Edward Gorman, Motor Racing Correspondent, in Monza
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The Formula One spying scandal took a sensational new turn in Italy yesterday as it emerged that Fernando Alonso, the team-mate of Lewis Hamilton, and Pedro de la Rosa, the team’s test driver, may have been forced to hand over sensitive information to the FIA, the sport’s governing body.
On Wednesday, the FIA stunned Formula One by announcing that it is to hold a fresh hearing in Paris next week into claims that McLaren used Ferrari technical secrets on their race cars this season, which the team strenuously deny. If found guilty, McLaren face the possibility of being thrown out of this year’s championship and next year’s as well.
Although the FIA indicated that it had received new evidence that sensitive technical information may have been used by McLaren, it did not say who the source was. This sparked a frenzy of speculation in Monza, where the Italian Grand Prix is being held on Sunday, with Alonso and De La Rosa at the heart of it.
It appears that the FIA has received a tip-off about the existence of new evidence in the past month. Early last week it wrote to all 11 team principals in Formula One asking them to disclose anything untoward that they may have knowledge of, in the interests of the sport. Intriguingly, the FIA also wrote to the three drivers at McLaren — Hamilton, Alonso and De La Rosa — but to no others.
The letter to the drivers was slightly different from the one sent to the team principals and, in addition to appealing to them to co-operate with the FIA’s investigation, it is thought to have promised them amnesty from punishment should any disclosures they make lead to sanctions against McLaren.
The Times understands that the FIA’s inquiries and the subsequent responses concerned an e-mail exchange between De La Rosa and Alonso that allegedly included sensitive technical information garnered from Ferrari via Mike Coughlan, the McLaren chief designer who has been suspended. Coughlan sparked the spying scandal when Ferrari discovered that he had received a large dossier of the team’s technical secrets this season.
Neither Alonso nor De La Rosa commented on the details yesterday. Alonso attended various interviews, but he was prevented by McLaren staff from answering questions on the spying affair. The claims were put to Ron Dennis, the embattled McLaren team principal, through an intermediary. However, Dennis declined to comment for “legal reasons”, other than to say that the team will continue their co-operation with the FIA investigation.
If Alonso and De La Rosa have been required to hand over material, it could have serious consequences for McLaren, who in recent weeks have lauded the role of so-called whistleblowers in Formula One acting in the interests of the sport.
The latest twists in this saga will have done nothing to ease tensions in a team struggling to cope with the hostility between Alonso and Hamilton. Alonso and his advisers have also made it clear that the world champion is unhappy at McLaren and his future with the team is in doubt.
In a separate development last night, McLaren were fined $50,000 (about £25,000) by the FIA for not disclosing the details of a “lightweight” gearbox that the team used at the Hungarian Grand Prix in time for the equipment to undergo crash tests.
After a meeting to consider the matter in Monza, the FIA stewards said: “Had such information been imparted in due time, the tests could have been satisfactorily completed prior to the Hungarian Grand Prix such that their use at this event would have been without criticism.”
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The FIA decision is rediculous, totally over the top. In this step they are killing the sport. all they are doing is ensuring that it will return to a Ferrari only sport for this and next year, might as well turn off the telly until 2010. They are spoiling F1 enjoyment for the world for what amounts to a very small amount of information - if there was serious spying going on it would have been much more cleverly hidden. And why since Alonso was complicit in the the "spying" is he not being punished?
This season F1 was getting interesting again, oh well not any more....
Martin, Aberdeen,
this season is already over.
mclaren are going to be sanctioned.
the fia are biaded towards ferrari.
the fia will do anything to help ferrari win the championship (and the next - if mclaren are sanctioned)
this behaviour has been happenind too long over too many seasons - fronkly im bored of the fia and ferrari cheating, i dont know what other people think, but im sure the feelings the same.
james wagland, clacton, essex
Ferraris are victims??? In F1, everyone has everything of everything, that is the truth. In the present season, Ferrari cannot win and then McLaren is the thief. If Ferrari would be first in driver's and constructor's championship, no spy-story would exist. Fernando out of the British team as soon as possible, he deserves more and more, Hamilton backs to your mom, Dennis buries yourself! (I'm a (ex)-McLaren supporter!)
