Patrick Kidd
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The Times makes no apologies for the jingoistic streak running through this week’s Top 50. With England’s rugby team setting off on what appears to be an impossible mission to defend their world crown, with the football team falling to pieces and in danger of missing out on Euro 2008 and with Tim Henman leaving the world stage, we need every reminder we can of those rare occasions when Britain truly ruled the waves, courts or pitches of the world.
As usual, this is a purely subjective list using nothing more scientific than instinct to rate the Top 50. Those near the top of the list are there because, if only for a brief moment, they were the best in the world in their sport; others get on the list for achievement over a long period of time or because of the great rush of patriotic fervour that washed over us when they did well. And it’s not just British sides: English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish teams get their moment in the sun, too. If we have missed any, do let us know.
50) Great Britain tug-of-war team, 1920
Britain have been the reigning Olympic champions for the past 87 years, in part because the sport has not been on the agenda since the Antwerp Games, but the 1920 side sneak on to the list if only because one of their number, Robert Spear, was banned from the final after he was too enthusiastic at tugging and wrenched an opponent’s arm out of its socket. We admire that. Great Britain, represented by the City of London police force, also won gold in 1908.
49) Laura Davies and Alison Nicholas, golf, 1990-2000
The English women were the first to tee off for Europe in their inaugural Solheim Cup against the United States in 1990 and won their first match 2 and 1 against Nancy Lopez and Pat Bradley. Although Europe lost that contest, Nicholas and Davies won both their pairs matches in 1992 (Davies won her singles too) to help Europe to level the series. In 2000, after three US victories, Europe won the cup again with Davies and Nicholas once more winning the opening match.
48) Great Britain boxing team, 1908
One medal away from sporting perfection: the British boxers won 14 of the available 15 medals at the London Olympics with only Reginald Baker, of the Australasia team, spoiling the party by reaching the middleweight final, where he lost to Johnny Douglas, the future England cricket captain. Admittedly, France and Denmark were the only other competing nations.
47) Wales football team, 1958
Eight years before Bobby Moore, another British side wearing red shirts set the World Cup alight. Having qualified for the tournament in Sweden by beating Israel 4-0 in a two-leg play-off, Wales, inspired by John Charles, drew their group matches with Hungary, Mexico and Sweden before beating the Hungarians in a play-off to reach the quarter-finals. There they met Brazil, where a 17-year-old Pele score the only goal, ending Welsh hopes of a semi-final place.
46) Reggie and Laurie Doherty, tennis, 1897-1905
The Victorian era’s version of the Lloyd brothers, only successful. Reggie Doherty won the men’s singles at Wimbledon four times and his younger brother, Laurie, won it fives times, but they also teamed up to win the men’s doubles eight times and claimed the US Open doubles crown twice. They also won gold together at the 1900 Olympics.
45) Northern Ireland football team, 1982
The mighty men of Ulster, with young Norman Whiteside in the team, reached the second round after topping their group with a win over Spain and a draw with Yugoslavia. Despite drawing with Austria in the second group stage, France were too strong for them.
44) England football team, 1990
A World Cup that began slowly for England – they scored only two goals and won one game in the group stage but still came first – ended in frustration at the feet of West Germany in the semi-finals. On paper, England had a fine side with Lineker, Gascoigne, Platt, Shilton and other world-class players but they struggled to the semi-finals, needing extra time to beat Belgium and Cameroon. Still, it was the closest England have come to a World Cup final in the past 40 years.
43) England cricket team, 1928-29
Percy Chapman had an annus mirabilis as England captain in 1928, winning the inaugural Test series against West Indies 3-0 and then taking the team to Australia where the Ashes were retained 4-1. The following summer the captaincy was split between Jack White and Arthur Carr, who kept up the good work in beating South Africa 2-0 in a five-Test series.
42) Ryder Cup team, 1969
After the first four Ryder Cups were shared, the United States had won 12 of the next 13 contests before this thrilling battle at Royal Birkdale. Tony Jacklin was the inspiration, as he would be in the 1980s as captain, winning three and halving one of his four pairs matches before sharing his singles with Jack Nicklaus to ensure that the title was also split. Nicklaus generously conceded Jacklin’s 18-inch putt on the final green.
