to me that Alonso will "punch below the belt" if it means he gets his way. He is so used to getting what he wants that cannot accept that Hamilton is his equal and not his subordinate. He thinks being a world champion gives hime special treatment. Thats not fair. Hamilton is just as good as driver so is entitled to the same treatment from the team. And if the team did tell Alonso to wait, he should have disobeyed orders and cleared the pit lane if he had any perspective of professionalism. When the drivers are on the track the team should let them race.
Gavin, Newport, UK
Fernando is no looking for his supremacy at their team as you the british media repeat incesantly. He is just amazed how Hamilton and his father could vary the statements of McLaren from Monaco.
No free strategies, everything submitted to Qualification, cloned data to World Champion cicerones de Luxe.....
Who is the number 1 driver really?
Sergio, Barcelona,
Brithish news are not being honest. They only say what British people want to hear. Fortunetly I speak french, English and Spanish, so I can read the same news in different languages. it's a pity that most Britishs can only speak English.
Both made wrong things several times, but this time was clearly Hamilton's fault. You have to do waht your boss tell you to do. He doesn't play fair and he doesn't seem a trustful person. he has a nice face and he is probably more polite than Alonso, but he doesn't play fair. He only is clever than Alonso, because he manages not to get punished.
Claire, Paris, France
Ana - unfortunately, you're misinformed. Alonso stayed put for the 20 seconds he was instructed to by his pit crew. However, when given the signal to go, he then decided to argue a point about his tyres which delayed his actual departure by a further 10 seconds. This additional delay is what is causing the controversy.
I'm all in favour of McLaren's long-running policy of allowing their drivers to prove their worth on the track. It makes for more entertaining viewing than we have in the Schumacher era!
redheadmavis, Cheltenham, UK
i like both drivers and understand their competetive position but this time Hamilton went a bit too far, similar to the Shumacker Barricello episode. What happened to Barrichelo did Hamilton think? He damaged his team position in the constructors points, he lost the true opurtunity to show what he is worth, or is he scared that if he has Alonso in front he has no chance? Its sad
José do Pilar, Maputo, Mozambique
I would like to see "yellow press" reaction if Alonso would insulted to Ron Dennis or contradicted McLaren in front of FIA.
It is too much to ask you to be as objective as possible, don't you?
Luis, Manchester,
To: paco polo, mallorca, spain, who says:
"ALONSO=FERRARI
MAcLAREN=GP2
DENNIS=??????????
HAMILTON = FAKE ,
JHON, VALDEPEÃâAS, ESPAÃâA"
Very succinctly put old boy. Do you have padded trousers to match your jacket and bedroom walls I wonder?
Mark, Birmingham, UK
I am Spanish and proud to have this great pilot since he is Fernando Alonso. It is not for offending but I believe that hamilton is a spoiled baby that not to worked to be in an equipment of these heights.
Big as Alonso and Shumacher they began from 0. Now this baby is not going to come to fastidarle his world one.
And let's not forget the helps that it receives of the FIA. that I surprise the English FIA and the pilot also. The you win of that an English pilot gains the world one they this one being hot. Then with what ocurrio with button a promise that I explode. Let's not let's want maple tree to a champion with the help of the english men. that it they play in the track, not with your influence.
Manuel Cabello, Barcelona - Terrassa, Spain
Alonso has to be recognized as the Champion. He has made McLaren a winner team after years of desert (remember Renault and see in what position is now). Schumaker has suffered his capabilities. Hamilton is just getting profit of Alonso's set up of the car. Only a champion like him could ask for special treatment as did Ferrari with Schumaker. Only a short-minded, couldn't understand that. The champion puts his rules, always. McLaren is not the Champion by now neither Hamilton.
Antoni, Vilassar de Mar, Catalunya, Spain
Hamilton copies the âtelemetriesâ, the adjustments of the returns of Alonso. The equipment does not celebrate the triumphs of Alonso. They put tires to him used for the last return of classification because the new ones does not have the suitable pressure! Hamilton does not obey the equipment orders and still she is applauded, although, soon âshe requests pardon and already she isâ is not a Mafia?
Luisito, Malaga, Spain
Didn't Mclaren know before they signed Alonso, that he throws all his dollies out of the pram when he loses, just take a look at last year, when Michael Schumacher took the lead in the drivers championship. Wake up Alonso!!!, see what we all can see, LH is going to be a natural world champion, THIS YEAR. Alonso should be grateful to have such a talanted team mate, perhaps Lewis will give him some guidance, starting with pit stops.
Melvin, Worcester, UK
as a daily reader of spanish and english papers i just wanna say that it is annoying to always hear those hyper-patriotic comments from the spaniards whenever a spaniard is affected.
it was the same with the new winner of the tour the france. everywhere you could read about the big questionmarks behind his victories but not in spain.
and now all papers and the spanish sportsfan are ignoring every mistake alonso did (like in hungaro) and blame hamilton for everything. i am sure that hamilton is not an easy guy, but neither is alonso. face that.. face it, that hamilton is at least as fast as alonso in his first season, my dear spanish patriots.
manuel konstantin, Vienna, Austria
So much for the overrated British Fair Play...Hamilton, who has finally taken off his mask and shown who he really is, was the one who started all, blatantly disobeying team's orders and insulting his boss (although the British Press keeps lobbying against Alonso), and as a reward he got the pole and the win by his father's friends at the maF.I.A. Hamilton is a good pilot, but he has shown he is not a true champion. Being a champion is not only driving fast (ask Raikkonen), but being able to develop a car and communicate it to the team (see Alson with Renault). Alonso will win the championship this year, and next year he'll move to another team, which he will make champions again. Last, but not least, a comment on Ed: There's no worse blind than he who does not want to see.
Victor, Indianapolis, Indiana (USA)
And as a Ferrari fan I don't want to see Alonso in a Ferrari. I hope that never happens! I don't want this whiney spoilt brat in a Ferrari. Please NO!
Suzanne, Miskolc, Hungary
Hamilton disobeyed team orders by not letting Alonso past on track before Alonso held Hamilton up in the pits.
Tom Watts, Paris, France
Hamilton is a cheater and should be fired, anyhow I don´t think Alonso will get any justice in Mc Laren, Hamilton is one of them and Ron Denis and the F1 circus want an Englishman as a Word Champion, so they will rob Alonso the titel
Jose, Bilbao, Spain
Alonso was blocking Hamilton´s access to the pit lane?. Didn´t Lewis have a crane available to move him back in position? I think stewards should be punished for their lack of attention to the boy.
Xao Vin, Madrid, Spain
You are right, Ana. But, as you know we are british and we are blind of love... Hamilton!!! we love you!!!
Felicity, Cambridge,
Just a reminder for those who think Alonso is losing against stronger than him: Alonso double world champion with Renault, he leaves the french manufacturer... where is Renault now??? Mclaren Mercedes not in such a good position of winning both titles since Hakinen, for years then, Alonso arrives... Mclaren and both drivers first in championship... question: where would be fast Hamilton if Alonso was not in McLaren???
Dan, Paris, France
Now I understand why Montoya left McLaren last season. He preferred NASCAR (where he is currently performing quite well and motivated) than staying in a squad with clear preferences to other drivers: yesterday was Kimi, now is Lewis
Gustavo, Bogotá, Colombia
Great to see some proper competition and a bit of spice within the sport. The incident itself is straightforward; Hamilton was un-professional and disobeyed the orders of his team while Alonso blocked him in a cynical way. Alonso is a highly talented professional while Hamilton is raw but touched by genius. A Prost vs Senna for our times. We should savour it!
David, Hong Kong,
I think the situation is this: McLaren has the best tester who is Pedro de la Rosa. Last year they hired the best driver, but, mostly, the best tuner. Alonso knows how to tune the car better than anybody. Last year, all of a sudden, Hamilton was promoted. Now they have Alonso to get information from the cars that Hamilton can use. It is a perfect plan plotted for years by Ron Dennis.
Juampa, Madrid, Spain
HAM ignoring the orders from his team (who pays him) and giving orders to his maFIA. Interesting. By the way, He only wins the races when he starts at pole position.
Carlos, Madrid, Spain
Alonso is not a Sister of Mercy, but Hamilton is too rebel. If he´s able to speak to his chief as he did, let the time goes by and you will see that he´ll become the teammate that nobody wants, and his behaviours will lead him to 2nd file teams because the main teams don´t need this kind of riders. Too many problems! Should he be able to develope a car? As we say in Spain, "este ha venido a mantel puesto", that it means that he arrived with all work done. (Sorry for my english).
Ivan Lopez, Valencia, Spain
Alonso must accept all the conditions that Mclaren said because he´s not the boss.
Félix, Madrid, Spain
The 2 drivers were winding each other up and one of them won - that's what happens in a healthy team. No-one was put in any danger so the intervention by the stewards is ... puzzling.
Alan Chesterman, Bournemouth, UK
Next year, without Alonso's setups and telemetries, Hamilton won't be as good. And related to the incident, Hamilton was very dirty. I'm really disspaointed with him, I though it would play fair. Shame on you Hamilton, you can't win by letting your team without points and damaging your teammate in such way. If this are your starts on F1, how will you be in 5 years?
Boris, Bonn, Germany
All world have heard Hamilton cursing ...Ron Denis.... Remember the Hamilton cry at Monaco, where there is no opportunity to overtake, he cried to all world... he is not building, rather destroying team. Alonzo came with Team Spirit :)
Such, Vilnius, Lithuania
It would be a dangerous decision to let Fernando go because his entourage (do not forget quite some technical people came with him) will most certainly leave with him. Fernando's experience (of developping cars and setting them up) is something Lewis still has to learn. It would be loose - loose situation for all concerned.
Maybe McLaren should get Ross Brawn and make him team principle, I'm convinced he has the ability (and experience) to deal with situations like this !
HJ Meijers, Brussels, Belgium
When watching the making of Mercedesâ latest commercial (shot in a Woking hotel) it appears that there is nil aggravation between Alonso and Hamilton. The more this drags on the more it seems that the feud between the two is much ado about nothing. Indeed such a feud is deeply necessary because the on-track action is too boring to watch; at least it was last Sunday.
vdp, Kelvedon, UK
Alonso can be arrogant sometimes, but he´s the best at the moment...and the world champion. I think he deserves a better treatment and more respect...Specially from the british press.
Hamilton is a very good driver, and he ´ll be the the world champion one day....probably this year...but he´s getting so many helps, that he shouldn´t be proud of that....
Everybody is against Alonso (inclueded the organisation).
Viva Alonso!!!!!!!
David Brown, LA, USA
What about the improper and disloyal attitude of Hamilton disobeying the team´s order of leaving Alonso overtaking him in Hungaroring training, according to the alternative right to the last round? This is the actual cause of the problem and I didn´t see or hear anything about.
Pedro, Bilbao, Spain
hamilton is the best
javier, Zaragoza, spain
Honourable English people, open your eyes.. Hamilton is not the jewel we all believed he was.. He may be such a talented driver but facts (betrayals - to Ron, fernando and even Mclaren-,arrogance, ungratefulness...) have brought him to the ground. Alonso´s biggest sin may be the lack of charm or smiles (superficial things anyway..) with even a biggest talent on the road. No doubt, Hamilton´s ethic and sportmanship is still away from a champion´s one.
Ixnay, Bournemouth, UK
Hamilton is good pilot, but Alonso is bi-champion of the world, has much to learn like pilot...... and like person, I do not doubt that he will be champion, but it will not be it with Alonso in the track in equality of conditions, Alonso is superior.
Toma.toma y toma.
Juan Lopez, Leon, spain
Sure!!
Alonso and Hamilton , they are so good becoause the team have got a lot stolen information from Ferrari .
In Australia McLaren were a second a lap slower then Ferrari
soon they ( McLaren ) receveid all those infos.
They were fast . Is that a coincidence ?
McLaren should be desqualified right a way .No esitation
NOW.
Sebastiano, Toronto, Canada
i think all spanish fans and especially alonso himself are getting seriously paranoid! there is no battle "spain vs britain" at all - it is a battle between alonso and hamilton on a level playing field! so don't behave like a crying baby...
toni , bremen, germany
It's clear for me and for other people, not only in my contry, but in other places too, that Lewis should be punished about what he has done. He disobeyed an order, he insulted his boss and he, as in words of Ron Dennis critiziced his teammates. Of course he will not be kicked out of the team, he's a great driver, and the team needs drivers like him if they want the triumph on their side. But Alonso is a great driver too, and Lewis has to respect him. We all know Lewis has told everyone and everywhere he does respect him, but, as far as I can see, he's not demonstrating it. I trully think the reason he's acting that way is beacuse the F1, leaded by britons mostly, and his contry press is showing him they will be with him allways, even if this kicks out Fernando out of a race. As for the british press, you should think about doing some autocritycs. People in your country really think and say Lewis acted wrongly in Hungary, so, if even Lewis' compatriots can do it, then, why can't you?
Ricardo, Elche, Spain
what a petulant child. just because he's not as good as a 21 year old rookie. lewis hamilton is displaying senna like qualities with his gamesmanship and i for one love it. never really been in to f1 but the way this kkid drives and acts is first class. he's a revelation and alonso i think knows that lewis is better than him. get alonso in another team and watch lewis beat him there as well.
andy, newcastle,
English parochialism is alive and well, at least in Formula 1.
Edwin Rogers, Auckland, New Zealand
Dear Maximilliam: as you said this post it's full of spaniards moaning and complaining... Except that Miami, London or Alaska is not Spain.... what I see here is a 90/10 against Hamilton....
Roger, Spain,
Alonso should use his talent, not dirty tactics to get pole. Clearly he is unable sometimes to dig deep off his own back. Lewis is a very talented boy, and dose have the very spark within him that set Senna and Schumacher apart from the rest. Fernando has to raise his game to beat his quick team mate, not think about running away to find a team that licks his shoes!
All I can say is, carry on Lewis, just enjoy the effect your having on the rest, Kimi is your only real threat! But having them chase you is far better than you chasing them.
Scott Stringfellow, Aylesbury, United Kingdom
There is little doubt that Hamilton is a fantastic driver. But this issue is the result of Hamilton's disregard for team orders. He has clearly shown he doesn't give a toss about the team, but cares only about himself. If you still think he cares about the team, look at the transcripts of his conversation with Ron Dennis... nice payback to the man he has invested 10 years on making him what he is.
On the next few races we may even see a bunch of stewards pushing Hamilton's car past the finish line if his engine dies. Because up until now, they have used a crane to put him back on the circuit after going off (first ever), and punished his teammate for not taking immediately off after the lollipop is lifted (first ever)... apparently he is the chosen one, and nothing will change that.
Raf, Boston, USA
1º Hamilton disobeyed team orders.
2º Alonso in to fast lap by 0,3 seconds only. Great calculation
3º The hamilton's Fhater and Brother are the stars of the F1?
Sorry for my english
Manuel, Santiago, Spain
I think that Hamilton now regrets the outcome of his protest. The constructors crown is the team aim irispective of who wins the drivers championship. And he missed a chance to show us what he is made of.
