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Bernie Ecclestone, the billionaire boss of Formula One, said last night that he did not believe it would be appropriate for Max Mosley to attend this weekend’s Bahrain Grand Prix after the lurid revelations of Mr Mosley’s part in an alleged Nazi-style orgy with five prostitutes.
Mr Ecclestone, a long-time friend of Mr Mosley, the president of the world governing body of motorsport, the Fédération Internationale de l’Auto-mobile (FIA), told The Times that Mr Mosley’s presence would distract from the race and would not be appreciated by the Bahraini Royal Family.
“He shouldn’t go, should he? The problem is he would take all the ink away from the race and put it on something which, honestly and truly, is nobody else’s business anyway,” Mr Ecclestone said. Asked how the Royal Family might react to Mr Mosley’s presence, Mr Ecclestone said: “They wouldn’t like it.”
Mr Ecclestone’s comments came as Formula One teams and car manufacturers involved in the sport began expressing deep unease at Mr Mosley’s apparent determination to continue in his post, despite revelations in the News of the World at the weekend that have shocked the sport. The paper reported how Mr Mosley, 67, the son of the Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, spent five hours with five prostitutes in an underground “torture chamber” in Chelsea last Friday indulging in sado-masochistic sex.
The FIA president was said to have re-enacted an alleged concentration camp scene in which he played the role of both guard and inmate and, speaking in German, beat the women and allowed himself to be inspected for lice and “interrogated” in chains. The revelations shocked Jewish groups and leading figures in Formula One.
Despite suggesting that he should not travel to the Gulf, Mr Ecclestone continued to stand by his friend and said he would not be calling for Mr Mosley to resign. “What Max should do is what he thinks is right because it is only him that’s involved, not the FIA,” said Mr Ecclestone. “He must do what he believes, in his heart of hearts, is the right thing.”
Mr Ecclestone admitted that many would find the disclosures of Mr Mosley’s personal conduct hard to understand. “If Max was in bed with two hookers, they’d say ‘good for you or something like that’,” Mr Ecclestone said. “But this, as it is, people find it replusive. I think that’s the problem.”
Mr Mosley was unavailable for comment but his spokesman said he had no intention of resigning and was planning to tough it out. He is pursuing legal action against the News of the World and has already forced the paper to remove a video of the orgy from its website.
Mr Ecclestone believes his friend and business associate will get nowhere in the courts and, taking action will only give the story further publicity. “The trouble with Max is he’s been brave and there is bravado at the moment, but I don’t think it’s going to be easy. And if he starts to sue, from what I understand, the chances of him winning would be slim and, the trouble is, it’s just a lot more ink for the press.”
Among car manufacturers involved in Formula One there was particular disgust in Germany where BMW and Mercedes-Benz are based, over the Nazi element in Mr Mosley’s conduct. The story is also believed to have dismayed senior figures in the Japanese companies, Toyota and Honda, who have strict rules on personal and official morality.
One leading figure in a Japanese Formula One team said he did not believe it was possible for Mr Mosley to continue and that the groundswell of feeling against him would grow, not ebb away, as the week progressed. “It’s a credibility and judgment issue – fantasising about one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century is obviously completely inappropriate.”
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I don't think Max Mosley is good for F1, and I thought that way before the sex scandal came up. I think it is well past time for Max to go, so go now.
Ken, Bonny Doon, California
Mr Ecclestone admitted that many would find the disclosures of Mr Mosleyâs personal conduct hard to understand. âIf Max was in bed with two hookers, theyâd say âgood for you or something like thatâ,â Mr Ecclestone said.
Who is "they'd"? Not me.
These are the people leading F1???
Mosley should be FIRED, not voted out.
Ron, Indianapolis, USA
Imagine. What if Bill Ford great-grandson of Henry Ford whom gave assistance to the Naziâs in the 30âs had done the same thing as Mr. Mosley. Or it came out that GM CEO; Rick Wagoner was engaging in American slave owner themed adult play. Or it came to light that a Japanese MITI boss had WWII Manchurian themed adult play fantasies.