41) England football team, 1996
Football came home, David Baddiel became a pop star and Terry Venables’s side had the chance to be the first English winners of a leading international competition since the previous time football had come home. After a thrilling 4-1 win over Holland in the group stage, things looked good but lurking in the semi-finals yet again were the Germans and their penalty-taking wizards.
40) Great Britain curling team, 2002
The nation stayed up late, engrossed by the sight of four Scottish women sliding stones over an ice rink at the Salt Lake City Olympics. Rhona Martin, Debbie Knox, Fiona Macdonald and Janice Rankin had to rely on Switzerland beating Germany in the final pool match to keep them in the competition but after beating Canada in the semi-final they were in no mood to return the favour to Switzerland in the final. Martin’s “stone of destiny” won the gold.
39) Darren Clarke and Lee Westwood, 1999-2006
The Ulsterman and the Englishman made their Ryder Cup debuts in 1997 but did not partner each other until the contest in 1999. Mark James’s hunch partly paid off as they won two of their four matches together, but it was at the 2004 contest that the partnership flourished: they beat Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods on the first day and Jay Haas and Chris Di Marco on the second as Europe won by a record margin. Two years later, Clarke and Westwood again paired up for two more wins out of two as well as each winning his singles.
38) Men’s rowing eight, 2000
Steve Redgrave wasn’t the only oarsman to win an Olympic gold in 2000, there were eight others who won on the next day. Britain had lost their heat to Australia, the hosts, but after a repechage they got revenge in the final, beating Australia to the gold by half a second.
37) England rugby team, 1980
Possibly the least feted of England’s grand-slam winning sides, in part because they disintegrated so quickly, but Bill Beaumont’s team were rightly made the BBC’s sports team of the year after winning all four Five Nations matches at the start of the 1980s, including a 9-8 win over 14-man Wales.
36) Tony Nash and Robin Dixon, 1964
A turn at the St Moritz course is named after the British pair who won the two-man bobsleigh at the Innsbruck Winter Olympics. Dixon, a soldier from Northern Ireland who later inherited the title Baron Glentoran, was the brakeman for the English Nash. They won the world title together in St Moritz the next year.
35) Davis Cup, 1933-36
Yes, Britain have not always been hopeless at Davis Cup tennis, they even won it four times in a row in the mid-1930s and are the third-most successful team in the competition’s history with nine wins. Until 1972, however, the defending champions got to the final on a bye, which may explain Britain’s winning streak in the 1930s. Still Fred Perry’s 45-7 and Bunny Austin’s 36-12 winning records are not to be sniffed at.
34) Modern pentathlon team, 1976
Adrian Parker, Danny Nightingale and Jim Fox won the gold at the Montreal Games and became the BBC’s sports team of the year but they had to fight controversy when it turned out that one of their Russian competitors was found to have been using an epee in the fencing category that was electronically rigged to falsify “hits” on his British opponents.
33) Scotland rugby team, 1990
One of the most thrilling conclusions to the Five Nations pitted a strong England against an unfancied Scotland at Murrayfield in the final winner-takes-all fixture. Scotland had shown grit in beating Ireland 13-10 in Dublin and Wales 13-9 in Cardiff, sandwiching a walloping to France, but felt patronised by the English, whose captain Will Carling was not shy about pointing out his team’s superiority. David Sole, the Scotland captain, marched his team out deliberately slowly to build up the tension. Scotland scored two penalty goals but England scored their first try at Murrayfield for ten years to narrow the gap. Tony Stanger’s second-half try plus some stout defending won the day for Scotland, 13-7.
32) Great Britain ice hockey team, 1936
A huge shock as Canada lost their Olympic crown to Britain after being beaten 2-1 in the semi-finals. Britain held on to draw 0-0 with the United States in their final match of the four-team medal round to win the gold. Although most of the British team had played in Canada, only one was born there.