J.A.Houghton, Exeter, Devon
A little bit of a storm in a tea-cup, isn't it? 20 years ago Senna and Prost were doing all but trying to kill each other in McLarens, and Ron kept pretty quiet when Ayrton tried to recreate the Le Mans disaster at Estoril '88, or when Alain did that classy foul at Suzuka '89. While violent collisions and the like should be stopped, the whole thing's a bit /too/ sanitised now. Of course, though, it involves Hammy, so the UK press turn it into something massive.
Neither driver has me 100% convinced, frankly. Alonso had a good time of it at Renault, with his manager running the show and the very poor Fisichella as his team-mate. This season, however, he's been far too easily rattled, a little inconsistent and a whiner.
Hamilton, on the other hand, doesn't like it up him. Talented though he is, he's had a magic carpet ride into and in F1, and needs to learn to take a bit of gamesmanship.
All this said, I think Ron regerts giving Alonso a huge contract now he's seen how fast Lewis is...
Tom, Winchester, England
I am sure Alonso will be this year's champion and after that he will leave McLaren, so what a shame for the British! Is very sad to see how such a bad-mannered newbie driver like Hamilton orders Ron Dennis what his team has to do....
Eckaerd, Brecon, Wales
Its a pity, a bad situation for everyone, It seems that Hamilton did not respect Dennis. Hamilton is a good pilot with the best car now, -can you imagine Hamilton with a Toro Rosso??: always losing races,-,-- and he does not need tricks to win.
francisco, palma, spain
Alonso is crying because he has been completely outclassed by the British driver Hamilton in front of the whole world.
Kevin Smith, London, England
It´s a pity Alsono cannot deal with the pressure he´s getting from Lewis on the track. After all he´s twice world champion and should focus more on his skills and experience than complaining about not being treated with respect. He´s a true fighter on the track! But at the same time he´s such a disgruntled fellow! That disturbing tendency of his goes back to the past season with Renault.
larry taylor, stockholm, sweden
Hamilton is a loser!!! He wins at the offices what he is not able to win on the motorway.
He is a spoiled baby kid who doesnt know how to lose, sorry, open ur eyes, cause this time Alonso will win again even all the team is against him!!!
AC, madrid,
A Team is a Team is a Team. Next thing will be the FIA taking point of a driver because he used soft tires and his team mate used hard ones or because he used a two stop strategy and his partner used a three stops. Hamilton is all to happy to share the telemetries and the improvements that Alonso brings to the car but not to follow the strategy and orders that allow each driver to have an extra Q3 lap every other race. How sad was to see Hamilton exultant to win a race thanks to comity decissions that did not allow his partner to compete with him. Being in a team also means the security that your partner will not drive you off the road, or does it?
Harold, London,
Hamilton is not a good person, is a cheat, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes must penalize him. Alonso must win the World Championship again.
David, Manchester,
All I can say is that cheaters never prosper, and to me Hamilton is a spoiled youngster who needs to learn to play fair if he wants to be anyhitng in F1.
Frank, Sydney, Australia
Alonso shakes Mclaren basements!
It's really fair to ask the former world champion to develop a competive car and after that be betrayed by your own teammate?
It's really fair to ask Alonso for equality if Ron Dennis has a big pressure to make LH world champion this very year by sponsors, media, etc?
It's really fair to involve the Hungarian marshalls in a team decision by LH request ?
Hamilton is a lab product. Good driver but a childish pilot.
Mclaren shows each GP to the whole world how clumsy can be...Brits, you don't deserve this lamentable show!
Jordi, Barcelona, Spain
It seems unjust to me what it has done to him ENTRUSTS in Fernando Alonso. Fernando is in an English equipment, where of form totally behaved shamelessly they are doing traps to him so that English his compatriotra wins like whatever the cost. Treasonous and cheating Alonso must leave this English equipment of, and finally bet by BMW. Hamilton is full of favoristismos of Mclaren and the FIA.Es an allowed boy and in addition has robbed him the first position and that will pay it.
Paco, SEVILLA, SPAIN
Who's the best pilot?. If we just consider to drive, both of them are really good. But, it's clear that, at this moment, Alonso is better in the rest of areas:
- When Hamilton tried to set up his car in the English Championship, he proved his poor skills. He copies all the Alonso's setups.
- Hamilton is learning from a master.
- But Hamilton doesn't show any respect. No respect during Monaco or Hungary grand prix.
Spanish outrage is not due by the equality of conditions (that's a good thing). In fact, there's no equality of conditions because Hamilton is British and he has too many advantages (FIA's favours, McLaren's favours, Ron's favours, ...). Maybe it will change in the future (in any company, Lewis wouldn't run anymore after his insults to Ron.
Perhaps gentlemanliness is not a British feature anymore. You prefer to come back to piracy ;)
There are 6 grand prix from now. And, fortunately, there's enought time to check who is the best pilot.
Alonso will win.
Regards from Spain
Jaime, Valladolid, Spain
Ok Ok, Alonso guilty, Alonso punished.
But now, what will we do with Lewis, the great treasonus?
Band of hens, Mclaren. co co co co co
John Smith, Portsmouth, UK
It is a bit pathetic to see how english press is only focusing in one part of the incident during last weekend race: the pit stop. It's obvious, for tv watchers it seemed as a clear cheating act from Alonso. I am not going to defend him blindly but at least we have to see the full picture: Hamilton started to make trouble when he ignored team orders for six times, stealing Alonso's extra lap in qualifying. If this would have been doen by the spaniard I am sure it would have been mentioned a lot more. Bottom line, Hamilton is today leader because partly he's been using Alonso's experience and not happy with that he disregards any order which is not in his benefit.
I think Alonso will never get a fair treatment in this team....it's a shame because Mclaren will suffer the consequences when Alonso goes to a rival team ... them will know who the number one is!. BTW, can someboddy ask Hamilton's dad to stay home!!!!????
Jose, Barcelona,
I don't understend why the english press aren't objetive and reconognize that Fernado have two championships. Hamilton is a good pilot with a very good car, but he must be most respect to a World champion. Please, more respect to spanish people and our champion. When Hamilton have the same that Alonso have now, you can speak... While you should't speak too much because nobody knows about Hamilton tempered. Maybe, next week, he wants to change of team, or he wants to pilot a motor bike,... In conclusion he is a capricious and the baby spoiled of ron Dennis.
It's a bad image for Mc Laren team.....
Alonso, te queremos y eres el mejor (Alonso, we love you and you are the best)
I think that English press need a lesson of journalism. the first lesson tha a student of journalist learn are the objetive of their news... Maybe you need that spanish profesor teach you...
Lore, Santiago, Spain
Itâs a shameful time for McLaren having Hamilton as a driver. We should not forget that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes itâs one single team and the target to win the constructors championship. Hamilton itâs the type of people who breaks the harmony and the pace of the whole team . Itâs arrogant and heâs beehives is inadmissible.
Cristian, London,
As many people have already pointed out, this is some of the best competition we have seen in years.
Here are two fiercely competitive drivers who just happen to be on the same team. The younger driver wants to win: to prove himself worthy. The champion - wants to keep his title, his position as the lead driver, and prove he can do it again - to become a legend.
All in all it makes for good drama.
Was Hamilton right to kick up a fuss? Maybe. Was Alonso told to hold Hamilton up longer at the pits, or was he just teaching Hamilton a lesson to prove a point? We don't know.
We do know that their actions caused the *Team* to lose points - and that shows bad decision making.
Hamilton is a gifted driver with a lot to prove - both on and off the track that he is worthy of his ride.
Instead of looking for a new team, Alonso should take a page from the book of Schumacher - even in defeat-act ice cold.
If Alonso wishes to teach a lesson let it be through his driving - not whining
Nicholas Gardner, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
I have been a keen follower of F1 for the last ten years or so and have always supported McLaren. I have also admired Alonso and I was so inspired regarding his decision to move to McLaren even when it seemed non-sensical since Renault were doing so well. But as he said at the time, he wanted a new challenge. Is there anything more worthy?
Still, I cant help but see the irony. It was all rhetoric without substance. Seeking a challenge is not demanding to be the number 1 driver (based on your former reputation) when you have an equally worthy champion; isn't that why Alonso has been angered at McLaren all this time. Why can't the Spanish contigent on here realise that Alonso's moaning did not begin this weekend? Yes, Lewis' behaviour in Hungary was uncalled for and Alonso and his Spanish fans have jumped on it since its the only time they can claim hard-done by! That people, is shameful opportunism.
Alonso. Quit making mistakes. Win races. Respect the team. And we'll love you!
Tim Mbugua, Kent, England
Hi all,
i agree in the fact that Lewis Hamilton is a fantastic driver, but do not agree in his ethics and manners. The fact is:
- Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso must obey the internal accords.
- In Hungaroring Lewis Hamilton made a bad thing, not Alonso. All people thing Lewis Hamilton could have made the pole, but that is a contrafactic. Or the pole-position time of Alonso was not good?
I think the fact was that Alonso were at two points back to Hamilton. With the pole, Alonso could have won and then, become the new leader of the championship. This were too painly for Hamilton, and actuating stupidily made all that we saw: not obey to Ron Dennis and not be a legal companion to Alonso.
This is the objectiv view of the fact.
José Luis, Plasencia, España
I have read all comments writen by F1 fans. I admit that spanish fans are not objective, nor are english ones (although many of them support Alonso here. Guys, you´re not being patriotic!!! Shame on you). But let´s read the other fans´comments. They may not be objective, but at least they are not blind due patriotic reasons.
11 english posts : Alonso wins 8 - 3
36 spanish posts : 36 - 0 (My god, spaniards must be hooligans!)
16 posts from the rest of the world : Alonso wins 7 - 4
It looks are more people support Alonso, even in England.
People may not know as much as reporters, but everybody can see the race, the qualifying and read the papers. Reading their posts, I assume that people understands Alonso´s position better than Hamilton one.
Let´s read inside comments:
Eddie Jordan : "So whether he likes to believe it or not, Hamilton has a benefit from Alonso being in the team."
I´ll follow up in another post
javier, Madrid, Spain
I was disappointed that Hamilton complained to the FIA, when this matter should have been handled internally. I understand Hamilton's competitiveness and desire to win. But such desires must be tempered with a sense of fairness and teamplay. Hamilton disobeyed team orders earlier during qualifying when the team had a strategy in place that would have provided equal number of flying laps to both drivers. Alonso may or may not have intentionally impeded Hamilton in the pits. BUT, McLaren officials went on the record stating that Alonso was following team strategy for qualifying, while also going on the record to say that Hamilton himself caused the delay in the pits. If Hamilton had handled this internally, the worst situation that could have happened was that he would have started 2nd, while Alonso was in pole. It would have been a 1-2 start and possibly a 1-2 finish for McLaren. Instead, McLaren got no team points. Hamilton accomplished his individual goal at the expense of the team.
Armanius, Houston, Texas, USA
I find it absolutely fascinating how emotional the vast majority of those Spanish people that have 'had their say' on this forum. Clearly, Fernando Alonso is a very gifted driver. You do not win 2 Championships in a row, unless you have the talent, dedication and the ruthlessness you need to succeed in getting to the top of your sport. There is no doubt he has done exceptionally well.
However, these Spanish people need to accept that another driver has emerged who appears to have similar gifts to their hero. Lewis Hamilton has proven so far that he can compete with Fernando Alonso. What is great is that they are driving the same car, have the same set up etc. Everything is on equal terms. At the end of the season, the best man will triumph.
All this talk about Fernando Alonso being unfairly treated, not respected is laughable. Obviously, Alonso and all his Spanish fans are rattled and are feeling very threatened by an exciting new talent who is trying to ruin the Alonso party.
Michael Vooght, Stevenage, England
The English people and press seem to forget that McLaren took the decision to keep Fernando in the box, not himself. It was an internal thing, a lessong for Hamilton, so he understands what happens when you disobbey. The FIA should stay far away from it. England seem to forget that McLaren (Ron Dennis) punished Hamilton.
Hamilton is a great driver, inmense talent, but a rookie, the F1 is not the GP2, he needs the settings from Alonso to be competitive until he learns to do it alone. And if Alonsos reason is not credible neither is Hamilton`s, as somebody said in one message. If Hamilton is so good how couldn`t he let Alonso pass and not Raikkonen? Hamilton`s reason is as stupid as Alonsos.
And why are we condemed to see Hamilton`s family every race and all the time? I do not thin that he is the only one with a family proud of him?
I am not defending Alonso, I think he is as guilty as Hamilton, but the most guilty in my opinion for all the madness is Ron, he does not know how to handle.
migel, Bilbao, Spain
There is considerable discussion on here regarding team orders and Hamilton disobeying them but each driver is responsible for his own car and no-one else's. Dennis' radio message was a request, no more. As long as Hamilton obeyed the FIA's rules, and didn't block or obstruct Alonso, then he's perfectly entitled to do what's in his best interests. Alonso, on the other hand, blocked Hamiton in the pits. Why is immaterial in the eyes of the governing body. He was clear to go and should have done so. He stated clearly that he was aware of Hamilton waiting behind him but wanted to go out when there was a gap in the traffic. That is not good enough. The startling coincidence that it was just long enough to negate Hamilton's chance at pole is completely immaterial. Alonso stopped him from the pit unnecessarily. In the past this has often resulted in the offender being relegated to the back of the grid and no other team has been penalised points before. Alonso got away with it.
Derek Smith, Brighton, UK
Well, if McLaren gives the same treat to both drivers: why did Dennis go to congratulate to Hamilton to a race that Alonso wons?
Nerea M.R., Barcelona,
I agree and support Alfonso's fantastic comment...
Alonso is fighting not only on the circuits but against his British team-mate, his British team (Mercedes-McDonaldsLaren), his British boss, the Britih media, the owners of the circus (what a coincidence, they are also british!) Max Moxley (president of FIA) and Bernie Ecclestone (owner of Formula 1)
Fernando I hope you'll get your fourth world title in another team. Leave this lousy team ASAP!
Mike (from Spain), Seville,
Alonso is the best!
Joe, Ciutadella de Menorca, Spain
If you look at the Team table with one exception its pairs of drivers all the way down to position 14. This proves its technology controlling the winning order not the drivers. At least this way we have two drivers with the same technology competing. They should be forced to compete by the rules and they should all stop whining like Girlies.There should be no team orders allowed . If you can win you should win.The FIA should force them to see out their contracts. That would make for a brilliant two seasons. !
I think its great :-) A feud always brings more customers and the FIA should see this as good not bad . I havent watched the GP for years because Shoemaker and Ferrari were so boring.
I'm looking forward to a night race in Singapore and Alonso v Hamilton . What a great day that will be.
Mike Smith, Singapore,
This is getting absolutely ridiculous, all of these Spanish people pretending to be from England defending the actions of Alonso. Can we please get one thing straight here? I have got no idea what the spanish press are saying but Alonso was NOT ordered to stay in the pits and hold up Lewis! Ron Dennis has said that it was Alonso's decision NOT Lewis Hamilton's. Do you understand that?? Alsonso was caught cheating!! he got caught and he was punished. Lewis Hamilton was only guilty of ignoring a team order, he did not break any rules and he was not guilty of cheating.