The issue shouldnât be that Mr. Mosley had a bit of adult play. Rather the issue should be the way in which he played, with a human issue that scars history. It offers a look at his moral integrity. This in the context of a man whom while not being a captain of industry, is in a position of bureaucratic power of a pseudo-sport business entity that plays to an international audience.
This isnât the case of a young lad whom happened to be a royal exhibiting poor judgment at a fancy dress party. This is the case of an adult charged with great responsibility by a few, whom has had some of his private twists and bents made very public.
Karl, Manhattan Beach, California
Max Mosley should be voted out, not only has he let himself down but also his family, here is a man of an influential position who should be setting good standards but no he is using prostitutes if he is not voted out what does this say of the FIA and its members, using prostitutes is not only immoral but also degrading for those allowing there bodies to be used and abused for money from rich men like mosley, how would he like it if his son or daughter were prostitutes??, no respecting mother or farther would like to see their sons and daughters turn to prostitution , it should not be about 'his private life do what i want' the fact that this person is immoral and has been caught out he should bow his head and crawl underneath a small rock and stay there!!
mike, new york , usa
It is a sad day when we have trial by media and find a person guilty with many unproven allegations. What ever happened to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty! Moseley has been found guilty before he has had the opportunity to answer his critics. F1 is no longer a sport, it is a business, so let's not lose sight of that fact. F1 ceased to be a sport when sponsorship and multi-million US dollar contracts for drivers became the accepted normal state of affairs. Having made that point, would we dismiss the CEO of a multi-billion dollar enterprise because of his alleged and unproven private affairs with a group of unrelated people?
Drew, Sydney, Australia
I'm confused about what Max Mosely's personal life has to do with his ability to run F1 racing.
F1 has degraded into a farce in many aspects since the 90s. There are only a few competitive teams, many tremendously overpaid drivers who reveal their true incompetence when TC was removed [cough...Massa...cough], and nepotism still takes precedence over any talent, just ask Mr. Piquet or Mr. Nakajima.
Now, we are concerned about the offending the moral standards of gulf kingdom leaders?
Ray, Toronto, Canada
I do not believe that Mr.Mosley really thinks that he can do his known job in future, while everyone knows and can have via youtube a look at his, let´s be very friendly, alternative sexual visions.
We are talking about the F1, a money-maschine that is hard to compare with any other sport. So it is only a matter of time when, but not a basic discussion if he needs to resign.
Even that he might be right, that this all belongs to his private time and wishes - the problem is: It is not private anymore.
Roland, Salzburg, Austria
Will Max go or not.. The $100 million dollar question!
Mclaren has grounds to question the fine!!
Tunde , London, Engerland
At least now we know why he needed that $100 million!
martyn, calvia, spain
The amazing side in all this saga is the monstrosity of the shear tolerance and protection expressed by some female readers and commentators on this page towards one of the most despicable and disgusting form of violent sexual perversion. It's none of the public's business? Of course it is!
The FA is not a private company own by its current president. According to Alfred Adler, founder of the Individual Psychology, sexual perversions, and this one in particular, are expressions of very serious neuroses reaching to psychoses. This maso orgy might be not a crime in this far too liberal society, nor are madness or stupidity crimes but you don't entrust a person with serious faults with high positions of responsibility. The same mind capable of behaving so disgracefully is the same mind making serious business decisions. Wow ! And what about their leading roles in front of millions of sport fans?
