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Max Mosley, the president of the FIA, has said that he spoke in German during a sado-masochistic orgy with five prostitutes not because he was fantasising about being a Nazi but because several of the prostitutes involved were German speakers.
The News of the World alleged that Mosley, who is facing calls to resign from one of the most powerful jobs in motor sport, spanked at least one prostitute with a leather strap and counted out the strokes in German as he did so. The paper claimed that this was evidence of a Nazi-style fantasy on the part of Mosley and it also alleged that the FIA president engaged in role play as a concentration camp inmate during the five-hour orgy in a West London flat last Friday.
However, The Times has learnt that, as part of his legal action against the News of the World, Mosley will argue that he spoke in German only because at least two of the five prostitutes were German and that there was no intention on his part to engage in activity that could be said to have Nazi overtones.
After three days of lurid headlines and calls for him to resign, Mosley is going on the offensive over a scandal that has shocked Formula One and the boardrooms of the car manufacturers who compete in the sport. Since the story broke on Sunday, he has spent many hours speaking to lawyers, assembling a case against the paper that will centre on invasion of privacy and his belief that he was the victim of a set-up. It appears that Mosley will not deny that he took part in the orgy but will dispute the context in which it occurred.
In a letter to all the members of the FIA that is expected to be published today, Mosley claims that he has been the victim of a “deliberate and calculated personal attack” after what he said was a “covert investigation” of his private life and background. He said that he had been told about the investigation by what he called an “impeccable high-level source close to the UK police and security services”.
“Regrettably, you are now familiar with the results of this covert investigation and I am very sorry if this has embarrassed you or the club,” Mosley said, before adding that he had received a “very large number” of messages of support from people within the FIA and motor sport. These messages had underlined, he said, that his private life is not relevant to his work and that he should continue in his role as FIA president.
“I shall now devote some time to those responsible for putting this into the public domain but, above all, I need to repair the damage to my immediate family, who are the innocent and unsuspecting victims of this deliberate and personal attack,” he said.
While Mosley may have his supporters, inquiries by The Times suggest that there is also widespread revulsion at his behaviour, whether there was a Nazi connotation to it or not. The scandal has been discussed at boardroom level in most of the big car manufacturers and there have been rumours that a statement from several of them calling for Mosley's resignation has been considered.
The impression given by the manufacturers and the Formula One teams is that people are nervous about speaking out, fearing Mosley's wrath at a later date, should he remain in his post. In the meantime, there is bemusement that he has the nerve to continue. As one senior figure in Formula One put it: “How can you have a leader of industry, which is what Formula One is, who is a pervert?”
In the immediate future, Mosley has perhaps wisely chosen to stay away from this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix, claiming that he is too busy with lawyers to make the trip. There is little doubt, however, that he has recognised that, as predicted by Bernie Ecclestone, Formula One's commercial rights holder, his presence would distract attention from the race and embarrass the Bahraini royal family.
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Max Moseley hurt nobody. Everything that went on was between purely consenting adults. Great. I just wish there where more like him.
And yet the enforced sexual assaults at many workplaces, and during grotesque strippogram acts are eagerly accepted, despite these ideas of what is decent.
Mark Horton, Walsall, Englan
Both Mosley AND Ecclestone should resign from F1. They are out of touch with the real world and, from what I can gather and dispite saying otherwise, seem intent on killing F1 racing in this country. Anyone other than Mosley would have resigned but it will all go under the carpet and be forgotten!
Glen Livesey, Huddersfield, UK
That's because Porsche and Volkswagen will never become involved in Formula 1.
Andrey, Sumy, Ukraine
The sado/masochistic orgy is his one redeeming feature. The possible Nazi overtones seem a little unfounded - speaking German doesn't exactly make you a Nazi (too many Indianna Jones movies perhaps?), but of course somewhat dubious to despicable if true. I'm not so concerned about his family, it's HIS family.
Wish someone would do something about those disgusting cars though, they seem to be having babies faster than drunk bunny rabbits.
Tom Greer, Auckland, New Zealand
Why cant people just leave him alone. What he gets upto in his private life is nothing to do with anyone else. And if his family feel "embarrassed", tough for them. Stop being a complete bunch of snobs.