31) England rugby team, 1991
It was almost a perfect year. Will Carling’s side made up for disappointment in Murrayfield the previous year by winning the grand slam, beating France 21-19 in the deciding match, then went into the World Cup with high hopes. Despite losing to New Zealand in their opening match, England beat France and Scotland – another thriller in Edinburgh – to reach the final against Australia, where Tony Daley’s try and David Campese’s deliberate knock-on spoilt the party.
30) Three-day eventing team, 1972
Richard Meade won the individual gold medal – the only British winner until Leslie Law in 2004 – and was part of the four-man Britain team with Mark Phillips, Mary Gordon-Watson and Bridget Parker who won the team gold. Gordon-Watson’s horse, Cornishman V, would later have a starring role in the film International Velvet.
29) Ryder Cup team, 1957
Great Britain & Ireland won the Ryder Cup for the first time in 24 years at Lindrick under the captaincy of Dai Rees. After his side lost the foursomes 3-1, Rees left Max Faulkner, the 1951 Open champion, out of the singles; Peter Mills, Faulkner’s replacement, was one of six Britons to win on the final day, beating Jack Burke, who had won the Masters and USPGA the previous year.
28) Wales rugby team, 2005
Mike Ruddock’s side won Wales’s first grand slam for 28 years in style, beating England 11-9 with a late Gavin Henson penalty from long range, then coming back from 15-6 down to beat France in Paris thanks to inspiration from Martyn Williams. The other three games were won with ease, but Wales made the mistake of forcing Ruddock out a year later.
27) The Searle brothers, 1992
Jonny and Greg Searle, the brothers from Hampton School, won the now defunct coxed pairs gold medal at the Barcelona Olympics by more than a second from Italy’s fancied Abbagnale brothers. Famously, Garry Herbert, their cox, broke down in tears on the winners’ podium as the anthem was played.
26) Scotland rugby team, 1983-84
It had been a long time in coming but Scotland won their second grand slam in 1984, just 59 years after their first. They had given indication of their strength the previous autumn by holding the All Blacks to a 25-25 draw at Murrayfield – a missed conversion cost them the win. A 32-9 win over Ireland was their biggest margin, but with France also unbeaten by the final game it was the 21-12 victory in Edinburgh that mattered most.
25) Nick Faldo and Ian Woosnam, 1987-89
The Englishman and the Welshman had already played two Ryder Cups together when they were first tried as a pairing by Tony Jacklin in 1987. They were an instant success, winning three and halving one of their four matches (although each lost his singles) as Europe won on American soil for the first time. At the Belfry two years later they picked up two and a half more points together as Europe retained the cup.
24) Men’s 4x400 metres relay team, 1991
In an otherwise disappointing world athletics championships for Great Britain in Tokyo, the men’s four-lap relay team claimed a belated second gold for the nation to go with Liz McColgan’s 10,000 metres medal. Roger Black, Kriss Akabusi, Derek Redmond and John Regis won by four-hundredths of a second from the United States.
23) England cricket team, 1981
“Botham’s Ashes” may not have been won against the strongest Australia side to come to England, but the series cannot be beaten for drama. The elements are so familiar: the deposed captain back in the ranks, England on the rack at Headingley, “oompty” from Beefy and Dilley, Willis bowling down the hill, five wickets for one run at Edgbaston and Botham on the route to first knighthood and possibly sainthood.
22) England rugby team, 1910-24
The opening of Twickenham as England’s international home in 1910 and the birth of the Five Nations the same year proved a boost to the nation’s fortunes. Having not won the Home Nations championship since 1892, England won eight of the first ten Five Nations titles (sharing it once with Ireland and once with Scotland and Wales) and, with Wavell Wakefield their talisman in the back row, performed the grand slam on five occasions.
21) Great Britain rugby league team, 1972
The only time Australia have not won rugby league’s World Cup in the past 40 years was in 1972. The competition involved only Britain, Australia, France and New Zealand and after beating the champions 27-21 in Perpignan, Britain came top of a round-robin group and met Australia in the final in Lyons for the title. That win in Perpignan was crucial as the final finished 10-10 and the scores were level even after 20 minutes’ extra time, meaning that the trophy was presented to Great Britain as the best qualifier from the group.