Cristina, Pisa, Italia
Monza qualy: Alonso fastest in Q1, Q2 and Q3, as jurnos duly notted Alonso was fastest in Q2 8 times this year, but today got only his second pole. Finally McLaren got the message: screwing Alonso's chanses for pole will cost them more then they prepared to swallow.
Go Alonso!!
Bobby, Bolton,
Real or not the Ferrari's information , Mike Coughlan tried to take benefit of it, Then McLaren is guilty in any case.
Doc, London,
Now Mclaren is going to pay for the treatment given to Alonso and de la Rosa. Val d'Aran is not CATALONIA
Jordi, Aran, Val d'Aran
McLaren on TOPof constructors champ? of course! Would not you be TOP of your garage with a Mercedes performing like a Ferrari? But F1 has never been interesting because of constructors but because of pilots as engineering evolve so quickly that any new info is obsolete in only few weeks. The question is not if Mc used the illegal report or if Alonso is too selfish or if Lewis had got unfair advantage in Hungary and from the Team or if Felipe does not drive on rain or if Kimi lacks passion. The REAL Q is: who is fastest F1 driver? FIA pls. close this affair with all 4 drivers with same points after Monza and let the 4 remaining Prix give us have the true and real answer!
airton, sky,
How can McLaren be seen as guilty for the actions of an employee when Ferrari seem as ever to be seen as the innocent party. Was it not their employee that started the alleged leak of infornation in the first place. Once again it seems the Ferrari are immune to any wrong doing in the eyes of the F.I.A.
Adam Wilson, Edinburgh, G.B.
Nowadays, people from Great Britain are the third immigrants coming to Spain after the Bolivians and the Rumanians. It would be interesting to know how many of them are coming not only because they like to get suntanned and eating wellâ¦
In contrast, my admiration towards the other part of the British population who still do maintain the qualities that a long time ago were a reference for the rest of the world. And my admiration of course towards their neighbours of Ireland.
Anonimo, -/-, Spain/UK
I have no doubt the Mclaren are cheaters and have spy Ferrari. Their drives have get advantage of it... Hamilton too.
If Alonso have given the information to FIA maybe was not for the right reason but revenge. But he learns fast. He is learning for Hamilton... Now he just have to say that he doesn´t understand why the team look at him as he has done something bad, he is fighting for the right thing... (any bell is ringing?)
Jacob, Madrid, Spain
Conspiracy theories.
The most likely one would be that Ferrari, in determining they were going to lose the title, set up Coughlan by having someone in the team send him docs. Then, they set up the whole powder in the fuel thing to get Coughlan's friend in trouble.
Why?
The two of them were looking to move to another team. Able to kill two birds with one stone.
Paul, Toronto, Canada
Oh! Of course! The Anglo-Saxon plot against the Spaniard! Tha will be the Spaniard that won 2 consecutive world championships against a German?...you know, Germany where the Saxon tribes came from....
If anything there is less bias toward a Brit succeeding since Britain is a traditional F1 heartland and there is little more market penetration or profit to be had here.
Why do you thing Bernie Ecclestone is not fussed about there being a GP in the UK any more?
On the other hand, F1 in Spain was a poor second cousin to motorcycle racing until Fernando and *that* is where the big, profitable business is; it's in *new* markets, not existing ones.
So please stop whining about plots and conspiracys. There is nothing so far in this story that has implicated FA in any wrong-doing whatsoever, he may be a whistle-blower and all credit to him if he is.
Simon Tres, Edinburgh, Lotian
Amazing.
That's amazing.
It's the biggest scandal in the whole history of f1 race.
And it's from McLaren and Dennis, who EVER declared himself as honest sportmen.
lol
Fabrizio, Pistoia,
Since this incredible and atypical affair between Dennis and his protegé Hamilton and Alonso began, I´ve been reading Mr. Gorman´s blog. Several times I´ve had the impression of facing more a marketing report from Lewis Hamilton´s press team, rather than a journalistic article. Tonite I only want to remember an old F1 team manager: Machiavello. Dennis: touché, you and your protegé. Gorman beg a good salary for your ...job.