Lee Reynolds, Aylesbury, UK
The acorn has apparently not fallen far from Oswald Mosley's tree.
William Davis, Los Angeles, California, USA
If its about standards and setting examples then someone in his postion should resign after what he has been caught doing. It does not matter whether its in his private life or not as he has lost the respect of all his peers.
He suould think about his family as they are the real casualties in all of this.
He should now resign as soon as possible
Darren Howarth, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Are we to believe that if a Formula One personality, team owner, driver or pundit was in some way caught in a compromising position that Max Mosley as President of the FIA would take a liberal attitude to their private indiscretions ?? I don't think so. Do the right thing Max you've disgraced this sport for long enough resign.
Nick, Bedford, England
How dare Max Mosley claim to know what ordinary descent people think of his sordid little fantasy. He's disgraced himself and our sport for long enough. Time to go.
Nick, Bedford, England
If he was able to speak Italian, what then? Or Urdu? He spoke German so where does the Nazi bit come from? (His crazy Dad died more than a generation ago).
Who keeps this Nazi thing alive? Some sado-masochistic fantasists, IMHO. Its a serious piece of history and should be dealt with as such.
M Tegen, Sheffield, UK
I can't believe this man is being castigated for roleplay with other consenting adults . The only immoral person involved is whoever sold it to the dishrag in which it was originally reported. I hope he sues the pants off them.
Mary, Chester, England
Good reaction to it all Max.... reminds me of a rat in a corner. Hmm now why did I think of that?
Baz, Lowestoft, uk
If everybody can be honest here, I wonder how many men would indulge in an extra marital affair, kinky or not, if they thought they could get away with it? I suspect many, but I suspect openly, not many will admit to it. Is it right that those having affairs should lose their jobs because of something they do in their personal lives? Dont know...just a thought. Obviously this is just a great bit of cheap 'sport' for the newspaper concerned. Again, lets be honest here. Everybody reading those articles, was reading because they were interested to hear what went on, not because of who it was. Typical British standards....double ones.
Faith, nottingham, uk
Good luck to him. No one seems worried about the alleged 5 prostitutes. It's the Nazi's. I wonder if the fantasy had been a Roman Emporer and five slave girls if the condemnation would have been the same. Maybe the public ishould grow up. A 67 year old bloke having great time is something to be celebrated.
Villan, London,
The self-righteous and santimonious commentary of the "senior formula one figure" and those commenting in this column evidences depressing narrow-mindedness and a willingness to allow the scurge of tabloid journalism to gain influence over simple minds. Unlike someone like Spitzer, Mosley does not hold himself out as a paragon of personal morality. A Nazi fantasy, if it was that, does not make him a fascist. His private life, though embarrassing, is entirely irrelevant to his ability to act as FIA President. I shouldn't be surprised if half the leaders of business have extravagant fantasies. To adopt the bigot's vernacular, they are only "perverts" if those fantasies harm others (such as paedophilia and bestiality).
BS, London,
The News of the World's prurient, slavering coverage and a lot of the venomous moralising on here have put me in the strange position of rooting for someone I previously found odious.....................
Esther, London,
When Mosely says he spoke German because a couple of the prostitutes did, this is not the same as saying they only spoke German. It can mean they spoke German and English too, or English and a few words of German too.
But this public discussion must surely destroy Mosely.
mitch, eastchester, ny
Mr Sanson makes raises a fair point, but let's distinguish
between puritan objection to Mosley's antics (about which
I couldn't give a hoot) and simple personal distaste for
him. As many who follow motorsport may agree, he is more
than fair game in this regard, considering the numerous
personal and condescending comments he has vociferated
towards drivers, team owners, designers, manufacturers
and viewers over the years. He doesn't just question
others' judgment he heaps scorn instead. At last his
own sense of judgment has been exposed and it has been
a long time in coming. Mosley is first and foremost a
politician and now he is going to fall like so many
before who have embarrassed themselves publicly.
Maybe then we can have an FIA president who has more
interest in motorsport than politics. One who does not
meddle with the rules from one season to another. And
we can return to seeing real racing that we last saw in
the eighties, before his dogmatic reign.