20) Great Britain sailing team, 2000
Great Britain are the most successful nation in Olympic sailing events and the Sydney Olympics was their best Games, bar the 1900 and 1908 Olympics when there were few competitors. In the waters off Sydney, Ian Percy won the Finn class, Ben Ainslie the Laser and Shirley Robertson the Europe. There were silvers in the 49er and Star classes for Britain as well.
19) England cricket team, 1932-33
Boo, hiss, drat those perfidious Englishmen and their villainous tactics. Yes, this was Bodyline, the series that proved it is not only Poms who whinge. Regardless of the rights and wrongs, it worked. “I’ve not travelled 6,000 miles to make friends, I’m here to win the Ashes,” said England’s captain, Douglas Jardine. And he did: 4-1, with the blessed Don Bradman averaging only 57.
18) The 1997 Lions
The first rugby tour by the British and Irish Lions to South Africa after the end of apartheid was expected to be hard-fought. South Africa had, after all, won the World Cup two years earlier. The Lions, surprisingly captained by Martin Johnson, lost one match before the internationals but ran out 25-16 winners in Cape Town with tries from Matt Dawson and Alan Tait. The Springboks hit back in Durban, scoring three tries, yet the Lions won the match and series with composure, Neil Jenkins scoring five penalty goals and the unlikely figure of Jeremy Guscott dropping the winning goal. The thrashing in the third international was irrelevant.
17) Great Britain hockey team, 1988
Hardly a surprise as Britain were seeded second and had reached the World Cup final two years earlier, but Sean Kerly and Imran Sherwani’s goals against West Germany sparked one of those moments to remember. The team were met by cheering hordes at Heathrow. As Barry Davies memorably said in his commentary after the third goal: "Where were the Germans? Frankly, who cares?"
16) Great Britain athletics team, 1980
A string of gold medals by a narrow margin marked a successful Games for Britain’s athletes, although the lack of American athletes should be taken into consideration. Allan Wells won the 100 metres, Steve Ovett the 800 metres, Sebastian Coe the 1500 metres and Daley Thompson the decathlon. Wells and Coe also won silvers and Ovett, Gary Oakes and both women’s relay teams won bronze.
15) Wales rugby team, 1978
The last grand slam success for Wales until 2005. A golden generation was coming to its end. Gareth Edwards won his 50th cap in a 9-6 win over England; Scotland were brushed aside 22-14 (Edwards scoring his 20th and final try for Wales); Ireland went down 20-16 and then Wales came back from 7-0 to beat France 16-7. Edwards and Phil Bennett retired after the match.
14) Men’s 4x100 metres relay team, 2004
Kelly Holmes won two golds but the rest of the Britain athletics team in the Athens Olympics mustered only one bronze between them until the sprint relay side claimed a belated third gold. Jason Gardener, Marlon Devonish, Mark Lewis-Francis and Darren Campbell took advantage of poor baton changes by the United States, the favourites, to win by 0.01sec, Lewis-Francis pipping the vastly more experienced Maurice Greene to the line.
13) Coxless four, 2000
Steve Redgrave’s final Olympics ended in glory – again – with a narrow win over Italy. Redgrave, Matthew Pinsent, Tim Foster and James Cracknell fought through pain and illness (Foster had back surgery and severed tendons in a hand, Redgrave had diabetes) and instantly disbanded after the Games.
12) Great Britain athletics team, 1993
After a disappointing world championships in 1991, Britain had a much more satisfying haul in Stuttgart two years later. Linford Christie won the 100 metres in 9.87sec, Colin Jackson won the 110 metres hurdles in a world record 12.91sec and Sally Gunnell won the 400 metres hurdles in another world record time. There were also three silvers and four bronzes.
11) Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean, 1984
Da-da-da-daaaaah, da-de-dada-dade-da-da-da-daaah. Purple outfits turned into gold medals as T&D spun and flipped their way through Bolero and into the nation’s hearts with a string of perfect sixes in Sarajevo. Ten years later, they tried again, but could come only third in Lillehammer.