Alonso cannot stand the pressure of having a team mate who is as quick (if not quicker) than himself, he is cracking up and crying like a 5 year old child who's toys have been taken off him. The man is not acting like a world champion and it is pathetic. His fans can defend him all day if they want but they are just deluding themselves and make themselves sound as pathetic as their hero.
Pedro Manuel Gonzales Da Silva, Barcelona, Spain
Alonso is the number One, and he will win ..Hello Jamfri From Spain...
Rafa, Barcelona, España
The F1 racing team is called Mclaren Mercedes not Mclaren Alonso or Hamilton. For 10M a year Alonso should do what he is paid for and honor the contract he signed. Play politics and you'll end up where Button is. Good luck Ron Dennis.
L.Seaman, Mallorca, Spain
Lewis is an excellent driver but his childish manoeuvre is unprofessional. To save McLaren reputation, Dennis have to punish Hamilton for non respection the team orders. Though HAMILTON championship will be in doubt, the sanction will recver McLaren team confidence and integrity. Otherwise, any future F1 driverchampion will be sceptic to McLaren.
BAKKALI Mohammed Nidar, tangier, Morocco
Ok, Michael Strelitz, London, can you tell me wich Formula 1 rules disobeyed Alonso???
And another question, who of both is a cry-baby, Alonso or Hamilton sending his father to speak the stewards???
It's amazing
Paula Pérez, Oviedo, Spain
Get some perspective, he swore at his boss in the heat of battle, and failed to stick to a set of instuructions due to Kimi Raikonnen being right behind. It was not that serious and does not compare to blocking your team mate having a final lap. Alonso is petulant and self-important. The FIA were right to punish him for such a blatant move. Also why is there such a focus on LH's father? What does he have to do with any thing? Didn't Alonso, bring his physiotherapist and mother along to Hungard? Alonso physiotherapist what up with that . Is Alonso, owning up to issues? Alonso really want to go to Ferrari, I like to see Alonso go to Ferrari and order Raikonnen to be his boy. I been watching F1, for years because of Michael and Ferrari, now I have switch team to McLaren because of Lewis. No F1 race here in the USA, but I will becoming to Lewis home Britain, to watch him race.
Paul , New York, USA
Strange times:
Dennis with two drivers in first position in the F1 World Champìonship, its atacking by the FIA for spionaje, for the drivers because its nor fair play with both, and for the british press for dont help enough Hamilton. Angry times for Ron.
ricardo munoz, Madrid, Spain
If Lewis Hamilton wins this season´s F1 championship it will be so with a little help from his friends: McLaren, daddy and the family, Ron Dennis, the FIA, Nigel Stepley and, last but not least, the amazing crazy crane.
tato dulanci, Vitoria, Spain
I cant describe this situation. Hamilton is very arrogant. Alonso wins two world championship and Hamilton have the lucky to sign in an important and prestigious team with his age. Alonso wins ever with work and ilusion. Fernando know more about f1 world and give every tecnics informations to Louis. Renault win the championship because alonso work in this team. Alonso is a crack, is an person who so there is so one in more years. Ron is wrong if Fernando go out because lost a start. FERNANDO = CRACK. Please think about them Ron.
Mike, Santiago de Compostela, Spain
McLaren is choosing Hamilton instead of Alonso, I understand that because of British Media. But as a F1 fan long long time ago, it's not the right desition, someone like Ron Dennis SHOULD do what is best for his team, and forget the country their drivers are from.
Who wants to bet that Alonso next year in Ferrari (I hope he will go there in case of moving) will win the w.championship?
Marc, Barcelona,
If a briton drived on a spanish team would not be so bad treated by media as Fernando is by british. The lack of UK sport sucesses made Hamilton issue close fans's eyes. Not fans, in fact, but hooligans.
Peter Brasslamp, Tunbridge wells, UK
Alonso guity, Alonso punished. Ok Ok.
And now... What will we do with LH, the great treasonous?
coco co co coco co. Mclaren hens!!!
John Smith, Gibraltar, España
For the McLaren equipment it seems to be that Hamilton is I number one, but is not thus, the only one that has demonstrated to be I number the one Fernando Alonso, and Hamilton has demonstrated to be a mimado boy that she does not know to win if she does not cry, besides to copy all the settings of the car of Alonso, gustaria me who Alonso outside McLaren to see itself that she is what the next year without and with Hamilton like aircraft commander does, Mclaren volveria to the one of 8 years ago, not to gain anything. All Spain with Fernando Alonso
Tony, Spain,
I´m sorry for the poor Hamilton´s father but, the name of next F1 word champion is FERNANDO ALONSO DIAZ.
I don't understand to the team Maclaren they hire the best driver in the world, and they put to their side to a beginner that only copies their data, it is as putting a robot to the steering wheel, also when he doesn't have data doesnt pay attention to the team or he has an accident.
Justo, Barcelona, Spain
anton, we have to learn froma chinese I guess...
fran, valladolid,
Alonso poured scorn over Michael Schumacher until his retirement, this would leave the way clear for Alonso to become the new world champion. Or so he thought until Hamilton spoilt that! In fact Hamilton is a greater adversary than MS. Alonso is embittered and not averse at playing a sly game. Viva Hamilton!
HDS, London, UK
It's great to see McLaren back at the top where they belong and producing such intense rivalry in the Prost/Senna mould, this is what Formula one has been lacking during the Schumacher era where everyone was afraid to tread on the World Champion's toes, look where Reubens ended up for daring to challenge. What sort of World Champion is afraid of a bit of rivalry....one who won't be at the top for much longer!
Michael, Hertford, England
Hamilton is a ruthless driver whose attitude now is one of arrogance. The way he allegedly spoke to the Head of Mclaren is just amazing, amazing that he wasn't sacked for slagging off with such language. How did he get away with it? No, Hamilton is showing that nothing will impede his march to the world championship. But it will not last. He will either be overtaken, be sacked and then have to find a team that will take him on and heaven help that team that takes on this egocentric driver for the future. A stint down the ladder will do him and all of us the world of good so he can learn that youth is not all it is cracked up to be. Respect your boss Hamilton.
Anthony, London, UK
FIA punished Alonso for no reason and cannot be justified, and this is the first time a driver accusses his team mate, something that causes Alonso starting from the 6th position. Absolutely outrageous!! That's what I call sport. Message for Lewis: clean your clothes at home, otherwise you will just get pathetic wins, or being fired...
Ian, bishop's stortford, herts
In Spain the media is giving a different view, it is supposed that Alonso keep the car for 20 s at the pit stop because McLaren wanted to punish Hamilton ignoring team order about qualifying laps order. There is also the believe that Hamilton has no idea on the tunning of the car, as was clear when he said that he fail because he didn't copy Alonso configuration in Silverstone. Also it is assumed that Ecclestone and FIA as a whole is clearly pro-Hamilton, as it seems as an english world champion could arrive long time, this believe was supported by the strange situation in Nurbumbring when they put his car again on the race, leaving other five cars out. This situation is really radical, and people here in Spain is starting to really hate Hamilton and everything related to England. Really sorry about F1, it seems that money is destroying any sport that could still be in it...
Kahuna, Madrid, Spain
Hi, I'm from Germany (Mercedes-Benz) It was super that Ron Dennis told the Spain-Man what's going on. Only the best can drive an Mercedes Benz
Tina Brach, Altrip, Germany
The race is much more that be quick in the race.
To be quick, first you have to do a good tuning of the car and Lewis has not the knowledge to do it.
He is taking advantage the experience of the two times world champion but his pride (and his father) doesn´t let see this.
Imagine Lewis in Ferrari with Schumacher. Do you think Michael will share his knowledge? In Ferrari with Michael Lewis would be lucky to be in the third or fourth place in the races.
It´s not a help for him to encourage him to keep that actitude. If he think he knows everything, he will slow his progress. I think than the modesty is the way to be better and even Schumacher or Alonso were learning some years until they were prepared to be self-sufficient.
It would be funny see Alonso in Ferrari against Hamilton. Funny to Alonso, of course.
alberto, madrid, spain
Lets assume that Alonso cheated not allowing Hamilton his last fast lap and therefore he gets penalized for it. Why 5 positions? why not 10 or 15, or complete desqualification? (there are no written rules) ... Or perhaps, why not 1 position? At the end of the day, Alonso interfered only with one driver, Hamilton. Logically, he should have been penalized with only one position and leave this wonderful sport alive... let the asphalt talk. If the rules are not written anywhere, at least lets make them logical.
Carlos Omenaca, Miami, FL
Just a few quyestions for Mr. Denis: I read about the "parity rules" in your team. How many contructor championships did you got with this "parity rules" in the last....10 years? And how many did Ferrari got in the meanwhile? The only rules in sports are numbers. Are you satisfied with yours? Can you imagine a top 3 football team in UK, Italy or Spain having the same figures and having the same manager, coach....? And if Alonso leaves your team, do you think that any other world champion driver will leave his team to join your team? And what about Mercedes? Are they happy with this situation? and what about your spnosors? I can tall you that my new mobile phone is not a vodafone, I have a BMW and my new car will be a BMW as well, and I do not have any money in Santander bank
Spaniard, Barcelona, Barcelona
What Lewis did during quallifying had no impact on Alonso's qualifying outcome, so I do not understand people who are blaming Lewis for what happened.
On the contrary, Alonso had purposely prevented Lewis from taking the pole, which shows how desperate he is getting.
Alonso deserved to have his pole taken away from him, but McLaren should not have been penalised.
Alonso should have known that he was not signing for Ferrari, and that McLaren were expecting him to lead the team on the track, not on status.
Ahmad, Tunbridge Wells,
It's unbelieveble how the british press manipulate the facts. The english people take for granted that Alonso deliberately stopped at the paddock to prevent Hamilton from doing his last lap, but you don't take into account that Alonso stopped because of the team.
And more important than that: Hamilton disobeyed the team instructions. He didn't allow Alonso to overtake him and then he only thought on himself when he told the FIA about what he thought it had happened.
This way of acting is utterly selfish and disgusting. I think Hamilton has a lot to learn yet, and if the doesn't change his way of acting he will have lots of problems in the future. He should be less arrogant, taking into account that it's his first time in F1.
Lorena, Valencia, Spain
What a lot of cry-babies. Hamilton may have disobeyed team rules, but Alonso disobeyed Formula 1 rules. Poor Alonso fans can't bear to see him being well and truly beaten time after time.
Michael Strelitz, London,
This situation is unreal, hopefully Alonso will join Ferrari and them will see what Hamilton can do againts him....absollutly nothing, I never understood why he signed for a british team, he should be in a latin team, our culture is much more close to them and to be honest, to read comments like the one from Brigthon makes me laught..., to compair Hamilton and Alonso is like to compair Arsenal and Barcelona.....
Came om Alonso, the asturian power will beat jude......
Richard, Oviedo, Spain
My irish wife told me, why don't you speak to your boss in the same terms Hamilton did to his. I think I'd better keep my job... and shut my mouth.
Miguel, Asturies, Spain
Hamilton should win the races driving not buying FIA's hearts.
Peter Brasslamp, Cadiz, Spain
I'm from Spain,I'm not going to hide myself behind a faked name, Alonso is the Champion, Hamilton is a rookie, I haven't seen Hamilton overtaking any drivers without safetycar or pit stop, he must talk in the race, not in the office.
Pablo, Seville, Spain
Hamilton needs telemetrics from Fernando. Hamilton don´t have team´s spirit. ( Renault´s engineers cries for Fernando)I think F. Alonso must go to other team who wants to play and win.
Henry, Toronto, Canada
The root cause of all what happened during the weekend is that Hamilton disobeyed team orders on Saturday. The outcome is that McLaren lost an incredible opportunity to increase the gap with Ferrari. How is it possible that Hamilton disobey team orders constantly and is never reproached & penalized for those actions? Difficult to understand and I guess it must be also difficult to work in a company ruled by the favouritism and exclusion instead of the meritocracy.
Francisco, Madrid, Spain
How many times Hamilton had a problem in his car this year?
And How many times Alonso didit? It isn´t strange?
No cambio, tires anything...
Do you thinhg it is the value that Ron Dennis told us?
edmar, niteroi, brazil
If you were Alonso and your team tells you to stop what would you do? (I expect not everyone in England is like Lewis, I suppose...) And if then your team mate disobeys and gets the pole and you are sanctioned 5 positions and lose a race which was in your hands (Alonso's strategy was even better than Hamilton's), what would you say?
If your team mate can insult his boss, lose all the team points and do what he wants to do even against the team, would you consider that "equal treatment"?
Is this a fair competition?What will be the next?Alonso running against Lewis with an MP4... and Lewis wins!! What a great driver!!
You don't deserve a champion like Fernando, next year you will be begging him to come back...
Pitu, Oviedo, Asturias/Spain
alonso is the man, no doubt. Mclaren is wrong for sure. Alonso is still young, double word champion, experienced,capable of developing a winning car, fast in dry and wet conditions. Hamilton reminds me a sort of caligula betraying Ron Dennis, its a shame though. I m sure at the end if Mclaren let them compete the Spaniard will beat him for sure, the only race Hamilton has been quicker was Canada¡¡¡but with the aid of the team in both qualifying and the bad luck of Alonso he get through .. We will see what happens in the remaining 6 races... ask michael schumaccer and kimi. I still want to see hamilton and Alonso face to face in a circuit like Spaa or Suzuka...
Ricardo, Madrid, Spain
Mr Gorman: Why do you still use only one eye to see what had happened at Hungary?. Alonso doesn´t need that, HE IS DOUBLE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Hamilton...? maybe this year, but will you clearly be satisfy of it?. I wouldn't. He is an unmattured guy that he didn´t accepted team orders, he shouted to his boss, his mentor, he claimed things at Montecarlo that put Mclaren into a problem... Maybe we are not very objectives, but Mr Gorman, are you? ...
Carlos, Bonilla, MEX
We are not being fair with a twice and reigning world-champion. He has no other place to find help than the track, just for not being British. I wish it rained more often. Water clarifies everything, especially when you are driving a Formula One car, os simply a car. We all know that, Spaniards, British, English and Asturian (the Spanish rainy Principality where Alonso is from). I am spending my holidays in that region and am delighted at how people drive when it's raining. We never do that back in good all Britain, not even in Scotland.
Joe, London, United Kingdom
Anyone else think it's funny to see so many Spanish people living in England with English names?
It's a sad way of trying to give the impression that there is a consensus on the issue. If you're going to do it, please, please at least use a spell checker and remove the character accents! At least then it'll be plausible!
That aside, why should Hamilton be kept back from reaching his potential. None of us would accept that in our respective workplaces. If Alonso wants to win he should do it on the track, it's that simple.
A B Ritt, Hampshire, England
Lewis is a lucky baby, Fernando is the number one
silvie, Rome, Italy
I'd like to know what think the people at Mercedes. If Alonso goes to BMW and they win next year championship.... they could say they're better than Mercedes, and that's a lot of money and free publicity...
Eduardo, Madrid, Spain
It's incredible after a lot of years with Schumacher dominating the championship finally we have two great drivers compiting against Ferrari and among themselves. It's great.