Ian, Newcastle, UK
Anyone hoping for the demise of Max Mosely, don't hold your breath. This man is SMART and he operates in an industry where the power of the deal overcomes all else. Just ask 200 odd ASN's if they care that Max is kinky! They couldn't care less. After a lot publicity about it, none of the main players will have the nerve to do or say anything in case they end up with some out of the blue technical infringment that costs them a few million or even a championship no less. Eventually the F1 world, with its amazing ability to develop Alzheimer's when it suits it, will move onto the next scandal and turn it into another publicity extravanganza. What a crowd of operators!
costas, monaco,
If he were honourable, he would do the right thing and stand own, but his disgusting antics show him anything but honourable so he needs to be pushed and deserves all the adverse publiciy his shameful perverse antics deserve. Shame on you, you fillthy pervert, stay away from my family.
nick, dubai, uae
I do not know what is more embarrassing:
1. The head of FIA taking part in a 5 hour Nazi-roleplay orgy;
2. People actually "defending" the stupidity, or;
3. Max painting his family and himself as "victims" of the evil press?
Take your pick!
Ronny Peterson, Gothenburg, Sweden
I am kind of impressed that Mosely can speak German... !
Dean, London,
Max Moseley is a disgrace, and an embarassment to F1. He, and he alone is responsible for getting involved in this charade, and he is mistaken if he feels he was setup. If the cap fits, wear it springs to mind.
No, for me, i could possibley accept that what he wants to do in his private life should remain private, but as this has come from Herr Moseley, who in his persuit of Macalren 2007, was so eager to provide "justice", and in doing, he set the bar to which he now should now be measured.
Furthermore, he claims to be receiving pleanty of support, and that he owes it to these people to continue. I would suggest that Max provides a list of these names who he claims support him. My feeling is it wil be avery short one.
Dont forget his "Macclaren put the sport into disrepute" comments last year. He should have the good grace to crawl away, not blight this sport with his arrogance, for we, and it will be all the richer without his hypocrasy.
emanual Smith, Taunton, Somerset
Dear Alfred Samuel Joseph III - if you glance just to the right of your comment you will see all 11 teams listed.
J Guest, London
J Guest, London, UK
67 yaer-old? 5 girls? 5 hours?
He should be awarded the Blue Max, 'Pour le mérite'!
Yves Ferrer, Algoz, Portugal
As drivers get older they are replaced by new young talent, this does not seem to be the case with those in control of F1. While Bernie can justify his position by his record of putting F1 on the world stage I think Max is there for the power and control he has and the fear people have of getting on the wrong side of him. His recent behavior for a man in his position must mean he should go. I wonder how many tears Ron Denis will shed if he goes go! Bye Bye Max
Richard W, London, UK
Delphine,
just for a second imagine that somebody tape you doing stuff no matter if it is "good to God eyes" or not.
Of course you wouldnt mind and probably your job just require to be half sensitive.
It feels good being moraly superior, right?
Edith, rhula,
I'm supprised at the amount of people saying it's just Max's business and nobody elses. Surley his Family get a say?
As for the running of the FIA, people moan and prehaps don't like his autocratic leadership but he has led the FIA well.
This incident does not reflect well on his character, but clearly does not impact his (no pun indended) on the job performance. People, and here I refer to F1 team bosses, should remember that the Bernie and Max team modernised F1 and realised it's huge comercial potential, making them all rich in the process.
Damien McMahon, Grays, UK
For your information? I thought you might like knowing, there are 11 teams on the F1 grid. Does this site ever report on anything remotely related to Formula 1, besides Lewis Hamilton, Ron Dennis, McLaren and Max Mosley? The United Kingdom does not have a monopoly, on F1.
Alfred Samuel Joseph III, Los Angeles, California
looking forward to the newspapers publishing explicit details of their editors sex lifes and sexual fantasies, if possible with photos.
after all, i can't imagine for one second that they wouldn't apply the same standards to themselves that they're using for mosley.
Hugh, London,
Why on Earth would Mosley want to carry on after being caught up in these lurid, grubby and perverted antics? He will become the butt end (excuse the pun) of jokes in the Pit lane for years to come, you can not now take this man seriously, It will in all probability bring some unwelcome attention from certain factions in the crowd at racing events, something that F1 or the advertisers do not need. I would like to see the likes of Fittipaldi or Stewart fill his shoes.