Rafa, Valencia, España
If you are trying to victimize Hamilton by accusing his team and team mates then this is purely pathetic.
jelly jones, Raisha,
As far as I know, all three drivers were 'asked' to contribute with any information they may have - which FIA somehow knew they had - if they did not want to loose their driver's licence..
Does it look like a plot by the Spaniards to destroy McLaren ...?don't make me laugh!
They have done what they were forced to do.. and it may well be (as Alonso has said) that they did it convinced McLaren was not guilty.
The dammage was already done.. don't try to blame it on Alonso/ De la Rosa.
Carlos, London,
Jorge you are all the right.
To and Spanish Gibraltar.
Puxia asturies!!!!!!!!
Pedro, Mieres,
Whilst you cannot prove McLaren's innocence, the attitude of Ferrari appears to me to be very ironic given the controversies that they have been involved in in the past.
I hope that the truth is uncovered soon, for the whole affair is increasingly damaging to the sport.
Andrew Abbott, Norwich, England
Looks like good time for Holy Hamilton to start denying that he uses Alonso's telemetry and set up.
Bobby, Bolton,
Alonso is alleged recipient of an unsolicited e-mail containing information about the Ferrari car. The electronic missive was allegedly posted in his inbox by McLaren test driver and friend Pedro de la Rosa, who, in turn, had received the mail from Mike Coughlan, the McLaren chief designer at the centre of the espionage affair. So, Alonso received an unsolicited e-mail, that's all.
Quixote, El Toboso, La Mancha
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According to my sources those emails do no exist. Alonso would have 'invented' the story and filtered to the 'friendly-Schumacher' german press knowing that it would be published damaging his image. Before doing so, a close 'friend' of Alonso would have passed that information to FIA with the intention of reopening the investigation. FIA wrote the letter to the three McLaren drivers (and at this point the news were filtered to the german press).
Now, FIA launches an investigation, all is proven to be absolute bollocks but, because Alonso's image has been damaged as a result of the speculations, he can break his contract with McLaren and join another team. Fantastic move.
This is the real history brought to you by an insider.
Regards from Monza, Milano, Italy
John, Suffolk,
If the Team had secret Information about Ferrari, both of the drivers would have benefitted from it. McLaren acted pretty stupid not to tell the Fia the very first moment they gained knowledge of the whole thing. I on´t think that any of the drivers is to blame for telling the FIA, IF anyone did so!, because both of them F.A and L.H would have acted the same way to save there careers. L.H demonstrated in Hungary the less he cares about the team. F.A won two championships against all odds, so i don´t think that he needed any of this. LH: did recieved a treatment of favour, even though the british press don´t want to realize this, but he could´nt manage to set a greater distance to his rivals.
Hans, Berlin, Germany
Perhaps Alonso's claim of bringing 0.6 sec of additional performance to the McLaren Team was not an idle boast. Perhaps his access to illict information was the source of this great performance jump and his boast was his way of foreshadowing what he knew was going to be a blockbuster revelation.
Now the FIA can simply go back and subtract 0.6 from each off the McClaren qualifying times and deternmine what McClaren's true performance would have been if they hadn't resorted to deceitful tactics.
The real losers here have been BMW who have been kept off of the podium due to McClaren's antics.
Poor Hamilton, still doesn't get it. The only reason he is a star figure is that his TEAM CHEATED. He can whine about it all he wants, its guilt by association and he should pay as well. It would have been intersting to see what the Hamilton hype would have been like, if McClaren were performing at the Toyota level and not falsely competing for podiums at every race.
Mike, Sneffels, CO
"To be or not to be, That's the question. Whether to struggle against a see of troubles an dby opposing them, ende them, or just to die, to sleep, no more"
Daniel Santana, Sevilla, Spain
that is what happens when you work in a cheat team whith a cheat patner (Ham). next week Alonso free of that secta.
min, jaen, spain
Why did you leave Renault, Fernando??!!!
I cannot belive this is happening, the F1 fans just want to watch great races and competition betwen the teams and the drivers, but that is too much, that is not sport is just bussiness.
The team must be penalized because of it, but they should not blame the pilots, they are just employees and as we say in Spanish "aquà ver, oir y callar" (here to watch, to listen and to shut up).