10) Graham Hill/BRM v Jim Clark/Lotus, 1962-65
A good ding-dong battle in Formula One for four years between two British drivers in British cars. Hill won four grands prix to Clark’s three in 1962 to win the championship, but the next year Clark won seven to Hill’s three with only John Surtees, another British driver in a Ferrari, winning another grand prix. Surtees won the crown in 1964 by one point from Hill and eight from Clark, before Clark had another golden season in 1965, winning six of the first seven grands prix to take the crown.
9) Steve Redgrave and Matthew Pinsent, 1990-96
The comprehensive boy from the university of life was partnered with the Etonian Oxford Blue to become the greatest team on water since Ratty asked Mole if he wanted to mess about on a boat. Four gold medals in world championships and two in Olympic Games tell only part of the tale about how dominant they were.
8) Wales rugby team, 1971
Wales used only 16 players in winning the first of three grand slams in the 1970s. Gerald Davies was the star, scoring two tries in an easy win over England and another one against Scotland to set up a tense 19-18 win. Ireland were brushed aside before JPR Williams sprinted 70 yards to score a try against France that sealed the title.
7) The 1971 Lions
Number 8 effortlessly leads into this marvellous team as Wales supplied the bulk of the victorious British Isles side, the only Lions team to beat the All Blacks. Despite losing their first fixture on tour to Queensland, the Lions grew in confidence and won the first international 9-3. New Zealand fought back, scoring five tries in an easy win in the second, but the Lions were not bowed. In Wellington, they won by two tries to nil and with only a draw needed in the fourth match they got precisely that, 14-14, thanks to JPR Williams’s dropped goal from 45 yards.
6) England cricket team, 2004-05
The journey that ended at the Brit Oval with the Ashes being regained for the first time in 18 years began in the Caribbean in 2004 when Michael Vaughan’s side discovered a fearsome edge to their bowling – particularly from Stephen Harmison – and won 3-0. Whitewashes of New Zealand and West Indies (at home) followed and then they showed character to rally in South Africa and win there. In all, Vaughan’s side, which was enhanced in 2005 by the arrival of Kevin Pietersen, won 16 Tests out of 23, losing only two.
5) England football team, 1966
Yes, you read that correctly. Fifth place. Call me perverted but although 1966 and all that was a wonderful moment was it really the best sporting performance by a British team? Were they the best side on the planet in their sport at the moment they won the World Cup? I’d suggest that the next four sides were better. And we did have the advantage of playing at home. Despite that, though, what a marvellous achievement, especially given the paucity of success the England team has had since.
4) The 1974 Lions
The 1971 side broke the mould by beating the All Blacks, but the team who toured South Africa three years later were arguably stronger. They were certainly more successful, winning 21 and drawing one of their 22 matches on tour. The international series was noted for violence on the pitch, with Willie John McBride, the Lions captain, urging his team to “get their retaliation in first” against the “blatant thuggery” of their opponents. There was also the “99” call, at which everyone should bundle into a fight, on the grounds that a referee would never send off the entire side.
3) Coxless four, 2004
This may provide a shock, but I place Matthew Pinsent’s four in Athens ahead of Bobby Charlton and Co for the drama of the gold-medal final and the fact that the team, which came together only in 2003, had to be rebuilt at very short notice after Alex Partridge punctured a lung. Pinsent, James Cracknell, Ed Coode and Steve Williams swapped the lead with Canada in the final with almost every stroke but dug deep to find a finishing spurt to win by eight-hundredths of a second. Pinsent wept on the podium and the nation wept with him.
2) England cricket team, 1951-58
Consider these names: Hutton, Washbrook, Edrich, Simpson, May, Cowdrey, Compton, Graveney, Bailey, Evans, Bedser, Laker, Lock, Trueman, Tyson, Statham. These men, and others, provided the greatest period of cricketing success in English history. Between beating New Zealand away in 1951 and beating them at home seven years later, England won ten series and drew four, losing none. They won the Ashes three times (twice at home, once away) and won half the Tests they played.