Simon, Torquay, Devon, England
You Brits have Mosley, we have B.Clinton. Enough arrogance!
Surely there are moral people who can get the job done besides these empty suits.
Steve, Texas, USA,
I've seen the video, and if I were Max I'd play the "Nuremburg Defence" on this one ;)
Terry, London,
You go on and on about the FIA. What is the FIA?
Sam Evans, Bristol, UK
To paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke - nobody ever had a sexual fantasy about someone dressed as a liberal. But to judge by some of the posts on here some folks fantasy lives revolve around health and safety inspectors, loss adjusters and Sunday school teachers. Or is that just their real lives they don't have any secret thoughts or fantasies, let alone the gumption and means to act them out. Ah well, who am I to judge. Unlike the aforementioned posters whose sense of moral expediency is more highly developed. Obviously.
Esther, London,
Well clearly this is all the fault of Ron Dennis and his sausage munching cohorts ! Mad Max indeed.
Nick H, Bedford, Englander
WOW. Five hours!
This guy should be in charge of the Le Mans race.
C Coetzee, Paulpietersburg, South Africa
His family have only been indirectly damaged by the newspaper, surely the damage to his family was caused by him visiting prostitutes for perverted sex games. Its delusional to blame anyone else but hinself for the damage to his family.
S. Pots, lisbon, portugal
well, that's all right then - we'll all just believe him and move on shall we? Or maybe his morals are a matter of dismay?
dominic, Teddington, Middlesex, UK
How bizarre to call comments "puritan" just because they do not approve of nazi-sex sessions by a person whose background (which he obvioulsly cannot be held reponsible for) should make him doubly sensitive to particular political/sexual affiliations. I am so tired of the old turgid saying that whatever people do in their bedroom is their own affair. It very clearly is not: A person in charge of race related sports can obviously not be trusted, if his phantasies (and this is where the "private" becomes public) verge towwards degradation and humiliation.
Delphine, Oxford,
Has anyone read 'Amsterdam'? Looks like the Murdoch stable of papers is doing what The Judge did in that novel. That is to say, over-estimating the British public's prudishness and prurience.
Richard , London,
People who dress in leather and enjoy sex are not neccessarily nazis . I am sure Mr Mosley will win his case and that the idiots who run The News of The World will have to pay up . How much cash do they pay out every week to vulture nazi type camera men who look up and down womens skirts ?
Andrew ex pat, Paris , France
Obviously, two of the girls were German speakers, now he's bothered to provide an explanation it all makes.
Thank you Mr. Mosley and may I add that I'm gladdened to hear of you taking such trouble to ensure your prostitutes remain fully aware of what's going on at any particular point in the proceedings.
Anyone scoffing at this explanation should be ashamed, put yourself in the shoes (heels?) of the hookers for a moment and imagine you find yourself in a foreign country without enough of the native language to be able to count to five - very unnerving. Yet Mosley, even whilst pursuing his own sexual gratification, spares a thought for the immigrant. Well done, well done indeed! I feel we can now put this one to bed.
Jonah, UK,
this is certainly a hell of a lot more interesting than Formula 1 has been for the last 10 years
marcus, horndon on the hill,
The game is up. His father was a horrible fraud who stayed in the public eye long after he was disgraced - too.
Tom, London,
SIr
I am not a F1 fan (actually I find it extraordinarily boring) but it is hard not to post a comment after having read various ludicrous puritan comments regarding this affair: what Mr. Mosley does in his private life is his business (these are farcical times if such an obvious fact actually needs to be recalled!) as long as he is not doing anything illegal (wake up call for the medieval crowd out there: prostitution is not a crime) . Rather, people should be deeply shocked by the violent intrusion in his privacy which is enormously more vulgar than paying for sex and contrary to the latter clearly illegal. The fact that only a minority is disgusted by the policy of some tabloids is a an overwhelmingly sad feature of the age we live in. On the other hand, I would love to have some private sex videotapes of these victorian age nostalgic readers and commentators uploaded on youtube and see how they look like while they pant in the bedroom.
Best regards,
R. Sanson
Rick Sanson, Glasgow,
Many "leaders of industry" may very well be perverts; national newspapers just havent' been alerted to the fact. If they were I'm sure they would set up good honest exposes, complete with photos and a blow by blow account - just to protect our moral standards, you understand.