Carlo di Giorgio, Venice, Italy
He should leave inmediately. There is no room in F1 for racists, not in the crowd, as did Spanish maniac fans, but not even on the top of the sport. It is well known that Mosley's father was a nazi, which wasn't any problem to make a fortune in the UK, but today, in international sport there should be no room for this kind of people, no matter how rich they are. Bernie should suggest his friend to leave asap, and the teams MUST put pressure on Ecclestone to do so. We can't admit behaviours as Spanish fans against Hamilton, and we can't admit that the president of the sport has nazis fantasies, and make orgies with the nazi uniform. I do not care his private life, but now he can't represents nothing.
javier, Montpellier, France
Max should go if only because his actions show a deep disregard for human dignity and insensitivity for the sins of the past which his father was a significant part in the UK. He of all people must know what he was doing and this reflects badly on his judgement and integrity.
Since Bernie Ecclestone is so keen to suport his friend and business partner and to defend Moseley's activities perhaps he should resign from his involvement in Formula One as well. Perhaps we can then get on with enjoying the sport of motor racing and kick the inflated egos into touch.
Barrie, Evesham, UK
I strongly feel he should resign - he now represents everything a person finds distasteful in life - infidelity, depravity, insensitivity to a (previously) marginalised group. I think his actions are abhorrent - and for him to pretend he can continue is nothing but self-serving and arrogant.
Whatever he has, or has not, done for F1, he now represents the worst of excesses, selfishness and weakness. For all of us who have to represent our country overseas, he is a huge step backwards. He is a huge embarrassment.
Nice, Stoke, UK
In reaction tyo the quote from sevenoaks - I think you'll find that theres several laws forbidding the payment for sex of any kind.
James, Glasgow,
one can't help but think he's bound to go.... certainly given the reaction the cuffs seem to be off...
Philip , Surrey,
Last week there were a load of gushing messages supporting a female who became a 'male' and then got pregnant. No consent from the unborn baby, and not much moral indignation.
This week, someone gets involved with role play and five prostitutes, where everyone consented, and people want him out.
What is so wrong about Mosely's antics? They aren't going to harm anyone else.
Cossy, Banstead,
" don't see the need for him to resign. After all, what he did was not criminal and is no ones business."
But it is totally tasteless and very immoral. Its a matter of integrity- who would want to deal with such a man or watch a sport governed by someone like that. Also given his background he's playing with fire.
Philip , Surrey,
Is the issue that the uniforms were Nazi? or that he is immoral? Would it have been more acceptable if the prostitutes were dressed as nuns or teachers? Would that have made it more or less acceptable ? What if they were dressed as politicians?
GK, Calgary, Canada
Unbelievable, not only wheel restraints but also personnel retraints. If he has any sense of reality, which judging by his activities he does not, he would resign immediately. His behaviour is wholly inappropriate.
Tim Brown, Milton Keynes, England
I think this story will run on comment alone. The simple reason that the video and/or pictures have been taken down is that they can be taken as invasion of privacy. Unless Max has signed a Model Release Waiver, to continue to show the video would place the NOTW in the murky waters of fair comment if defending a court action. Clearly, the story stands up so they are playing this by the book and have taken down the pics - for now... In the meantime, if you search around YouTube and other video websites, you can easily find the video. Sorry Max - it's time to go. This is indefensible.
David Hodge, Pardaillan, France
He has given F1 a blackeye.
He must resign for the good of the sport.
I hope he is fired. He has done enough damage in his tenure as FIA president.
Luis Croplimas, Los Angeles, Ca.
He most go. There is no other way. The Nazi element of his tryst is totally disgusting and offensive, the rest was his business. Reading through the lines of Bernie's statement, that he should not go to Bahrain, is the first indication that Bernie and almost everyone in F1 feels he should leave. Why would it be anymore acceptable for him to attend the following Race? How could the Nazi element possibly go away after one race? To read Bernie's statement, is to know that Max is finished, as he should be.
Andrew Cousins, Peterborough, Canada
I like to play golf at noon on Fridays. Obviously, Mr. Mosely does not. I think he should step down immediately for the good of the sport.
Pat, Cleveland, Ohio USA
I don't see the need for him to resign. After all, what he did was not criminal and is no ones business.