This is not fair, I do not like this sort of competition, I hope that the three pilots are not sanctioned because I love the F1, but... bye-bye Ron!!
Sergio, Madrid, Spain
"There were too many examples during Schmacher's reign of the FIA favouring Ferrarri and it seems that a pro-Italy and anti-England attitude at FIA continues. Why?"
Actually lately it seems that the FIA wants Lewis to be world champion. Example? How about being rescued by a CRANE, which unheard of) pullod him out from he was stuck and put him back on the track. Oh, it gets even better. How about his team being found guilty by the governing body of the FIA but not punished. Should I continue....?
tyndaris, South Windsor, USA
Please, take a bit of advice from an old F1 chap (of course, if you wish): Just wait for the truth to come to light next week. It's going to surprise many, many people!!!!
By now all you should know better. "Auto Motor Und Sport" historical record sales.. you know what I mean?
Yeap, we know emails have been flying, but just wait...maybe Alonso, De La Rosa and Hamilton have nothing to do with this (but McLaren does, no doubt)
By the way: I enjoyed today's free practice sessions
From Monza, Milano, Italy
Regards and Long Live Ferrari
John, Suffolk,
Whilst I applaud the compatriotism shown by the Spaniards commenting in defence of their hero, and wish that a few more Brits would rally behind their man of the moment rather than decrying him in a fit of jealousy, it nevertheless remains that this is a BIG crisis in the world of F1.
Imagine, what will happen if McLaren are thrown out of F1 for 2 years. You can bet that Dave Richards' ProDrive team won't be buying any McLarens; can he pull another deal out of the hat in time? Maybe not, which would leave F1 4 cars short on the grid.
Who would challenge Ferrari? No-one else has come close for 7 or more years. If F1 is to become a Ferrari parade, who would watch it? Not I...
And it would leave two brilliant drivers out in the cold. No hope for Alonso of his 3rd championship (unless he can depose a Ferrari driver); no hope for Hamiltion to make a magical rookie-year world championship.
Be in no doubt: If the WMSC throws McLaren out, F1 will suffer for many many years to come.
Ade, Wallasey, UK
Alonso have made it to be able to left McLaren. CATALONIA IS NOT SPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marc Sila, Rubi, Catalonia
Miguel Alférez, London, UK
I'm afraid you can find that same nationalistic attitude all over the world. I don't like it either, but it is not a exclusive trait of the Spaniards.
Noelia, Madrid, Spain
If the Team had secret Information about Ferrari, both of the drivers would have benefitted from it. McLaren acted pretty stupid
not to tell the Fia the very first moment they gained knowledge of the whole thing. I don´t think that any of the drivers is to blame for telling the FIA, IF anyone did so!, because both of them F.A and L.H would have acted the same way to save there careers. L.H demonstrated in Hungary the less he cares about the team.
F.A won two championships against all odds, so i don´t think that he needed any of this. LH: did recieved a treatment of favour, even
though the british press don´t want to realize this, but he could´nt manage to set a greater distance to his rivals.
Hans, Berlin, Germany
mclaren is guilty of all charges alonso did great, hamilton must cooperate or he may have serious problems(but i'm sure we'll see his father soon saying some dumb comments)
Nacho, Majadahonda,
Alan From Luton..your pathetic..Ferrari are the Victim here..they sacked Nigel Stephney as soon as they found out..All Mclaren had to do is tell Ferrari back in April when they knew their senior designer came in possession of the 750 page dossier, instead they kept it quiet for four months..Mclaren should be thrown out..period
Fabio , Sydney, Australia
The real question to ask is who gave Mike Coughlan the information in the first place? It beggars belief that he climbed through a window at Ferrari to obtain it and thus someone on the Italian team knows where the papers came from. And that thought in turn brings us to the idea of the perfect conspiracy. Create a file with enough information to look absolutely genuine and pass it on into Coughlan's hands, wait for a while and then start shouting "Gotcha". The whole thing stinks from start to finish and I for one very much doubt we will ever hear the full story.