The question is that it's clear that Alonso is going to suffer in McLaren with Hamilton, and in my opinion if there have been problems inside the team, it has to remain inside the team. Imagine that Alonso had claimed to the FIA against Hamilton... probably everybody would say he's a traitor. I think that Alonso is not a saint and he's quick tempered but I remember a lot of great f1 drivers' not smiling to their main competitors, and also Hamilton is not an exception.
By the way, check Bet and Win and you will see who's the best positioned to win the Drivers' Championship.
Bye.
Julio, Barcelona, Spain
please!!!!!!!!! i think that english people it´s so much patriotic. I don´t care if Alonso win the next races or not but everyone know that is the best and also so much correct that the other one...Ham Al Ali Ton????
Rodrigo, Innsbruck, Austria
I vividly remember how outraged Fernando Alonso and indeed the rest of the Formula 1 racing world was when Michael Schumacher, at last year's Monte Carlo GP suddenly "parked" his car at a precarious corner on the course in an attempt to block Alonso from posting a quicker qualifying lap time. Schumacher was not only penalised by the FIA, but was also widely condemned around the world for his unsportsmanly action. So why is it different this time. If Alonso wanted preferential treatment from his team, he should have moved from Renault to Ferrari, not McLaren.
And why should Hamilton have done McLaren and Alonso's bidding by jeopardising his own chances of an optimum starting grid position? Formula 1 we know after all, is populated by egomaniacs and selfish people, which is actually regarded as a strenght in this sport. What Hamilton did was selfish, but Alonso's action was unsportsmanly and not worthy of a champion.
Razaq Anifowoshe, Vienna, Austria
I definitely agree with Dom. Undoubtedly Hamilton is a really good driver for his age, but we mustn't forget that F1 is more than driving: there's a strategy behind every race, and cars are set up in different ways... all Hamilton does is drive, as Alonso is the one who sets up the car, while the team designs an exclusive strategy for Hamilton to wind. No wonder since Alonso stopped running on fridays after Monaco Hamilton hasn't been doing so well in the trainings!!!
Alvaro, Madrid, Spain
If this rumour is truth and Alonso leaves McLaren next year, I'd like to see what does that selfish person which Hamilton is without Alonso's car setups.
I'd like to know what's the vision of Mercedes Benz in all this situation. They should found, as BMW did, their own team. They don't need McLaren at all to win.
Anyway if Alonso leaves McLaren and joins a competitive team we'll have the opportunity to see real F1 duels without team orders interferences. We will see then if Hamilton is as good as the British Yellow Press believes or without Alonso's settings is just one more pilot on the circus.
Pedro, , Zaragoza, Spain
I must confess i don't like alonso at all. He's arrogant and kind of a bad-tempered image that does not meet commercial requirements for images of formula I. But having said that, lewis hamilton is still to show us what he really is. Those of you who say he's showing us what a pilot he is are forgetting the fact that the car that lewis drives has become a winning one just because of alonso's work and know-how. As a matter of fact, race after race, lewis is copying alonso's adjustments. If he is such a pilot, isn't he good enough as to develop his own winning car? And appart of it, why is mclaren keeping up that absurd theory of "hamilton=alonso" that is good for no one and is making that a team with a "british way of doing things" halo falls into a pathetic suburbial battle.
My conclussion: Even tho i hate alonso, i do think hamilton is not mclaren's present nor future (the same way that raikkonnen-massa are not real ferrari drivers).
Thomas Cardinal, London, UK
I say this as a die hard Schumi fan that when the great man "parked" his Ferari to obstruct Alonso's flying pole position clincher everyone derided him as if he were the devil himself. But lo and behold, Alonso deploys similar tactics!!! Every sincere sport fanatic out there will agree that there is always an element of jostling and ruffling within every game and tactics, whether unscrupulous or fair, direct or indirect are always deployed. Footballers getting dodgy freekicks and penalties in their favour, Boxers delivering the dodgy punch here & there etc etc. Hey, let's all stop whining and enjoy the season. I personally thought that with Hakkinen leaving no one would challenge Schumi but Alonso did much to everyone's delight. Again with Schumi leaving no one (including Alonso) expected him to have any opposition but then bingo! Lewis arrives and is changing the norm. It will always happen that champs don't like being challenged but hey, tough luck happens!!!! and Amen to that!!!
Jeddy, Coventry, UK
Georgio, we are talking about orders from the management that are designed to specifically favour one driver's chances over the other, i believe. It's a matter of degree, as many decisions will inherently favour one driver.
FA thinks as double world champion every decision ought to go his way, that's what all his PR bluster is designed to achieve. RD knows that two competing drivers is in Mclaren's interest as long as incidents like last weekend's can be avoided.
Ana, the stewards rejected this explanation, and confusing as it maybe it seems everything RD and Mclaren have said since Sunday has been at odds with the idea of them issuing the kind of order that FA is supposed to have recieved.
But i agree that RDs briefings have only made things more unclear. Maybe thats the idea.
Matt, oxford,
A house divided will fall. You have two cars, two drivers, two pit crews/engineers and one person executing the stratagy. It's like playing chess againts yourself, nobody wins in the end.
Jake, Austin, Texas USA
I agree with Damon Hill that both men need to behave more maturely. Does a team have to break apart because of one incident? For breaking team orders Lewis should be punished. For retaliating-Alonso should be punished as well. I don't quite undestand why FIA said Alonso had been cleared of wrongdoing, yet went on to demote him.
As far as competition let them compete! Sacking either of them is a knee jerk reaction which no boss worth his salt should consider after just one explosive eposode. Where will the excitement come from? This kind of thing should produce some really hot competition on the track and that's what Ron should let the two drivers know that aggresion will ONLY be accepted on the race track and nowhere else. My take?
*Ron should let the lads know he'll take no more nonsense but they should compete
*The world champion should prove he can overcome adversity, esp.( from a rookie)
*The rookie should show respect to his employer, his team mate BUT feel free to compete
Don, Manchester, UK
Alonso, you should stay in McLaren-Mercedes. Teach everyone what is happening on this team. Win the F1 championship...if you can... and then take your own personal decission.
Actually you are NUMBER ONE, act as it means.
Put everyone on its place for the rest of the season, work, work, work, you are Spanish and that's what we allways do.
ALONSOOOOOOO VENGAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Oscar Caravaca, Miami, Miami
ALonso is the best!Hamilton is a naughty child! he has too much to learn! Alonso makes the hard work and Hamilton copy him!
ALonso must go to a team that valore him!
Even Dennis can,t see to his protective!hamilton must go away!
Don,t forget Alonso has won two world,s champions with Shumy at road, so respect him!
ARRIBA ALONSOOOO!VIVA EL NANO
neixha, Cádiz, Spain
Last year Hamilton was in GP2 fighting with pilots like Kovalainen and he did not command then as now in F1. I wonder what would happen if Hamilton ended up in Renault in stead of McLaren, would he be leading the championship?. Alonso got Renault twice to be world champion starting from zero, proving he is able to make a winning car; McLaren was at this time in the dark and now brights. I wonder who is the responsible of the return of McLaren, in my opiion Hamilton is just taking advantage of the job of Alonso, he is a great driver, no question, but without the job of Fernando not only Hamilton but McLaren would be still lost. On top Alonso obeyed the orders and his colleague did not. I don`t understand all this debate, for me Alonso should be respected a bit more.
Fedrnando L., Madrid, Spain
Ecclestone said 1 year ago: "I know the McLaren team, and Alonso WILL NOT be happy there"
Alonso signed like 1st driver and De la Rosa as 2nd driver. Hamilton was the 3rd driver, to learn from Alonso and get use to the F1. However Lewis cried that loud that Ron accepted to take him into the paddock, also it was not acceptable to have to spaniards leading the team.
Lewis is a talent but Alonso is the current double champion and he has not been respected at all by the McLaren team being compared with a rookie.
Lights breaking Alonso's car in Bahrein, continous problems with the tires pressures, gear box breaking, suspension ... too many problems. Alonso sets up his car and is the fastest on Friday, Lewis far away, on Saturday he copies the package and the telemetry. Alonso is not allowed to have his own strategy, Lewis had 6 more last laps than Alonso. Lewis started this war complaining in Monaco causing a FIA investigation.
Has Fernando raised his voice in front of the press?
alec, berlin, germany
guys!!! it is not a revenge!!! what happened in the bit was by DIRECT ORDER from Alonso's Engineer, Ron Dennis has said that himself!!!!!!!
anyway, it would be better for the world champion to leave such a team and keep it to "daddy" and his "adopted son"!
enjoy your team, and see you next year, and we will see what the rookie will do without the world champion "telemetria"
Fadi, Beirut,
Alonso has always been a real professional and honest driver while Hamilton behaves like a spoilt kid who wants to win at all costs. On his first year , Hamilton should have been told what his real place was within the team. All he has to do is read the number on his car.
It is not a question of being Spanish or British in order to go in favour of one or the other, it is rather a question of being objective, something many brits find very hard.
By the way, can anybody tell the Hamilton family to be more discreet? It is rather pathetic to see them all the time . How many of you have seen Alonso's father or wife around?
Thumbs down for FIA it should have stayed out in an internal affair.
Ana GarcÃa, Santa Fe , NM
Very, very good news!!
Fernando is the best driver, and Lewis only win because our car is prepared by Fernando.
In the next year, Fernando again World Champions in other Team!!
Santiago, Zaragoza, Spain
I can't believe it...!!! Many english people just think that Hamilton is better becaouse he's english... Alonso has had a lot of problems in McLaren since the first day. Hamilton´s engineers copies his developments, Alonso has had problems with tires a lot of times... last saturday the team use used tired for Alonso because new one's had problems with pression... and more, and mose, and more.... Someone in McLaren is trying that Alonso doesn't win... but having near his experience and his information.... Must win on the road, not in the office... Too many british in F1... but without a championship, and they want it anymay.... Hammilton said: I have to win, i don't care how... Uffffffff, that's too dangerous...
Jorge Cunillera, Las Palmas, Canary, Spain
Let the fellows race it up.... there is nothing else entairtaining in f1.... this iz a classic rookie v/s the number one driver
mjomane, pretoria,
If I was earning that sort of cash I'd shut up, put up and sit pretty.
Daffyyd, Stafford, Staffordshire
True character is to fight it out? That's exactly what Hamilton did NOT do. He could have handled the dispute internally. At worst, he would have started on P2. If Hamilton had true character, he would have relied on his skill to pass Alonso during the race. Instead, Hamilton had to complain to the FIA. Clearly, Hamilton was not confident on his ability to win with Alonso in front of him. Hamilton's act in complaining to the FIA ensured a victory for Hamilton. But McLaren got no constructor's points in spite of having cars that finished 1st and 4th. If I were Ron Dennis, I would get rid of Hamilton. That will never happen though, b/c Dennis has too much invested on Hamilton. If Alonso does leave, I hope he ends up in Ferrari. I don't think Renault's package will be competitive enough next year to make an Alonso vs. Hamilton battle in 2008 interesting.
Armanius, Houston, Texas, USA
I donâtâ believe this news because McLaren will loose a lot. This news only benefits Hamilton: he has a big problem with his team. Alonso manager have already said in Spanish press that it isnât true. Hamilton has no abilities to set-up and to evolve the car for optimum performances in F1. Heâs a good driver but not an expert one: every GP is copying data from Alonso to improve his results. Everybody Know it, it isn't a secret.
Lewis must be fired: it is the best solution for McLaren team. Whereâs McLaren manager? Whoâs he? Hamiltonâs father perhaps â¦:-D I cannot see Alonso moving to Ferrari, but Iâm afraid is the other solution and I donât like this one. I prefer McLaren with Alonso on top. Do you remember last year ...? Wich do you prefer? What kind of manager McLaren has? The answer very soon ... and I'm almost sure it will be bad ... :-(
JAN , Barcelona, Spain
one can define a team order were one driver passes a benefit to another team driver and in doing so sufering a loss.
last saturday, LH was asked to let FA through because he had much less fuel and therefore a much lighter car. no disadvantage for LH in letting him through...its just he coldnt cos a ferrari would have maybe overtook both of them. fa could of overtaken lh on the track cos of his lighter car but didnt.
i dont think this incident is a team orders problem.
JIM MURPHY, GREAT MALVERN, uk
Lots of people in Spain think Alonso is not humble. But no-one in the World can say he has not come from the bottom to the very top because he is brilliant. Hamilton is good, no/one denes it, but he is playing in insider trading, and that is not fair.
If McLaren want to be fair, in Turkey Alonso and De la Rosa should drive so Alonso can pick up enough points again to be at par with Hamilton. Once done this, he should let them fight their souls out on every remaining race without any single bit of help to Hamilton as hve been till now.
If this is not to happen and I were Alonso, I would offer a bonus to his mechanics if he arrives World Champion for not giving data to Hamilton and for working as mad in order to achieve that.
Diego Garcia de la Pena, London, UK
Not following team orders does not break a single FIA rule. Deliberatly impeading another drivers IS against the rules.
The ONLY thing open to debate is whether Alonso delayed Hamilton ON PURPOSE.
His contradictory answers, refusal to obey two seperate GO signals and his body language afterwards say it all.
I can understand why he did it but that does not mean it was the right thing to do and clearly the stewards thought so as well.
However, as it affected no other team I do I think the penalty given to Maclaren is wholly unjustified.
Lance, Surrey, UK
I just think that McLaren is making a big mistake letting the double world champion go and will, sooner or later, regret it. Even though Hamilton is a great pilot, it's still his first year in Formula One; he hasn't the experience of Alonso and has many to learn from him
Also, who will develop the car after Alonso's departure? Hamilton? Let me remind you that Alonso, as Schumacher, is very good at doing that - tell Renault about it - while Hamilton is not, at least for the moment. That's maybe one of the reasons why MacLaren communicates him Alonso's car settings in every Grand Prix...
Alex, Geneva, Switzerland,
I do not understand British press, what you can read there has nothing to do with reality.
Not only Fernando doesn't speak to Lewis but the hole team.
How did wrong then?
Rainer, Vaduz, Liechtenstein
The last years Mclaren were in news when one car could finish a race. Now, the team is in media everyday, they are the first in team clasification and drivers too. What is the problem for mercedes-Mc?
If alonso leave M-Mc will be god for the people he will go BMW, them three teams could fight for the races. Alonso hamilton and kimi like team leaders in three diferent teams.
Only a question, the cars of mclaren Mercedes team dont broke this year (only once). Why? Is hamilton dad the magical mechanic?
I think hamilton is a great driver and Alonso too, but they will be better when they can clean around them.
Pietr, Asturias, España
English people wants Hamilton to win as spanish people wants Alosno to do it. But, in top of nationalities, the fact is that Hamilton desobey McLarean, and this really break up all the equality McLaren system and philosophy. So I can't consider the Hamilton victory in Budapest as a real one. F1's history don't will remember in the same way this victory that the Alonso's one in Nurburgring... In my own view I've not seen a lot of sportivity in Hamilton, with this desobey, but too with a lot of movements in the races starts and avoiding some overtaking manouvres. Hamilton seems to be ready for to do everything for to win... So I really think that behind his smile and this from his father, there's something dark, very dark
Rafael Lopez, Sevilla, Spain
Alright
Let us have a look at the scenario
A current world champion elects to drive in maclaren alongside a rookie.it would be logical that the rookie would siphone knowledge of the world champion and if he is good take full advantage of the information. I suppose there is no clause whereby there is 1st and 2nd driver in maclaren so it is up to individual skills and luck on the grand prix day.