Esther, London,
Mosley has done nothing illegal and nothing to indicate that he is unfit for his job. The matters disclosed, even assuming that the account we have been given is accurate, are matters that should have remained private and the only shame in this case should attach to the newspapers who have instigated and revelled in all this.
Moreover the comments below show that many of the demands for Mosley to resign are based on personal dislikes for unrelated reasons and, if I can use a German word in this context, Schadenfreude, for which the recent turn of events has been a convenient vehicle.
I look forward to hearing Mr Mosley defend himself in court and to those who have caused this unpleasantness explaining why they did it.
D. Preston, London,
Frankly, the problem here is the News of the World, not Mr. Mosley. What he does in private and which language he speaks while doing so is his business and nobody else's.
Chris, London,
Everyone has their kinks.....Everyone.
What he gets up to in his sex life is nothing to do with his work.
This case says more about the UK gutter press and its hypocrisy than anything else.
I wonder what some of those rancid news of the world hacks get up to in the bedroom.....
Toby, London, UK
I don't know why, but all the people who boast about having a high sense of morals and reject anything and anyone that doesn't follow a strict norm happen to be a very poor person inside, full of vices and perversions.
Max, resign!!!! Now you have no moral strenth to make people obey your rules.
erm, svq, spain
It just goes to prove that despite his claims to the contrary as seen in the McLarengate fallout, Max is far from impartial. If he thinks his actions haven't tainted the high gloss professional image of Formula One, then the man is deluding himself.
Ady Stimpson, Nottingham, UK
Mosley would appear to have a major flaw in his character if despite all his money & power he has to pay for women to indulge his perversions.
Lawyers must be laughing all the way to the bank, both at his actions and the fact that he wants to publicise them even more by paying them as well!
Formula 1- what a carry on- you couldn't make it up!
Steve Russell, Maidstone, UK
I do not care what he does in his personal life, BUT when he has preached to others about racism publicly, then he is a hypocrite. He said about the Spanish F1 public some weeks ago when very few insulted Hamilton:
Mosley said he is determined to stamp out racism in formula one.
"If, as appears to be the case, only a very small number of people are involved, it ought to be possible to stop it immediately. If it isn't, then we have sanctions and we could pull the (Spanish) grand prix," he added.
So Mr. Mosley, go quietly as you are a disgrace to the sport. Your double standards are beyond belief and your taste, well, what can I say about your taste? You are a frustrated little man. All of this comment is "allegedly" as we only have what News of the World told us. But he has not denied he was with those prostitutes in an orgy, has he? F1 does not need this. Go!
Dante , London, UK
If there is one trait to this man that has never ceased to
amaze me, it is the boundlessness of his arrogance. He has
'managed' F1 autocratically from his pulpit from the outset
and treated the F1 players with contempt . In a community
where the purists have been more interested in getting on
with racing few have been able to engage with Max the lawyer.
Now because these revelations have been achieved by underhand
means by 'specialists' he actually believes his position is
defensible or that we are all stupid. Or both. He clearly
holds that pomposity is the answer again and a doublespeak
'apology' to the the international clubs, manufacturers and
public is sufficient. "Not my fault sir, NOTW did it".
Doesn't matter a jot, it's out there now. The "Elephant in
the room" comment sums it up beautifully. How does he
expect to eveer be taken seriously again ? But fight on Max
- I have waited 17 years for this and I am loving it.
Ian, Newcastle,
An ''impeccable high-level source close to the UK police and security services''. In Max Mosely 'speak', may I suggest this is probably a hooker, dressed in police uniform with high heel shoes, swinging a pair of handcuffs and of course wearing the obligatory black, seamed stockings and suspenders. More tea Max?
R. P. Dixon., London,
The incredible nerve of the man to stay on. He criticised Ron Dennis for wanting to win too much saying that was not love of the sport. Well Max....if you are so noble and love the sport ,then resigning would be in the best interests of F1 wouldn't it.?
That would prove you love the sport....
Elephant in the room from now on, everywhere he goes. Can you imagine the next FIA board meeting? Cup of tea, Max?
AJPreston, Brisbane QLD, Australia