Chris Coles, Medstead, Alton, United Kingdom
There were too many examples during Schmacher's reign of the FIA favouring Ferrarri and it seems that a pro-Italy and anti-England attitude at FIA continues. Why?
garth r a wiseman, london, england
It has nothing to do with Fernando being Spanish, this is ridiculous!!! I don't think you realise that outside Spain Fernando does not that much credits, due to his talking. He did not feel at home with Briatore and now it is the same. According to him he won the 2 titles all by himself, he never got help from the team, he did not feel at home, etc. Where Raikkonen does not speak, Fernando speaks too much. This is a case of McLaren and not the pilots. If all is true Ron Dennis has been lying and the team is guilty. The eyes are always put on Ferrari, but now it appears that McLaren is playing a foul game. It would be a shame when the pilots suffer of foul play by the team!! But all only if it is all true!!
Marc, Madrid, Spain
Alonso is alleged recipient of an unsolicited e-mail containing information about the Ferrari car. The electronic missive was allegedly posted in his inbox by McLaren test driver and friend Pedro de la Rosa, who, in turn, had received the mail from Mike Coughlan, the McLaren chief designer at the centre of the espionage affair. So, Alonso received an unsolicited e-mail, that's all.
Ronn, Bilbao, Spain
O please!! Stop with the race argument. This is not about if Alonso is Spanish or if Hamilton is black. The could be green, yellow or purple. It does not matter. The fact is that âthe chief designerâ of McLaren had 780 pages of confidential Ferrari information. The FIA must find out how and why he had that information and if it was used in McLarens cars. It would be a real shame for the sport if it is found out that someone was cheating. Also deciding a championship in the courts and not in the track would leave the winning team and fans totally disappointed this season. So stop making retarded arguments that this whole thing is about race because it is not!
Jorge L IbarraRivera, Guatemala City, Guatemal
I am Spanish, I live in UK, a very nice country with very nice people. I've been living 28 years in Spain and don't think Miguel Alvarez has lived many in Spain cos with that comment he demonstrates a deep ignorance of Spanish people, please don't show such unfortunate comments.
Borja Gonzalez, Birmingham, UK
In my opinion, I feel that McLaren are guilty of any charges that the FIA impose on the team that cheated. Mike Coughlan, the McLaren chief designer who has been suspended was in possession with Ferrariâs designs for the 2007 car.
Donât you think that McLaren used these designs on their car?
How are they fooling to say that the design was not used?
Ron Dennis and his team should bear the gaunt of the law.
May the powers of the FIA find McLaren guilty!
Bruce McLaren would be turning in his grave to see that the team stole the designs from Ferrari.
Nelson, Johannesburg, South Africa
Dear Luis Gelmirez, it is absolutely ridiculous to state Fernando is "being hunted" for being Spanish!! This is ridiculous. I live in Spain and what is happening is that Fernando is a huge hero in Spain, but not in other countries, due to his selfish and sometimes snobistic behaviour. His declaration in the past against his former team (I feel alone, no one helps me, I have won the title alone as I did not get help) and against McLaren does not give him a lot of credits outside Spain.
Alonso is a great driver but has problems opening his mouth, where nothing comes out of Raikkonen and too much out of Fernando.
The reality is that illegal documents were in possession of McLaren, but the question is whether Ron Dennis lied about the fact it was a single act of Couglan and no one else in McLaren knew about it!!
This is against a team, and not against the 2 pilotes.
Marc, Madrid, Spain
It never ceases to amaze me how partisan a lot of Spanish supporters/posters are...There's yet no evidence of any wrongdoing but we already have theories eg Alonso deliberately screwing up McLaren...
Does the term objectivity mean anything?
Don A, Manchester, UK
Alonso said yesterday in spain that it´s false. But, if its True ¿What´s the problem? Alonso must help the FIA becouse if not he lose the superlicense F1 driver and thats is a big big risk for him. Ron Denis love Hamilton, thats to clear, and then Alonso have to think in his future. By by Mclaren........The same about Sir Pedro de la Rosa, a great driver and better person.....
vicente, Madrid,
Perfect.
Alonso will have in his contract a clause that allows him to move away from McLaren without penalty if the team suffers serious censure of disqualification. He and Briatore have focused on this point from the moment the spy scandal first emerged. Briatore has been stirring the plot with Todt (not known as the Toad for nothing) and egging on the FIA after the first hearing.