Franziska Erbar, Sevenoaks,
its too late for him to go quickly.....good to see the F1 teams are letting their displeasure be known....I wonder what Ferrari will say
Philip , Surrey,
What a pervert - he is an embarrasment to pensioners everywhere
fred, london, england
Did anyone else notice the complete and utter lack of any information on this on the News last night? I found this rather surprising and it makes me wonder if some pressure is being brought to bear on the BBC / ITN (Heir Mosely is quite well connected after all).
Just find it interesting that a story like this can be ignored by our so called 'independant' news agencies......
Andy , Worthing, UK
just for once Max, do the decent thing and go, quickly and quietly!
Steve Harlow, Nottingham, uk
I am glad Mr Mosley is not from Spain, otherwise we would be being called Masochist, Racist and Fascist, everyone, all entire country. I can imagine the articles written in Daily Mail or the Sun and the opinions of all LH fans spiting on our country. I think at list this can help someone to think twice before making those conclusions based on two stupids' behavior. I will not say the same, I love England and in general I like every English people I know.
Tom, Oviedo, Spain
As a crusader for F1 safety, Mr Mosley of all people should realise by wearing a Hans device the danger of whiplash injuries would be significantly reduced.
TonyP, London, UK
To quote an article on another news site printed on the 10th February '08:
"F1 boss pledges to tackle racists
Motorsport boss Max Mosley has said he will impose immediate sanctions if there are any further incidents of racist abuse in Formula One. "
Looks to me like he has found his first target....
Hugh, Northampton, Northants
Apparently the new generation has forgotten what it was like. This is a man whose "fetishes" are related to the most despicable war in history. He has brought disgrace on the sport by his very actions.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
---Julius Caesar
Michael Hollander, Redondo Beach, USA
I don't see the need to resign, after all, what is doing in his private life is not criminal and actually no ones business.
Franziska Erbar, Sevenoaks,
I think this whole episide should be known as "MAXGATE".
Nigel Wayne. Malta
Nigel Wayne, Sliema, Malta
The mnan has become a joke! His role at the FIA must now be untenable? If he has any self-respect left, then he will jump now before he is pushed!
Matt, Napoli, Italy
Hehehehehe, priceless!!!!!
And he questioned Ron Dennis' integrity???
Rob Johnson, Leeds, West Yorkshire
Congratulations to Ron Dennis and all the faithful at McLaren!(Ron please stay on until you hoist the next Constructors Championship trophy and hopefully watch Jackie Stewart become head of the FIA).
John, Connecticut, USA
Funny how nobody ever indulges in kinky fantasies about Stalin and Soviet communism..
The Nazis lasted six years in peace, six years in war, were utterly crushed and their leader driven to kill himself, and it all happened over 60 years ago.
Yet still they fascinate. Adolf Hitler is more discussed, reviled, secretly admired and feared than any living leader. Nazis are glamorous, transgressive, exciting. Commies are dull.
Obviously the kernel of National Socialism is something that entrances western imaginations in a manner that marxism never will: possibly since it is based on an appreciation (however tendentious) of the realities of biology which resonates in the blood.
Socialism's delusions about equality are the product of the top layers of brains. Deep down it is patriotism that we acknowledge as paramount. After all, in 1914 and 1939 men went out to die for country, not class. But when the USA calls for crusades for universal "democracy" and "human rights"-- no sale.
David L Nilsson, London, England
Does Ecclestone not have any idea what the fallout could be if Mosley doesnt resign asap ?
The Bahrainis have rightly made their feelings clear.
I would hope and expect there to be widespread demonstrations at Grand Prix races particularly in Hungary Austria Poland this year.
Hats of to Brundle for not ducking the issue.
Cliff Canning, Mold , UK
His stewardship of the FIA has coincided in my waning interest in F1 and motorsport in general.
If I can't sleep I watch a recording of a grand prix - far superior to sleeping pills.
Get rid of him.
There is only one serious replacement JACKIE STEWART! if he wants the job. A true sportsman in charge of motorsport.