1) England rugby team, 2003
Jonny and the boys were the best rugby team in the world four years ago, although they often had to grind out results in the World Cup itself. At last Clive Woodward’s side didn’t choke with the Six Nations grand slam on offer, walloping Ireland in Dublin in the deciding match before heading on a tour Down Under where they beat New Zealand with 13 men and put three tries past Australia. Deservedly the favourites in the World Cup, they wobbled at times but someone kept on popping up to put things right (Greenwood against South Africa; Balshaw against Samoa; Catt against Wales and Wilkinson against France).
The final moments of the final are seared on the brain: lineout 30 yards out; Thompson throws to the back; Catt runs through; Dawson bursts out of a ruck to gain 15 yards; Johnson drives the ball on again and then back it comes to Wilkinson for the sweetest of dropped goals.
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What about the great britain rugby league team in the 'rorke's drift' test of 1914? With ten minutes left they were down to 10 men, including douglas clark who had a broken thumb and broken collar bone. And they held on to win 14-6 to win the ashes.
Andrew, Nottingham,
What a load of mince, just make it all English instead
gary murphy, Glasgow,
McLaren International, a British team, won all but one GP in 1989, and even the one they lost, Senna had to be crashed into to allow Ferrari to win. I know they had foreign drivers, but the team supplied them with one of the greatest cars ever to grace the circuits. It totally dominated GP racing in a way that has not approached, let alone equaled, since.
Derek Smith, Brighton, UK
Your references to Great Britain and IRELAND Ryder Cup victories and British and IRISH Lions successes should surely rule out these particular "British" successes seeing as they owe more than their fair share to the input of your near neighbours from over the water?
Michael, Cork, Ireland
I may well be repeating the words of others, but I feel this list to be a load of utter nonsense, what about the acheivements of Clough at Nottingham Forest, or Glasgow Celtic being the first "British" club to lift the European Cup, sticking it to our neighbours who used to look down their noses at our apparently inferior football.
And is it just me, or is there a heck of a lot of rowing near the top of the list. In my opinion, people only bother with rowing one day a year, at best, or when the Olympics come round. We don't hear of it at any other time, probably for a good reason I would say.
David Beirne, Glasgow,
The list is dominated by Rugby achievements, notably English rugby sides. I have read the original Times article from May 1967. Celtic are the first "British" club to lift the European Cup. With a unique achievement of winning it with a team of locals, they also opened the floodgates as the first non-latin side to lift the cup. The Times recognised it as a British success 40 years ago. As for Scotland v England that year. Denis Law said at half time - let's annhilate them. Jim Baxter replied "Nah, lets just take the p*ss". And they did. Looking at all sports here (and I believe this is why this poll was compiled), it's ignored not only Celtic's achievement but the great English sides of the 70's, specifically Liverpool. It ignores the 'Chariots of Fire' success in the 1924 Olympics, Roger Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile barrier in the 50's, Ricky Hatton beating the much fancied Kostya Tyszu for the world title, it ignores anything outside rugby really!!
Paul Mc, London,
haha the england rugby team won two games of note. and is the best? Not even in the top 50
Keith, London,
What a ridiculous list. Normally I like a list, but this one is nonsense!
Under what system of classification can all those failed attempts at world cups/euro championships be considered great, but Celtic's achievement in '67, or the dominance of English clubs in Europe in the 70s/80s don't make the cut? Just because the jumper they wore was white/red/blue/green? Nonsense.
Maybe it's time to put this list thing to bed for a while...
Martin, London,
You missed out major Wimbledon tennis victories by Fred Perry 3 times in a row which was not bettered until Borg in 1979. And Ann Jones in 1969 and Virginia Wade in 1977 where she beat the world no.1 Chris Evert in the semi-finals. I find your list very rugby, cricket centric. I would place Torvill and Dean and Seb Coe's Olympic Gold and world record beating runs way inside the top 10. Those remain indelibly fixed in my memory along with Virginia Wade.
Sue Kelly, Metairie, Louisiana USA
I'm not a motorsport follower in a big way, but surely Britain has had some very notable achievements in this area - suggestions anyone?!