If McLaren are hammered then Todt gets the championship and Briatore gets Alonso back for free. It is not a coincidence that the suspected emails that could damn McLaren have been supplied by Alonso.
He would have told Briatore that they could represent new evidence and Briatore then tells the FIA to ask for them.
There are some genuine scum bags in Formula One and they are not found in the ranks of McLaren senior management.
Alonso has been shown up by his team mate this season to be lacking both as a driver on the track and as a man and respect for him in the paddock is zero.
Milo, Shanghai, China
In my opinion, I feel that McLaren are guilty of any charges that the FIA impose on the team that cheated.
Mike Coughlan, the McLaren chief designer who has been suspended was in possession with Ferrariâs designs for the 2007 car.
Donât you think that McLaren used these designs on their car?
How are they fooling to say that the design was not used?
Ron Dennis and his team should bear the gaunt of the law.
May the powers of the FIA find McLaren guilty!
Bruce McLaren would be turning in his grave to see that the team stole the designs from Ferrari.
Forza Ferrari!
Nelson, Johannesburg, South Africa
There is a plot against him because he is a Spaniard?? That is a little sad isn't it. I think it is quite clear that Alonso is not being targeted in this inquiry but McLaren are.
It says he is being offered amnesty from any wrong doing. i.e. he will be able to walk away from cheating , if proven guilty of course.
it is a sad state of affairs that is ruining a great championship. Spaniards blameing a conspiracy against Spain and its people in formula one are not helping matters, and frankly it is a little pathetic.
Howard, Tokyo, Japan
If the team are responsible for the actions of their employees. Then Ferrari have a lot to answer for, throw them out. To stop any team gathering sensitive technical information let the cars race in square rectangular boxes, won't affect the aerodynamics much, certainly not in case of the Honda!
Alan, Luton, UK
I hate it when my fellow Spaniards (eg, Luis Gelmirez-Froilán de Guzmán and IDR) believes that everyone and everything is against our country and/or countrymen. One of the reasons I left Spain is people like this. Please do not take them into account, they are nothing but unhappy people unable to find fault in any fellow Spaniard.
Miguel Alférez, London, UK
EVEN if its all true and Alonso is the blamer I think he's got the right to be so.
As he has played no part in this, and as his career might have been jeopardized by McLaren due to this, AND even more, as he has had to swallow all the despairs, the "somebody has touched your tyre pressure so you have to use inappropiate tyres" stuff, and who knows which other hardships orchestrated by his own team (cmon, what possible credibility can McLaren have left?), I'd do the same thing, screw McLaren.
Jorge, Madrid, Spain
Lewis....Don´t you like the maquiavelic strategy ?...Ok, Here you have.....First : Call to Ferrari , Second : Giving FIA all the information for expulsing Mc Laren of the competition this year and the next. Third : Go to the italian team.....Lewis, this for Hungary....Ron, this for all the year
Pedro, Madrid, Spain
I expect Pedro De La Rosa is going to carry the can here. He worked with Mike Coughlan at Arrows and the two are friends.
The temptation for a test driver to read a rivals testing procedures contained in the Ferrari document would be hard to resist.
As for Mclaren a $10 m fine and loss of all 2007 constructor points is my bet. I hope the drivers title is not affected but Ferrari might force the FIA's hand by threatening civil action against the drivers.
adam forrester, London, UK
Although Mr Ed Gorman comment that Alonso did not mention anything during yesterday interviews,
Yesterday afternoon, F Alonso was interviewed by Telecinco Channel TV, and Fernando Alonso was asked directly about the e-mails between De la Rosa and himself.
He said directly: "That is False, are just lies"
Everybody could saw it at the TV, at least those who can understand Spanish.
IDR, Madrid, Spain
Don Fernando Alonso (sir ferdinand Alphons to you) has a great heart. He plays fair . There is a complot against him
because is SPANIARD and It,s more profitable (in bussiness terms) an anglosaxon man in an anglosaxon world.
luis Gelmirez-froilán de Guzmán, Santander, Spain