Is ron denis advantaging the rookie?how could he if the information needed to have a competitive car is with the world champion?
If the rookie disobeyed team orders did this compromise alonso`s drive? Did alonso`s actions compromise the rookie`s drive?
If the rookie is called by the fia should he not describe his side of the story?it is then up to fia to make a final decision irrespective of whether the rookie cries foul play or otherwise.
So all in all this story is being blown out of proportions.
olsen-tomas, rome, italy
Apart from the odd practise spin when he was testing the car to its limits, LH hasn't put a wheel wrong all season. Before the season was half finished nobody who had to put their money where their mouth is would have bet against him being 2007 F1 Champion. Is he better than Alonso? I can hear 99 out of every 100 Spanish F1 fans shouting No!!!!!!!!! But I can hear the 100th, the only one with reasoning ability, saying 'He very easily could be'
The bias towards FA in the Spanish fans is very illogical. If FA isn't good enough, all the ridiculous comments from his fans will evaporate into thin air at the end of the season
My view is that McClaren and Ron Dennis gave FA every help at the start of the season and expected him to go ahead in the championship. As things turned out LH was 12 points ahead of him after 8 races because of his consistency. FA made mistakes LH didn't
If FA is good enough to win 2007 championship time will tell. Claiming he is treated badly by McClaren is rubbish
John Lewis, Godalming, Surrey
First of all thanks for giving me the chance to express my opinion. I think that nobody wants to remember that they both compite for the same team and that they are some internal orders they should obey.
Tell me if I am wrong, but it was Hamilton who should have left Alonso pass to the first position once the Q3 started and he didn't. Alonso didn't use as much fuel as it was tought to do, but anyway it was planned by McLaren that Alonso should have the last lap in order to get the pole.
He went in the pit lane and obviously he waited for the best moment to reincorporate for the last attempt....
Should he have gone rightaway, suffer the traffic and let Hamilton a free way instead? yeaaaah righhhttttt!!!!
C'mon, don't be silly!!!
Luis Garcia, Zarautz/Basque Country,
This is a good article. I would be surprised if there aren't any negotiations going on, even now, between Alonso's agents and Ferrari. The other point is to try to fathom out Mercedes' thinking at the moment. Mercedes has a blue-chip tradition and reputation
to maintain and wouldn't want this pre-determined commercial set-up masquerading as a series of honest races to sully their name.
Marco Borg, London, UK
I think English fans can stand Fernando Alonso leading an English team, even if he has won twice. No one doubts Hamilton is a good driver but he should have been mush more respectful for his team and his mate.
Javier, Santander, Spain
alonso was told to wait. was told to wait on the pit stop.
why cant you alllll see that . no coment on hamilton , noooo coment
David, Valencia, Spain
Dennis sures Alonso just took team´s orders, and the opposite did Hamilton, damaging his to McLaren. Why was Alonso punished? Why was McLaren Punished? And why not Hamilton? Even more, Hamiton was rewarded and get an goodf position to win the championship.
Martin, A Coruña, Spain
The whole affair of Alonso and Hamilton ,and the Ferrari and McLaren dispute is getting boring now and a huge distraction from the great F1 racing. If I was paid £10m a year I would do whatever McLaren wanted ,but we have a cry baby versus a person who has unique talent but is perhaps naively young (not a good combination).
Simon, London, UK
What do you expect? Alonso and Hamilton are both fiercely competitive, no quarter given etc. It just so happens that they are in the same team, which makes it fun to watch from the outside, but a nightmare to manage for McLaren. Good luck to both of them and may the best driver win!
Ian Maude, London, UK
GOOOOOOOOOO ALONSO!
Javi, Rianxo (A Coruña), España
Hamilton... too fast to get first. The forms are also important. You cannot win a championship without team!
I want to see them on the road... we have never had the possibility.
Jose, Tarragona, SPAIN
If Fernando Alonso is the better of the two McLaren drivers then he should have know problem beating his teammate on the track. What Alonso wants is a M. Schumacher deal where team orders (not skill) determines which teammate is allowed to win races. I applaued Mc Larens boss Ron Dennis for sticking by his policy of allowing his drivers to battle it out on the track. Let the best man win. If Alonso is that great, he should have no problem beating his rookie teammate fair and square. I also applaud F1 in penalizing McLaren for Alonsoâs childish behavior. In the end he only hurt himself by allowing the Ferrari drivers to close in on him in the driver standings.
Michele, New York, New York
Hamilton it's nothing without his father,
the FIA and Mr. Dennis.
John W, London, UK
F1 shouldn't be considered a sport. If Alonso or even Hamilton are a good sport men just let them drive a Minardy car for a all weekend. Just try to guess what would happen. F1 is a technological competition period. All of them are so pathetic.
kobyn, Miami, USA
I think McLaren loss more than Fernando if he leaves the team at the end of the season.
After dialogue between Hamilton and Dennis at the final of Q3, hamilton must be fired of McLaren. In my opinion, there are only 2 ways:
1.- Hamilton fired and Pedro de la Rosa as second driver
or
2.- Alonso contracts by another team (BMW will be the better option).
And i only hope if is true that alonso will go out, McLaren will suport fernando until the end of season
Carlos, Barcelona, Spain
its amazing all the spaniards go Alonso! This season he has been at his lowest. He has tried suicidal overtakes on the first corner and lost places in a number of races.
Even before Hungary, alonso was unhappy at being outperformed. Simply that. Alonso's settings or not - Lewis has more points. He is faster than Alonso in a car with the same set up - everyone keeps pointing that out.
Lewis disobeyed the team rules and benefitted without any detriment to Alonso. I think he was right to call the team out if they had it wrong. And it appears he was right in terms of the race. Would they rather a driver did their precise bidding and came in last when they could have changed the plan on the track?
Ron Dennis is losing control at the moment, and thats more worrying for McClaren. I don't envy his man management job from here on in. Aren't the best racing drivers - like a thoroughbred horse - uptight, tetchy and generally unhappy unless they are at the front?
Barry Chapman, bournemouth, dorest
It's increible, Alonso follows all the team instructions and Lewis no. Lewis does what ever he wants and doesn't follow team orders, and at the end Alonso misses 5 positions.
NOthing more to say, Lewis is Over-protected.
David, Pamplona, Spain
i'm Spanish and I like F1 so much and that's why I find these decissions of the FIA extremely unnecessary. What they made this weekend had nothing to be with them but with mclaren. It makes me even think they have some kind of personal problem with Alonso. On Saturday Hamilton caused problems to his own team just to go over his mate, and that's not the way a good pilot should behave.
There is no doubt Hamilton is really good at this, but he has already shown all of us that he is not someone in whom you can trust.
laura, burgos, spain
I think that Hamilton it's a talented driver but I don't like people that use tricks for win... Alonso is more complete driver (he's fast, he's better in the preparation of the car, and off course he is the God driving on rain) jeje in Ferrari Alonso would make great things!!!
Tokami, Spain,
Well, it seems that news doesn't arrive to England: don't you know that Fernando was obeying the team? So, it wasn't his fault and he had to pay it.
And you have to know that Lewis isn't an angel, and that he has still much to demosntrate. Would he could beat M. Schumacher with a Renault? I don't think so...
Nerea M.R., Barcelona, Catalonia
So, if we are talking about equal opportunities for both drivers, and let the best driver win... why has Alonso to share his telemetry and set up with Hamilton? so much for fair fight...
Miguel, Bognor Regis, West Sussex
Hamilton bashers out there, pause a moment and recall that Hamilton was reined in on team orders in Monaco to allow Alonso win...a race he would have won but for the fact.
Robert Kavuma, Kampala, Uganda
The stewards were right to punish Alonso just as they punished Schumi in Monaco a couple of years ago.
Yes Hamilton was also in the wrong but he had the good sense to give himself an advantage that the stewards couldn't take away from him. Alonso as double world champion should have the experience to do that too but instead used an obvious tactic which was a big mistake. It's certainly not his first either - Canada, USA etc so maybe the rookie will win the title after all
Stuart, Streetly, UK
A year ago was Montoya. Alonso was so happy by that time. Who will be the next one. Oh... now it is worse...Hamilton has to agree the next one and the next teammate has to be prepared to polish his shoes.
kobyn, Miami, USA
Alfonso wrote: "Suppose that the same incident happens between Kubica and Heidfeld or Fisichella and Kovalainen...then the international federation would have done nothing!!! And we all know that."
You are right, but for the wrong reason. The eyes of the world (not just Spain and the UK) are on McLaren; therefore, it was necessary that a punishment was made. Had Filipe Massa done it to Raikonnen, you can be sure that Ferrari would have received the same punishment.
Enric - the last English F1 world champion was Damon Hill, previously Nigel Mansell.
Ade, Liverpool, Merseyside
go to renault alonso,,,,good bye mclaren .
alonso 2 champions of wordl
juan carlos, malaga, spain
Hamilton is a good driver, and he has started very well, but...most of drivers start in a small team, Lewis has not. I thing that he has still much to learn, including lose...and win, because he seems not to be conscious that not only wins for his talent, but because his team-matter is sometimes unlucky. And I hope yhat some day, McLaren-Marcedes realize that they have a treasure to take care, and I am not speaking about Lewis Hamilton.
But the question is: will British press be able to accept that Lewis is not an angel? Will you accept some day that Fernando is the only one that has coult beat M. Schumacher in his Ferrari with a Renault?
Nerea M.R., Barcelona, Catalonia
alonso is the best in the mclaren. hamilton is a children and he don´t knows to drive .
davis, London, England
I am Irish living in Madrid, and neutral as far as these nationalistic sentiments go. One thing seems to be ignored with the "my country is better" atitude; Mclaren is a British company; Hamilton is British; there are huge financial interests at stake in having a British champion; in a country of 60 million people, the world´s 4th economy...with Hamilton as champ, Mclaren stands to make millions more through sponsors than with Alonso. Conspiracy? No, just business.
Ciaran, Madrid, Spain
I have no particular emotional investment with either driver, so a few points from a relatively objective point of view,...
Ironic to see Alonso pulling out a 'professional foul' after the venom with which he attacked Schumacher for the same type of 'foul' at Monaco 06.
Sad to see Hamilton can't do something as simple as follow pre agreed team intructions, when faced with pressure of maintaining his advantage.
Worse still, a great team like McLaren, started by a New Zealander, ending up in the mire of apalling damage control, and and seemingly incapable of forming a harmonious team.
Nick, Perth, Australia
Headline cannot be more tendentious. Is not Alonso who has to work with Hamilton, is Hamilton opportunity to learn how to be a team member and, potentially, a world champion. Regarding the insights on the team being fed up of Alonso, just as tendentious as the headline. It's been a long time without a british F1 world champion, so green light to use any mean to get Hamilton on top, legal or illegal, on track or taking advantage of Mr. Ecclestone backstage named FIA and ruled by... yes, british. Let's be clear: for the sake of the business, valuable audience is in the UK; too many years of german supremacy, target is in the US, Hamilton is not white (that helps...), so let's put that Alonso aside. An spanish world champion again?, But do spaniards know how to drive?.
carlos carrion, madrid, spain
Until learning of the full story behind the Hungarian 'uprising' I had thought that the F1 mob had got it right for once. They finally had an english driver who could win without rulesmanship. Remember the shockers Schummi copped when Bernie decided Damon Hill should be World Champion? Unfortunately it isn't so and they are still up to their old tricks. It seems Lewis Hamilton is a true Englishman. Wins by whining to the referee and/.or umpires just as the English do on the rare occasions they win at any other sport.
Phil, Auckland, NZ
To those who believe an employee should be fired for a single instance of misconduct of the types we've seen: I hope you never have employees.
F1 is a team business; the team pay the bills and decide how to operate. Key to that is embracing a combination of talents - more experienced drivers help both rookies and engineers, for instance. McLaren might not be as competitive without Alonson, but he is being paid a huge amount of money to help - much more than Hamilton. It is ludicrous to claim that Alonso is being taken advantage of - it is his job.
Conversely I think it does Hamilton no credit to, as some say, bite the hand that feeds him. He's demonstrated an ability in the lower formulae to win with equal cars, and Alonso must be prepared to race him on equal terms. But he must respect others.
Overall? I believe Ron needs to learn to manage talent, both drivers need to grow up and work together. But the standard of comment here enhances the reputation of neither The Times nor F1
Silas Denyer, London, UK
What are those orders for if the pilot doesnt obey?
whats the meaning of the head-of-the team if his own pilot doesnt obeyed him?
and what's Mclaren fi there's no favoritism,sabotage and illegal spying?
and what's the meaning of victory if no one celebrates it even your own team mates and companions?
and what's the taste of GLORY if you don't deserve it?
Do you know what is like to be a good F1 driver without abilities and proper way of respecting people even your own master?
let this all questions answered by LEWIS HAMILTON,,the next F1 champion/dream on)....but answer it honestly,not just copying answers as the way u do in your races..
and...keep on dreaming to be an F1 champion for many years,coz who knows..no one ,not even one celebrating your winning races!!!!!!!!
jon jon, manila, phillipines
It is obvious that there are team orders: that's the only way to manage a team, issuing orders.
But those orders are supposed not to go against competition, so they should try not to go agains either driver.
If we analyse the supposed arrangement of qualification laps, this arrangment would present a benefit to one pilot each time. Hamilton decided that this time he would take the advantage even as it should go to Alonso.
Alonso declared that in the pit stop "incident" he was just shocked by the tire error, but I think that anyone that saw his grin would seriously doubt that.
Afterwards, the team, Alonso and Hamilton probably lied, as the team declared that the time Alonso took to depart was related to the tires, and Hamilton lied for sure about the qualification lap scheme.
Why?
Hamilton probably lied because his objective is to win the championship before changing team and Alonso and Mclaren had something to lose and nothing to gain in telling the truth.
Aitor, Madrid, Spain
I am also spanish. Nothing happened with the bmw´s drivers os renault ones.
I saw a driver acting against his team mate, and another one acting against his team. No one have the reason to do what they´ve done, but I think alonso has gone too far, saying too much to the press. If he has a problem he has to talk to the team not to the press, specially when the press needs to feed the mass with flematic titles.
Happened in the past, Renault didn´t give him a good car. Last year was Ferrari with their tricks, and schumy of course, and renault with the bad car (jajaja). This year is hamilton and mclaren...
I think is the moment for mclaren to fire alonso, maybe then he learns manners.
I don´t know where is he going next but I expect new fights in his new team if they don´t do what he wants them to do.
What will happen with Hamilton? I don´t know, but I am sure what will happen in the team that gets alonso. Poor of them.
Sorry for my english.
Jess, valencia,
The only one who did something against the rules here was Alonso, no matter how his fans spin it, so the penalty was right (even too lenient, if we think Schumacher was sent to the back of the grid for a similar thing in Monaco 2006). Disobeying team orders is not against the rules, last time I've checked. It may be unethical and stuff but I think great champions with great egos, like Senna, would have done the same in Lewis' place. Actually Senna did a lot of things like this at the expense of Prost....