It's still called motorsport but under Mosley and Ecclestone it should have been renamed MotorBusiness a long time ago!
Eddie Earl, Orpington, UK
Thank you mr mosely, this story was worth 100mil and both championships, thanks for a wonderful gift for all true fans of F1.
Geoff, Garner, australia
How the wheel turns?
The old saying what goes around, comes around seems appropriate here.
After he led the FIA in a witch-hunt against McLaren it seems poetic that Mr Mosely is facing some of his own medicine.
James, Inverness,
If he was a British MP he would have no need to worry. As it is, he exists in the real world and that world has limits on what it considers to be decent conduct. He can still do the decent thing.
David Masu, Zürich,
Sorry but lost me - what has his sexual activities to with either motor racing or the Bahraini Royal Family?
Andrew, Sydney, Australia
As a Canadian of European heritage, I am disgusted by Mr. Mosley's alleged actions. They are indeed thoughtless and reprehensible. How insulting! Just what was he thinking? With German and Polish drivers involved in the sport....whose relatives may have been harmed by the Nazi regime.....in particular Robert Kubica who comes from a country that lost a quarter of it's population in the war and occupation of that era......Mr. Mosley owes some big apologies. This must certainly put his overall judgment into question. How can such an insensitive man be trusted to act in the best interests of the sport? Quickly, before even more damage is done.....he must be forced to resign! Do the right thing, Mr. Mosley! You're not going to be able to explain this one away very easily!
C. Antonowicz, Ottawa, Canada
5 hours with 5 women? I think he should be given an award!
Jeffrey , Pentonville, England
Well, it still depends on him whether to continue or not, but morally, you would really feel difficult to face the public. But i don't think he is ever going to be re-elected...
By the way my question to TimesOnline is, why is Kimi Raikkoenen a joint second, when the rules clearly state that whenever points are equal, the no of highest position should define the championship. Same in the case of Nico Roseber agains Fernando.
I know this is not the end of championships anyway, but is it something of a plot to keep him as down as possible from lewis hamilton.
Parag Dhungana, Gwangju, South Korea
I thought that the FIA had a rule about "degrading the sport" and heavy penalties if so found guilty.
I suppose someone needs to say it. "Would the real Max Mosley please stand up."
And the only reason I can think of that Mr Ecclestone is actually supporting his friend like this, is simply, without Max running the FIA and if someone who actually cared about the sport was the president he would slowly see all his power vaporize.
Nigel Aves, Longmont, US / Colorado
As a long-time Formula One fan, I hope Mr. Mosley resigns quickly. The behavior exhibited on the News of the World tape shows a complete lack of sensitivity and judgment; I don't know how F1's fans, teams or sponsors can tolerate having a person like this in charge of the sport's rule-making body. I've always thought that criticism of Mosley was just F1 politics, until his very public and inappropriate spat with Sir Jackie Stewart last year. This latest sickening episode just confirms what kind of person he is. The sooner he is gone the better.
Steve, Seattle, USA
I could not stand him before and I still cannot stand him. However, he should not have to resign because of his fetishes.... it would be nice to see him resign along with some of the others who control F1 in the hope that it will become a sport again rather than simply, big business.
Chris, Wakefield, United Kingdom
It is not the royal people's reaction that he should be worried about, I will be interested in how the Germans re-act when the Grand Prix hits Germany...especially the Holocaust survivors and their families.
Kathy, Charleston, SC
Its a pity that its the scandle that is going to make him stand down and not his incompetance! His decisions have been disgraceful during his time, constantly changing F1 for the worst aswell as WRC, which he is now trying to force to take a 30 year step backwards by adopting two wheel drive again, I for one would be glad to see him removed from power and have someone who actually understands motorsport take his place
Paul Walsh, Ormskirk,
Mosley to resign? Watch out for a statement this morning, before noon, after all it is ALL FOOLS DAY!!
R. P. Dixon., London,