And the only problem of Alonso and his angry fans is that there is a rookie who proved to be faster than their hero. Alonso is a great driver and him being at McLaren is probably big help to an unexperienced driver like Lewis. But it's ridiculous to claim Alonso made McLaren a great team. How? By the time he first got into the car, the new car was ready, he couldn't have much input in it, so that's just a myth.
Suzanne, Miskolc, Hungary
I donâtâ believe this news because McLaren will loose a lot. This news only benefits Hamilton: he has a big problem with his team. Alonso manager have already said in Spanish press that it isnât true. Hamilton has no abilities to set-up and to evolve the car for optimum performances in F1. Heâs a good driver but not an expert one: every GP is copying data from Alonso to improve his results. Everybody Know it, it isn't a secret.
Lewis must be fired: it is the best solution for McLaren team. Whereâs McLaren manager? Whoâs he? Hamiltonâs father perhaps â¦:-D I cannot see Alonso moving to Ferrari, but Iâm afraid is the other solution and I donât like this one. I prefer McLaren with Alonso on top. Do you remember last year ...? Which do we prefer? What kind of manager McLaren has? The answer very soon ... :-(
Regards
JAN , Barcelona, Spain
Alonso is the best driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go, go, go Alonso!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Xurde, El Espin,
I don't understand the people who say thay Lewis only does so well due to Alonso's set ups. To be frank its logical to assume that as surely Alonso will be better with his own setups than someone merely imitating them, that is unless the other chap (in this case Hamilton) is a better driver who needs like most rookie drivers, information to go into a grande prix that he or she has never driven before. Most rookie drivers recieve this from their more experienced team mates. People from Spain need to stop being so blindly patriotic as i've read from the posts on this board and see that driving an equal car with equal team emphesis and unequal experience Hamilton still is currently leading and that the UK still owns a soverign piece of Spain otherwise known as Gibraltar and always will.
Ciao
Hugo de-Monteagle, Tadworth, United Kingdom
My personal point of view is that the image of one British-German company called Mc Laren Mercedes is being seriously damaged due to the behaviour of one of his employees all around the world. Seriously speaking and apart from nationalities issues, I can't imagine how many days I will be working for one serious and professional multinational company with a behaviour such as LH has shown us in Hungaroring?.
On the other hand, the managment skills of Mr. Dennis are really disappointing. After more than 30 years work experience, it is unbeliable that he allowed that neither FA nor LH met him after the Q3 on Saturday afternoon.
In summary and I am so sorry for PDLR but I would not be very proud of belong to Mc Laren Mercedes Team because the image exported all over the world with their drivers, engineers, assistants and specially the Head of Management is being really patetic and the best decision that FA should be done is to leave the company. Meantime, keep going, Fernando, keep going!
Luis Pérez, Oviedo, Spain
I like very much how the british news hide the information, anybody knows who had to start first the qualifying session ? and anyone knows what did Hamilton really do ?
Panchito, Madrid, Spain
Gustaria to see me Hamilton complete its car, be one that is what does, to cry since mimado makes âyoung nowâ, alonso has gained to be there, to did not give the opportunity him of being a mimado boy, if not who Fernando had itself to win to be champion of the world to pulse.
Tony, La Rioja, Spain
Thank you, Will.
Suso Somozas, Vilalba, Spain
We must remember that F1 is a British show, McLaren is a British team managed by a brit and Hamilton is a British driver. Poor Alonso is just a hurdle for all brits to have a happy ending this year. Ron Dennis is not going to be on Alonso's side and put his own country against himself. In this situation, Alonso's only chance is to keep his mouth shut, drive as fast as he can and wait for 'cocky' Hamilton to be a victim of his own ego.
Francisco , Barcelona, Spain
It's pathetic to see a pilot (re)acting like a child of 12...
And if next season, nobody wanted to have a child in his team...
Jealousy it was, jealousy it will be. Poor Alonsiño ;)
Yves, Brussels, Belgium
I'm a F1 fan some years ago, but, I think is unfair the treatment Alonso is receiving from McLaren, I was a fan of JP Montoya, and I didn't like Alonso very much, but, anyone with "3 fingers of brain" would know that Alonso is much better driver than Lewis, Lewis has that "spark" that does not make sense, GO Fernando!
Maro Moran, Guatemala, Guatemala
When Alonso leave Mclaren, who can make the best car???
Hamilton is a clon of the best drivers. When he don't have a mirror to see himself, he will lost all of his habilities.
James, London, England
Renault was nothing for many years until Alonso was there, something similar is happening with Mclaren, Do you really think that this is pure coincidence ¿? ........
Hamilton probably is one of the best history rookies in F1 championship, but he must respect his team's rules then let see which is the best driver, but for sure he is not the gentelman we all think about a briton ....
lucas, madrid, madrid
The way I see it is Hamilton was under pressure seeing Alonso 2 points behind and on one of his favourite tracks and couldn't bear to lose the lead. So he just cracked and was determined to maintain his 1st place at any cost, no-one seriously believes his "kimi might overtake me " excuse to not hand it to Alonso (who has conceded everytime, but then he is Spanish and is taught differently). So next time you take a swipe at Alonso just remember who yells daddy everytime he cracks and who has created the monaco-gate and Hungary-gate feud.
Mark, Vigo, Spain
I really canât see what their problems are â driving the same spec' car for the same acknowledged impartial team - the result of a seasonâs fair and honest racing will show who the best driver is, or does one of them feel insecure?
Were there ever any results from the inquest into the âfaulty wheel nut gunâ a very strange situation in a F1 team!
Richard, Valencia, Spain
Do English people only support Lewis because he is British?
What a pity!
Sorry for my English.
I love your country.
Javier Tagarro, Madrid, Spain
Lewis is dirty, Fernando is not
Anthony, Avilés, Asturias
Alonso only wants the same treatment that lewis has, just that.
If you don´t understand this.... in McLaren team one more lap is given to each champion, this saturday was alonso´s one; BUT THERE WAS HAMILTON, HE DIDN´T WANT LOSE THE FIRST PLACE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEN WE KNOW ALL THAT HAPPEN
Eduar, Chicago, US
This is how Ron shows his managing skills, he has never been able to deal with two wining drivers and a winnig car together and it has happend already with Senna and Prost. It seems ridiculous to me blame either Hamilton or Alonso. Ron is the only one to blame. Mclaren is not a team since Monaco and Ron is clearly unable to cope with the situation. What do the shareholders have to say? Does Mercedez Bez, with 40% of the equity, let Alonso leave? Will Mclaren be an english team following seasons?
Mercedes has so many things to say and I dont believe they will let Alonso go to its german arch rival BMW very easily.
Dwarf Universe, Dublin, Ireland
Thanks Ron. You WILL regert. You could win all, and you will win nothing. Alonso is the Best at the grid and everybody knows. Alonso has a lot of problems in McLaren, because the spoilt brat Hamilton wants to win doing trickies. Even in this situation alonso is down 7 points to Hamilton, UNBELIEVABLE!!! I have never seen a World Champion overcomes hinders from your own team, and FIA, indeed!!
Tony, Dublin, Ireland
I will take some persuading that this whole affair has not been choreographed by the authorities running Formula One.
For the first time in living memory, they have made Formula One interesting to non petrol-heads, like me.
Vin Adamswood, Grimsby, UK
It would be nice if James ALLAN accepted there are 21 other drivers in the F1 circus instead of presenting the Lewis HAMILTON show. I possibly speak for others when say I don't care what James ALLANS view are!!! Who the hell is he anyway ?
Tony ISTED, Witney, England
To: piernas, valencia, spain
Thankfully old boy, McClaren don't sell Mercedes cars.... They do, however, build racing cars. Why doesn't Alonso try driving one, rather than parking it in the garage for 20 seconds at a time?
Mark, Birmingham, UK
I'm Spanish, If Alonso go out McLaren, they found them. Hamilton is a daceitful and a boy, yes, yes nothing more that a boy. Hamilton doesn't know nothing about F1.
Ron Dennis isn't equal with yours two drivers, for this he has the big problem in your team, he makes a big beast of Hamilton, to give all the boy wanted.
Alonso is the best and all Spain is with he.
Todos con alonso, Toledo, Spain
Well! Mr. Gorman, let´s talk about facts or about thinkings? It´s a fact Hamilton desobeyed his team, it´s a fact Alonso did what his team told. It´s a fact Alonso is 2 times F1 world winner. What´s most important, english passport or being twice world F1 winner? What´s going to do McLaren about Hamilton? I think, Mr. Gorman and english newspapers should learn a little bit more about impartial press.
Jürgen, Frankfurt,
Now we know who Hamilton (son) is, thanks for taking your mask off.
Last Sunday you had the chance to show if you are the best in the track but, what is clear, is that you and your daddy are the best at the offices ;)
Any way, good luck cryingMan, you will need more than the FIA, dad and daddy Rod help for wining this championship.
for sure
m. alvarez, valladolid/spain, spain/valladolid
What is DR MIBarton talking about?!!
We don't need any further confusion over this trying matter.
a dahn, bangor, NI
I cannot believe that all the Spanish F1 fans are so absolutely biased about Fernando Alonso. Yet, they complain that the British F1 fans are biased towards Lewis Hamilton. I'm a South African F1 fan and let me tell you that Lewis Hamilton may be raw, but the fact is that he is in his first year in Formula 1 and has not let himself been rattled by the double world champion. The only way Alonso would be happy right now is if he had a team-mate of the calibre of Giancarlo Fisichella or Eddie Irvine who would make him look good. Anyways, he is the most marketable asset F1 has had in a long time and Alonso is pissed that superstardom beckons for the young Brit who has not YET won a world championship.
Lawrence, Cape Town, South Africa
Not too sure that i would accept one of my employees swearing at me after investing so much time and money into his career - if i were Ron Dennis i would think of a suspension for Hamilton before he looses all respect.
Gary, leigh on sea, UK
i am from spain but i don´t understand why all the spaniard don´t have fair play ,alonso just want to be number one but in mclaren something like doesn´t exist ,he may go in ferrari or back to renault where he was havin a faster car than his teamate fisichela.in mclaren he must fight and show people that is faster.one problem again is why ron dennis can ask hamilton to let alonso pass?why?both driver want to win .i think hamilton did the good thing to don´t let alonso pass.
if he want to leave make him go to ferrari ,and i think that kimi raikonnen isn´t going to let him to be number 1.
hamilton was always faster in Q1 and Q2.
rocco, madrid, spain
Please God, let Alonso move to BMW-Sauber. I'm dying to see McLaren back where they belong... 8th and 9th places on the grid...
Alfredo Nieto, Madrid, Spain
Ana - unfortunately, you're misinformed. Alonso stayed put for the 20 seconds he was instructed to by his pit crew. However, when given the signal to go, he then decided to argue a point about his tyres which delayed his actual departure by a further 10 seconds. This additional delay is what is causing the controversy.
I'm all in favour of McLaren's long-running policy of allowing their drivers to prove their worth on the track. It makes for more entertaining viewing than we have in the Schumacher era!
redheadmavis, Cheltenham, UK
I'm Spanish and I know you, britain press doesn´t tell the truth about Lewis,I think you need a new formula hero,it doesn´t matter if Lewis lies in Monaco,it doesn´t matter if Lewis is over the team,it doesn´t matter if Lewis is over poor Dennis,but the truth is the car is based on Knowledge of Fernando,Fernando is the really start , In britain you don´t tell the truth why is not mentioned that Hamilton didn't respect the team's orders and played foul on Saturday, have you mentioned this? why don´t you play fair ? When Alonso go out from Mcclaren you missed him, FIA+Hamilton´s father+Dennis instructions=are patetic
jesus, mostoles,
Very good Alvaro ... is as simple as that!
Muy bien Alvaro!!!!!
Begonia, London,
I think it´s a pitty that the races are won in the offices instead of the circuits, which are the correct places to do that.
I think that this big problem came because Hamilton didn´t accept his team´s orders, and after that he reported his team mate and his own team. This behaviour is awful. How are they going to win and be competitive, if they don´t believe that they are a team??? I hope Alonso win this Championship , and after that he goes to another team, with good mates. Good luck Alonso, and don´t change.If you have to fight alone , do it!!! we will suport you!
Mery, Navarra, Spain
where was mclaren the last year?
where was renault the last two years?
who was the last champion?
the answer are the solution for mclaren...and not a child and unprofesional pilot...
juanky, malaga, spain
If Alonso is still as good as he's proven himself to be previously, then there should be no need for him to try and manipulate his team by throwing his toys out of his pram. He needs to get out on the track, defend his title properly and beat Hamilton. If he can't do that - well he'll have to be a big boy and admit that he can't be the World Champion forever.
The best racing drivers are only the best when they can tune out all other distractions - something both Schumacher and the late Ayrton Senna excelled at. Whoever can best manage that within the McLaren team this year is going to come away with the title.
AnnieG, Cheltenham, UK
As far as I'm concerned, whether Alonso deliberately held up Hamilton in the pits or not, it was an internal McLaren matter and the stewards had no reason whatsoever to get involved. As for not allowing them to score points or to receive their constructors trophy, well that is just downright childish and pathetic. Maybe of course with McLaren seemingly in command of both championships, measures were just being taken to reign them in and hand an advantage to another team. Whenever there's controversy in F1 it always seems to be to the advantage of Ferrari.
Brian Bonner, Godalming, England / Surrey
I don't believe McLaren is treating Hamilton better than Alonso, they treat them equal.
Hamilton is just very fast, he made no mistakes so far (Alonso had several). If Hamilton can win 3 or 4 out of the last races, he just diserved the title.
And poor Alonso would have lost against his first strong teammate.
By the way, please check your "Drivers championship table". Rosberg is a German national!
Regards from a German in Taipei
Thomas, Taipei, Taiwan
OK, let's face it, a briton leader driving in a british team playing in a championship owned by a briton, plenty of british sponsors. There's not much more to understand in this unbelievable story.
After all, i bet for Alonso at the end of the champ. His victory would be funny.
Victor, San Fernando, Spain
Who pays for their salaries? McLaren
Whose instructions should they follow? McLaren's
Is any of them not following instructions?
I think LH got nervous once he saw that FA was just 2 points below, and that FA got the pole.
My set of questions Nr1 , Was LH's Daddy complaining in front of the FIA? If yes, Is it normal that FIA listens to an enraged Daddy? Is it normal that LH stabs his own team in the back and gets away with it?
My 2nd question: If FA followed team instructions, Is it normal that he is punished at all?
LH has everything the media need. Please think of it.
Luis, Santander, Spain
That is not Spain, not at all, I reckon you should come by and check. Even if Alonso is a bit bad-tempered, he doesn´t cheat and definitely he´s not going to quit. If Hamilton stops his dirty game we´ll see who the winner is !
Julius, Toledo, Spain
It was monkeys⦠of the F1 and Gibraltarâ¦.!
Ardi, Cádiz, Spain
The only way to stop Fernando is doing tricks. And you have many tradition on that.... We hope Fernando will take revenge to all English dogs in Ferrari... See you soon.
David, Barcelona, Spain
After seing the british "fair-play" against a Spaniard who was suposed to save the team: FORZA FERRARI!!!
Luis, Brussels, Belgium
Enjoy this glorious victory and don´t you forget to be thankful to FIA. ;)
Berger, Milan, Italia
Hamilton is only a great driver.....only. Mclaren has the last year a car of second file, like Renault. Alonso is a great driver like Hamilton but the diference is how prepare the car. Hamilton without the numbers and the preparation of the car of Alonso would be a secundary driver this year in F1. The ma- FIA do the rest the other day, there are not laws that found the decision of HUngary, it is a "circus" that want a new champion, perhaps a pay toFerrari.
It is better for Alonso to leave Mclaren, Hamilton disobeyed Ron, and nothing happens, he will be a cancer for Ron. Alonso is the Champion and the second driver. BMW and Ferrari are waiting him. Perhaps this is the last year for Tod and Massa in FErrari.
Julio, Sevilla, Spain
hamilton should go to Ferrari!!!, we need a championship in the team, kimi and massa out!!! i hope Schumi returns!
dani, madrid, spain
OK for all; but don´t forget this:
the number 1 is on Fernando Alonso's car
Pau, Pucela, Spain
Hello AntonLyn. Is possible that Alonso was a woman, but is more man than you, because the men speak to the face, they do not hide in Internet forums.
Best Regards.
Tinorg, Rome,
i daily read spanish and english newspapers...its so annoying to always hear those hyper-patriotic comments from spanish papers and spanish people. it was the same with the new winner of the tour the france. everywhere you could read about him being the best and simply a hero in spanish papers. nobody mentioned that there still is a big, big questionmark behind his victories. and now the same with alonso: of course it was not ok what he did in the in hungary. accept this and dont always blame hamilton for everything. try to be more objective and do accept that your heros in sports also make mistakes, my dear patriots.
manuel konstantin, Vienna, Austria
The only form that hamilton has of winning Alonso is doing traps, since he is doing it till now, with the assent of Dennis and the FIA
Hector, Segovia,
Alonso has been the champion twice, how many times has been Hamilton?
McLaren has money for this season thanks to Alonso providers (Banco Santander, Vodafone, ...) and Mercedes which achieved Alonso for McLaren's team. What kind of car should be Hamilton driving if not?
He had to start his career at Minardi like Alonso, let's see then what really kind of pilot is.
How many gp's has Hamilton won starting in the grid out of pole position? ZERO. Look who is the good driver, look at Nurbunring, pathetic Hamilton with the crank, how many privileges has this poor "mimado". Caramba!
Isaac, Madrid, Spain
Wondering if insulting your boss in front of millions of people is good for the sport? Are the marshalls going to see into this, or is just an "internal problem". What about punching and grabbing your drivers from the neck? Any problema about that?
Paul, Hamilton, Ontario
Let's see what happen with Hamilton and MCLAREN when Alonso is out of the team.!!
Will Hamilton be so brave then!
Have to say that I miss Schumi, and I do guest that Alonso too,
Common Alonso, put Hamilton in his place and win this championship-
Dolors , Martorell, Catalunya
Poor old Alonso is getting shown up by his team mate (sic) who is faster and better with equal equipment and he doesn't like it.. Drivers come and go- its a short life span and history has shown that the best are all hard headed individuals who only want to win and at any cost...its not really sport as there is very little competition..as soon as any turns up you get petulance..
Martin, Rockville, MD, USA
Put yourself in Alonso's shoes - he just wins two world championships on the trot effectively ending the career of one of the top F1 drivers of all time. He jumps ship from Renault to McLaren just as McLaren get the best driving package again and is given a F1 rookie as his team-mate. He must have been thinking that all he needed to do this season was to turn up, drive a car for 90 minutes every fortnight and he would be handed a third world championship, lots of praise, bags more of money, adoring women, etc, etc.
Having said all that the reality is that we expect more backbone from a two time world championship winner and, instead of whinging and stupid stunts such as holding up Hamiliton in qualifying, he should have the right stuff in him to rise to the occasion, drive faster and better and beat everyone else on the track.
Hamilton is a superb young driver, seems a really decent guy from a decent family and for all sorts of reasons I hope he wins the championsip this year.
JC, London, UK
wow, i need to start seeking for a position in UK, where you can openly share your "opinion" about your boss with him and he's happy with it. You know, in Spain we are not allowed to use such these words. In fact, we are probably more than fired if so. Strange people we are.
David, Barcelona,
we must no forget why this inside mclaren team's row began in hungoring, the spoil hamilton betrayed team refusing incoming pit stop orders, switching off the radio and come inside behind alonso's turn, even more it was 'daddy' who reported to commissioner; at the end alonso has to 'row' against teammate, team(Ron lost the control) and FIA (inventing new rules). By the way I will enjoing myself watching alonso racing with a setting up car in BMW or Ferrari and hamilton trying to drive a snake thinking why the car doesn't go smoothly next year, it will so funny
ANTONIO, EL PUERTO DE SANTA MARIA, SPAIN
Please read the opinion of the GREAT NIGEL MANSELL. in BBC Sport.....chapeau; o tempora o mores
rechi, jerez,
ALONSO=FERRARI
MAcLAREN=GP2
DENNIS=??????????
HAMILTON = FAKE ,
JHON, VALDEPEÃAS, ESPAÃA
Mc Claren and Hamilton...........ja ja ja.
Say good bye to Alonso......perfect for him.
Ciao!!!!
Can you remember the last year? I think NO
But you ,ll remember the next!!!!
paco polo, mallorca, spain
It does not bite the hand that gives you the meal !!! Hamilton and his family has demonstrated that he has no champion's skill and team sense...
March Springfield, Cheadler, UK
i am from spain , and i think this situation is unfair. IF the english people want HAMILTON , you have a treacherous babe
pit, valencia, valencia
alonso is behaving like a spoiled kid in a candy shop,just too like him, but he is whining about everything.he just does not like the competition.
terje halle, skatval, norway
I think they should solve their disputes in a boxing ring. Then we will see who leads the team. By the way, lets put Ron on the ring too so we can also see how he favors most.
Chema, Santander, Spain
Well, looks like both pilots played dirty tricks. Lewis didn't listen 6 team orders, insulted his boss, and then cried and say "sorry" and all was ok. Alonso staying more time in boxed that required like a revenge for his team mate actions, and then talked to the media again and again that he is not treated as the king that he is.
Ok, one thing is true. He is the actual and 2 times the world champion on F1 when Schummi still ran for Ferrari. Enyone have doubts about Schummi records?
On the other hand Lewis looks like a bulk diamond, his 1st season on F1 was incredible amazing, but personally I think that he cannot cope with the fame.
I really want to see a real battle on the tracks. Lewis only suffered a little of pression by Kimi in this last grand prix. in the closest stage at 0.795 sec that means almost 200mts of distance. You can pass another car that is 200 mts far from you?
I really want to see battles like was done by Ayrton, Nigel Mansell, Schumi, Prost, and Alonso-Massa.
Mick, Melbourne, Australia
Blah, blah, blah - 'But senor, Hamilton's a cheat', yadda, yadda, yadda.
Just face the facts: there's a new kid on the block, breaking records left, right and centre, and Alonso can either take it like a man and race, or run away like a petulant child.
It makes me laugh that a lot of people on this forum seem to see a conspiracy in everything that has happened this season. I suppose someone else has been out there racing the car when Hamilton has wiped the floor with Alonso this season?
Sean, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Next year seems to be quite interesting for F1. If this rumour is truth, it will be nice to see a real duel between these guys. I have real doubts about the performance of Hamilton without Alonso's setups. Anyway the answer will be given by the time. I think Hamilton isn't as good as the British yelllow press (not this media) wants.
Anyway I can't understand Mclaren, there's a pilot that acts against the team's interests and the door is opened for the one that followed team instructions.
What is the MB point of view?, do they agree with all the support that Mclaren gives to the guy who make them loose 14 points of the constructor's championship? I think they should organize their own team, they have enough background for it.
Finally I apologize for being Spanish, some readers seem to be angry with our presence here.
Pedro, Zaragoza, Spain
I think Alonso basically did what he did at the pits because Hamilton disregarded team orders to let him through during qualifying. If Hamilton only followed team orders, it wil be 2 Mclarens at the front and probably a 1st and 2nd place win for the team. I do think that Alonso feels threatened by his new rookie team mate, but somehow I also think that Alonso is not treated fairly at Mclaren. Ron needs to appreciate that Alonso the twice world champion is driving for his team and Mclaren is getting alot of press and not to mention technical advantages. Hamilton just needs to learn to work as a team and not just think that the world championship is his to grab.
Alan, London, London
Well, I guess McLaren knows what they are doing, they don't have much memory though: Where they were last seasons and where they are now.
More and more I think Alonso is a brave and a great pilot, after what his own teammate did to him, he started in the 6th position and ended in the 4th.
Neil, Toronto,
If I were Fernando Alonso I would concentrate in winning races instead of trying to receive special treatment from McLaren and going around complaining and crying on every corner. That is not a Champion's kind of attitude. If I had a â¬25m a year contract, you can be sure that I wouldnt mind if my team mate receives same treatment. It is a shame if because of this he ends up racing for Toyota.... It is difficult to imagine Juan Manuel Fangio doing this kind of things. Those were the good old days of F1.
Perro Viejo, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Fernando will stay this season and i´m sure he will get his third championship, even fighting with his own team. If he was able to win Michael....
I will be pleasure to see McLaren's car the next season and Hamilton trying to evolve it.
Magic you are able to squash "hamilton dirty boy". Vamos!!!
Luis, Cadiz, Spain
Reading the different comments here, it is a relief to see that there are people in England who see what is actually happening inside of McLaren and F1 in general.
If one follows only the British press, which I have found uncharacteristically biased in this matter, you get the impression that Alonso is an untalanted ogre schemeing to eliminate the young vergin Hamilton any way that he can.
Lewis is good but he should show it on the track where there are no crown princes, just competetive race car drivers. His antics of last weekend show him for what he is: a spoilt child.
And it was Ron Dennis who spoild him...
Fritz Prugger, Saskatoon, Canada
I know it must be a tough task for all britons to look for any possible reason to justify LH. I am spanish and I can realize how stupid Alonso can be but a worse thing is swallowing an egoist as Hamilton and all his crew (father included).
Andres Itoz, Bilbao, Spain
Alonso is not interested in anything but winning his third world championship. Hamilton is even better than we all supected at the beginning of the season. So alonso is only trying to put all those tons of pressure over the young man. And finally, Lewis Hamilton will fall under all this tremendous pressure, and driving mistakes will arrive in the last 2-3 races of the championship. There is not hate nor misunderstanding in Alonso; he is only doing what he needs to do to win this champioship. You will see.
Antonio, Murcia, Spain
alonso is the best, who's Hamilton?
Go out Fernando.
jamfri, barcelona, catalunya
Lewis Hamilton is a posh driver and he recives a special tractament from his team. McLaren doesn't respect to Alonso, that i want remember, is the actual champion (twice). In Spain, people doesn't want to buy Mercedes cars. Take care Dennis!
piernas, valencia, spain
What`s all this about Alonso not liking a fair and square fight. Alonso had a very rough way up the ladder. He started with Minardi and went on to buid a winning team at Renault at a fraction of the budgets of Mc Laren or Ferrari. He had to battle it out with Michael Schumacher.A learning process wich can hardly be consider a pleasure cruise. And all that coming from a country with NO F1 tradition. So Alonso´s non competitive nature theory goes out the window. Alonso didn´t anticipate what was going to be like to be in a british tem, with a british team mate(black and good looking alas).Didn´t anticipate the corrosive nature of british media and their amazing capacity to build and demolish (where`s Jenson Button now). He´ll do well to leave. As for Hamilton, hope he keeps winning or the hyenas of british journalism will not even wait for him to die before he gets eaten alive.
Javier, Pamplona, Spain
We are beginning to see the real Lewis Hamilton now: a spoiled brat.
He owes everything to Mclaren and what does he do to repay them?
1/ Refuses to obey team orders.
2/ Swears directly at his boss/mentor.
But for Mclaren where would he be now?
Sorry Lewis but you have hit rock bottom in my estimation.
As for the stewards ruling? I did not even bother to watch the race!
Malcolm Rose, London, England
From my point of view, the only mistake Alonso made was to avoid Lewis accessing his settings, radio data, telemetrics, etc ... If McLaren wants both pilots fighting in the race, that fight must be fair, so each one must make his own decisions. If one has the information of the other (and keep in mind, this is the information of a world champion) this is not fair.
He, in his first year at the F1, is able to refuse the team orders. I can not remember such a situation. Even Schumi or Alonso didn't do that when they were beginers.
And of course there are team orders ! What doesn't make sense is Ron saying that they want their drivers fighting, and in the order hand giving orders of who can do an extra lap during qualification.
Now he (Hamilton) is against his own team, only because he is hungry of victory. And that will make him fall from the team.He will make it again.
And finally, the FIA making such a mistake. As Mansell said, is up to them (to McLaren).
Gustavo, Barcelona,
All britons are thinking that both drivers are in equal conditions by the team. But, when Alonso takes the extra lap option in Q3, why the team did put used tyres in Alonso's car?
This is the equality by Ron Dennis, or simply was to put on dificult the lap and mantain the Lewis's pole?
I respect so much to RD and McLaren team but how much money had spent this weekend with 0 points for them?
If they won't sanction to LH maybe will be the final era of RD, because they did the most ridiculous affair of the modern history of F1.
Jose Luis, Ceuta, Spain,
Hamilton didn't affect the outcome of qualifying by disobeying team orders, whereas Alonso did (by putting in a fastest lap and preventing Lewis from having the chance to beat it). The FIA want to see a fair fight, free of team meddling, in qualifying and racing - and so does the public. Well, except perhaps, bitter Alonso fans?
Warren C, London, UK
G. Britain has a long tradition of sportsmen. Hamilton is not one of them. He is talented but he is running with the world champion and with a car developed by Alonso that last year could not win a race!
Lewis should have been modest, learnt a lot from the man who defeated Michael Schumacher and soon be a great champion. Instead of that, he reacts as an impulsive child.
If the first had happened he would have had a lot of fans in Spain too. Unfortunately now, most of spaniards do not want to hear anything about Hamilton or McLaren.
Carlos, Madrid, Spain
Hamilton and his family pack, only appear to be a child running behind his teacher when don´t get results he wants.Monaco, brakdown van, last weekend...Sad day for F1.ENGLISH SHAME
Dan , Madrid, Spain
McLaren should fire Hamilton. He was very rude and disrespectful with Dennis and with the hole team. McLaren should fire Hamilton and keep Alonso because he's the best F1 driver right now...
Daniel, Paris, France
Why UK media is not giving ALL the information related with this scandal?
1) Hamilton didnt allow Alonso to overtake him in the last clasification lap when the team order was to do so (the team order is that each pilot has this extra lap every 2 races). He decided to dont follow instructions from the team.
2) Alonso was punished... but the F1 law doesnt say anything related with pit lane. It was an internal issue, a never saw decision.
Obviously, the FIA wants a UK pilot to win the championship in order to increase economical benefits, is not very profitable that a spaniard wins 3 times the championship. That´s all!
Now you have to look for an english Tennis player (what happen with wimbledon?), a cyclist (you know Tour de France?) and a basket player (you know NBA?).
cara clarke, madrid,
Both drivers are to blame for what happened in Hungary this weekend. Lewis should have listened to the teamorders in the first place but Alonso made everthing even worse 'cause he blocked Lewis in the pits. (If he hadn't done that, he would have still got the pole and it would still be an intern problem).The were both very angry and it's a shame that Lewis said those things to Ron. Both these riders are just very competitive in everything that they do and they are fighting for the title so they just go for it, not thinking about the consequences. This accident was just too much for Alonso. He never liked the fact that he wasn't the first driver in the team. And he wil probably hate that a rookie can become champion in his first season. Renault is just a better team for him. And I really don't think that Alonso will ever drive in a Ferrari. Jean Todt will never ask him as long as he is in charge. The dislike will be on both sides....
Rachel Bosmans, Bree, Belgium
Well, the Championship is long. We will see if Hamilton keeps not listening to the team orders, and if doing that he is going to be able to take it. Alonso has shown already to everybody that he is a champion and knows perfectly how to make a car to perform much better. Hamilton has just done a good start of the season using all the evolutions that Pedro and Alonso have helped to develop. That is all. Without Alonso this year McLaren would be second by far in the Constructors' Championship.
Pablo Vega, Madrid, Spain
Hamilton started partying and must have had expensive wine.
There is a delayed reaction of about a week with anti-enhancement spike.
The effect of drunk driving is cleared but at competitive level reduced ability.
The delay effect makes recognition difficult and seems a 1st pressing cork.
DR MIBarton MA.MBA.PhD., Oxon., UK
I think that the whole situation is deplorable, both for McLaren and Alonso. I personally find McLaren to be at fault here on all counts. They should have told Alonso they have big plans for Hamilton - I'm sure he wouldn't have signed up with them anymore. Talking about equal treatment, they should have stopped Hamilton from having the last qualifying lap, considering he disobeyed orders - so that Alonso could continue with his qualifying plans unaffected. Alonso is a great driver, a very strong character and he won two championships on total merit. I'm not saying that, just because of his past, he deserves special treatment. What I'd like to see is that McLaren not only talk about equality, but they demonstrate it through facts in a consistent manner. Otherwise they may be known as career destroyers, with Alonso following Montoya - but in his case it would be a real pity.
Ion Gordun, Toronto,
First of all, I'm spanish and Alonso fan. I do not know who will loose more if Alonso leaves McClaren. Only time will tell. But Hamilton is being able to be where he is thanks to having one of the two top cars and the data he gets from Alonso. He is still quick, but if he had started like nearly other driver in a medium or low team, he will not be where he is now. One thing about the speed of Hamilton is that he is reckless. Once he has his first serious accident on track he will step down a little. Of course, he will have more experience, so probably it will not matter. I expect him to be a the top 5 for the next years. I though when Alonso announced his move to McClaren that he was mistaken. He wants to be the clear leader of the team. Ferrari is probably the best team for that. Last thing. One good year does not make a great driver (Kenny Roberts Jr., Nicky Hayden, Jacques Villenueve). After two or three years at the top then we can talk about great drivers.
Jorge, London,
next we are going to have a raft of spaniards moaning and complaining...Just accept the facts Hamilton is unsettling Alonso who has been top dog and is upset that is coming to an end.
Maximillian, Brighton,
As far as I can see, this is a sport coming from England, as football used to be. Unfortunately for UK, it's been a long time since the last British (who was the last English) to win the World Championship showed up. Now there's a chance to be World Champions again with the little boy Lewis, and I understand almost everyone in UK is excited about the idea. The guy is really good, but I would like to see him in a Mclaren team without Alonso or De la Rosa. I'm sure the results wouldn't be these.
I considered that -unlike football- motorracing sports were a refugee for gentlemen. Now I doubt about it.
I am totally for equality of conditions for both pilots and see who is really the best -for the best of the sport. Unfortunately, this is not happening at Mclaren.
Let's see what all will end up in, but I see not only Alonso, but Pedro and even Mercedes out of Mclaren.
I think it's to worth just for the pleasure of having a British as World Champion.
Kind regards from Barcelona.
Enric Rivero-Armengol, Barcelona, Spain
HAMILTON - You must learn something...
ALONSO - Leave this team and find a fair one to make it grow.
John F. Dorda, Sydney, Australia
historically the English pirates have robbed the Spaniards and this follows is a shame.
Grouch0, Madrid, Spain
Alonso showed to the whole world that he will not play fair. Good riddance.
C. Oach, Athens, Greece
This is not fair, Im spanish and i like hamilton, but this is no the way to win a driver with 2 championships. If hamilton is best I want to see the battle in the race not because of the special decisions of the Fia. Fernando will eat little hamilton.
I want to see fernado racing for ferrari and breaking in pieces all maclaren and the Uncle Ron and hamilton family cryng all together.
Manolo, Palma de Mallorca, Spain
Suppose that the same incident happens between Kubica and Heidfeld or Fisichella and Kovalainen...then the international federation would have done nothing!!! And we all know that.
But, ohh, sorry!!! there was a problem with Hamilton, a British driver, in a British team, with a British boss, with the Britih lobby (the media) putting pressure to the owners of the circus...ohh what a coincidence? Max Moxley (president of FIA) and Bernie Ecclestone (owner of Formula 1) are also British!!!
By the way, no one talked about the fact that Alonso had used ttyres during the last lap of Q3, and Hamilton brand new ones (official explanation: there was a problem with the pressure of tthe tyres prepared for Alonso...happened several times during the season)...and no one explain why Hamilton always have an extra lap during the classification (he can drive with less weight and fight for the pole)...and then, the hypocrites say that tthey both have the same treatment!! JAJAJA!!!!
Alfonso, Spain,
It´s the best for Alonso. There does not deserve a pilot of Alonso's quality. The best thing is that Alonso goes away and Mc laren turned to the mediocrity to which they were accustomed during the last years. With regard to Hamilton he dont has level neither as pilot nor as person... Garbage!!! TM.
Tomás, MADRID, ESPAÃA
Where was McLaren 1 year ago? Why Hamilton is copying Alonso´s settings continously? Why McLaren talks about competitiveness between its pilots and don´t let Hamilton take it´s own decissions, just he repeats Alonso´s thoughts? Men, we are talking about a baby copying everything and getting a clear better treatment or a double world champion. Do you really believe Hamilton is a better driver than Schumacher? Forget about it. Hamilton is making it well because developments of the McLaren´s cars thanks to Alonso experience.... Do you know who is the 2nd McLaren driver? De la Rosa, another spanish that has pointed in all races he has ran. Hamilton is not a good pilot but neither experienced nor enough brave to represen english interests around the world, every race he looks like a clown in a circus...
ed smith, manchester,
Why has Hamilton not been punished by his own team for disobeying SIX TIMES his boss's orders?
Alfonso, Vigo, Spain
What a shame... A two times world champion being treated in this way.
Hamilton must be sanctioned by McLaren, he was the one who didn't obey team instructions.
Something is wrong with you when your team don´t celebrate with you your victory. He had to do it in the podium with the BMW team.
Hamilton has a lot of things to learn. Don´t you think??
Miguel , Madrid, Spain
As a new fan of formula one this season, with the reason being the performances of Lewis Hamilton, i can only say that Alonso seems to be behaving like a spolit child. I watched F1 occasionally in the past and am aware of how good a driver Alonso is, but he has been surprised by Hamilton and cannot cope, he wanted to be the main man but is certainly not acting like it! or driving like it for that matter! He sabotaged Hamiltons qualifying, probably knowing that Hamilton would take pole.....Yes im biased as im English but we should support him as its very rare an Englishman is this good in his field..Lewis for the title!
D Carter, Oxford,
Hamilton is a dirty rat. Alonso stop because he was told so by the team (Ron Denis?). Ron Denis told so in the press conference. Furthermore, Hamilton disobeyed team orders, Alonso Not. Then Hamilton Complained, cry and cry and uncle Berny Ecclestone (also british, as MClaren and Ron Denis) allowed him to win. F1 is not a fair sport. It is not fair and it is not a sport. What happened has nothing to do with competition.
JohnW, NY, US
Alonso is the best driver in Formula 1. He was penalised following team's orders. If I would be Alonso I would be really upset with the team and of course Hamilton who is not a team player. If I would be Ron Dennis I will send Hamilton to Prodrive next year. I hope alonso stays in Mclaren and let him work without interferences from FIA, British Media and his own team.
Dom, Brighton, UK
Alonso don´t want a special treatment, he only wants the same treatment than Lewis. Alonso is a strange in McLaren. This is the reason. The team is not happy when Alonso wins(or makes the pole) because it means that Lewis doesn´t win(or doesn´t make pole). Dennis says one thing, but makes another one. Bye
Cyril, Hendaye,
Victory without honour, misery without scruples.
A way of winning of course, but not a way of living. Is that the British Ace you wanna have to show your kids how to do ?
Rafa V, Valencia, Spain
Anyway, later or sooner Fernando Alonso will finish driving for the Ferrari's "cavallino rampante". New days of glory and victories are waiting to Ferrari and our young spanish champion. Fernando, Ferrari is waiting to you, folk.
Antonio, Granada, Spain
mclaren will lose alonso at the end of this season, no doubt. and, no doubt, next year will cry like a baby. that's it. english are like 'wow dude, this kid is english, no spanish tricky man can beat this dude, because he's english, and thats all we need to know'. but actually, don't you read? don't see what really happens? oh, for sure you see whats happening, but you know dude.. is english..
john, london,
I'm Spanish and don't know much about this, I don't like Alonso much but for what I've heard Hamilton didn't respect the team's orders and played foul on Saturday, have you mentioned this? If we want to be fair we should not be biased and I'm afraid Hamilton acted outrageously on Saturday, maybe alonso too, I don't know, but pleae, be fair I have always respected English for their fair play, if Alonso is to be criticised do it, but if Hamilton behaved horribly you must also acknowledge it and it seems he did, if not why was Ron Dennis so angry'
Alvaro, Madrid, Spain
Dear ED,
Today's title is amazing. Imagine that at your work someone is copying your article every day and publishing it before you, he or she is not respecting the rules (being yourself damaged) but nothing happens, your mates at work are making some sabotages to you to make your life a little bit more difficult, and finally, he or she is seen at work as the good boy. Would you agree with a title saying that you want to leave because you cannot work with him o her?. Honestly, I don't think so.
I'm happy to know that Alonso is free to leave. Last year, Renault team said that it wasn't any problem Fernando Alonso leaving the team, because they had another pilot similar or better. You can see where they are this season. Also you can see where McLaren was last season and where they are now. I bet where they will be next season without Alonso: again back where they were because Hamilton has already showed no abilities to set up properly the car.
Jose-Luis Prieto, Dundee,
Hamilton = spoilt by Ron Dennis
Alex , London, UK
Most people do not seem to listen. Ron Dennis declared that Alonso waited in the pit because he was told so, not for any other reason. The only person who disobeyed team orders was Hamilton. I believe both drivers are very talented, but they must realise that they are a team whether they like it or not. Ron Dennis has to control them otherwise things will start to fall apart and they will all lose out including McLaren.
Ana, Santiago, Spain
Bernie E. is loving this dust-up. Interest in the Hamilton/Alonso spat only breeds more interest in the ssport which is $$$ in Bernie's pocket. An English speaking World Champion ... and one with other than a "whiter shade of pale" ... would globalize F1 further. If Alonso doesn't like the game he should get out of the sandbox.
GB van voorhis, Denali Park, Alaska
It is a difficult decision for Ron, on the one hand Lewis is the one that should be fired as he has shown his willingness to back stab the team. On the other hand, it is Alonso that is threatening to leave and McLaren could potentially end up without a single top driver.
Personally, I would fire Lewis. But it isn't that easy.
Will, London, UK
everyone begged for competition in the schumi years and now we have some, let them race let them argue and let them do their talking on the tarmac, albeit within a gentlemans behaviour, so as not to throw the sport into dissarray!!!!!
i'm all for hamilton doing his thing and beating alonso! lets not not be overtly critical of potentially the greatest debut season
in f1 history and just enjoy it for what it is!!!!!
the young gun taking on the establihment!!!!!!!
i for one welcome this emergence, even more so the competition!!!!!!! ENJOY!!!!!!!!
jizzie, london/bucharest, england/romania
This incident reflects the reality within McLaren: that they also impose team orders. Independent of the endless parade of justifications presented by Mr Dennis about "the incident", the truth lies in the fact that Hamilton disobeyed a team order, nothing more. Had the team order not been given, then no Spanish temper would have flared and, consequently, no pit-stop revenge would have taken place.
To continue to say that McLaren do not impose team orders on its drivers is hypocritical and absurd.
Giorgio Cerboncini, Miami, USA
Legis, Rob, Trevor Griffiths .....jejjeje..... whichever payment the father of Hamilton so that you say that⦠jejejje.... Hamilton gives pain me ... he is pathetic
William, ginebra, suis
I´m totally astonish about Lewis Hamilton... His rudnes to his boss, the person who has helped him since the beggining.
But even more astonish that english´s press don´t writte too much about the way he spoke to Ron Dennis...
Rocio, Madrid, Spain
We were pleased to see the authorities act decisively and penalise McClaren as we remembered past occasions when it seemed Barrichello was not allowed to beat Schmacher in the Ferrari team. Hopefully it will deter others from acting like this again.
R Pallot, Jersey,
Dennis will punish Hamiltton in Turkey. I am sure.
Alonso and Pedro will be in the cars.I am sure.
Mclaren will be punished with 20 points less by spy. I am sure.
Massa will be in McLaren next year.I am sure.
Alonso will be in Ferrari next year.I am sure.
Remember this!
Angel Lago Villar, Sevilla, Spain
HAMILTON vs ALONSO!!! I want to see the fight... If Hamilton don´t use FIA or given special treatment to put Alonso too far. We like the real battle!! Let´s racing face to face
Pepe, Madrid, Spain
Fernando Alonso is a fantastic driver with two world championships against Michael Schumacher and who is Lewis Hamilton......
Carlos GarcÃa, Santa cruz de tenerife, Spain
Hamilton, please, go home and play videogames! You are NOT a gentleman, not a good driver, even NOT a good person. What you did last weekend was so far away from what we know as SPORT, particulary F1.
I think, and a lot of people too, that your behavior must change NOW!!
David, From Murcia now, UK
Ron Denis has never come across as a very nice person.
He always Put Mika Hakkinen over DAVID COULTHARD.
And always put Kimi Raikkonen over Pablo Montoya
Not giving the latters drivers a chance of winning unless his favourites broke down or crashed.
So now he has managed to abtain the best driver in the world (Alonso) will he reverts to his old bad habits and promotes hamilton to be his favourite there'by excluding Alonso.
horace, ports, England
Edward,you are not objetive. don´t you think you are too obvius. You have chosen Legis´s comment, which it is very clear it has been written by someone who doesn´t speak English very well (he is even worst than me)
I have read another comments which are much profesional. Why are you afraid to put those ones in your article?
Rocio, Madrid, Spain