Richard , Glasgow,
What do you mean "national teams only" Jimmy Hill versus Jim Clark?? What team were they on
Typical myopic English bias.
Glasgow Celtic 1967 omitted - says it all really. No wonder we hate you.
Alastair, Aberdeen, Scotland (look it up)
Lisbon Lions - Simpson, Craig and Gemmill, Murdoch, McNeill and Clark, Johnstone, Chalmers , Wallace, Auld and Lennox . Quite simply the greatest acheivement by a Scottish (Brittish if the UK media deem worthy). Not enen mentioned therefore list is irrelevant .
Oliver J Penman, Glasgow, Scotland
Shame you didn't see fit to recognise the British rifle team that has just come back from winning the Word Championship in Canada, shooting at 700m, 800m and 900m ranges. The match dates back to 1876, is held every four years, and has been won by Great Britain on 4 of the last 5 occasions. They are constantly setting new standards and, this time, had to hold off South African and Australian teams who also managed to break the world record. Guess it's not PC for British teams who are the best in their sports to get any recognition...
Matt, London,
Number one: Rugby Union? Best in the world- arguably- out of... ooh, at least eight countries that play? Cricket- much the same? Rowing??? Ice dancing????? Disappointed not to see croquet or bowls included- do we have a marbles team? Conkers?
Mark, Swadlincote,
the celtic european cup winning team of 1967(or thereabouts ) deserves a high placed mention not only for being the first british team to win the competition but (in a never to be repeated) more significantly the team consisted of 10 scots born witin spitting distance of the ground and another scot born about 30 miles away! by the way i'm an english west brom fan with rangers connections so i cannot be biased
j loddens, birmingham,
You have omitted perhaps the greatest Scotland football team of all time: the one that beat the newly crowned world champions, England, at Wembley in 1967, making us - in our eyes of course - unofficial World Champions. I recently saw the game on DVD and it was a truly grate match, with an abundance of talent on both sides - Ball, Charlton, Law and Baxter - played at a ferocious pace, both teams committed to attacking, open play. A truly great British sporting occasion. Neither Scotland or England now have many players who would have even made the subs bench back then. The Scottish team was made up of many Celtic and Rangers players of course, and the next year Celtic would go on to life the European Cup and Rangers to be beaten finalists in the old Cup-winners Cup. a golden age of Scottish football...
Douglas, Madrid, Spain
still I maintain that the WAG team belonging to the 2006 football-WorldCup players must be included, probably on the podium.
Csire balazs, Budapest, Hungary
Rather a few Celts getting their knickers in a twist , here. I fully agree with the number one selection: England throughout 2003 were awesome, and far from the one-man-team those wannabe detractors try to portray. The build up to the winning drop-goal was the most sensational piece of rugby perfection you could see and the whole team was involved. For that alone they deserve to win.
Gavin Morgan, Dublin, Ireland
Mr.Kidd, initially I was with Big wullie, I thought your list would contain club teams. I also understand your thread and believe you neglect the Scottish world cup team of 1978. The infamaous "Allieis army" may have had poor results but in my opinion, it was a great side let down by poor management. Dont forget they were one goal away from qualifying aginst the eventual runners up, Holland. Lions led by a donkey
Peter Turner, Coventry, United Kingdom
HJ from Reading - you are quite right, I should have praised the cox as well as the eight rowers
Andimc - the Italia 90 side were better but the Euro 96 side played better, in my opinion
Breiffni White - I disagree. I concede England did not play their best rugby in the World Cup but give them the award for the way they played all year. Winning a grand slam, a World Cup and beating New Zealand and Australia away is no fluke.
Gordon from Glasgow - as I thought was made clear, these are national teams not club sides. No Celtic, no Busby Babes, no Liverpool and no Yorkshire cricket team, great though they were.
Patrick Kidd, London,
CELTIC... oh sorry they weren't english.
dachaidh, rhu, scotland
How can you omit the Glasgow Celtic European Cup winning side of 1967? Your list is complete nonsense and about as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle!
Tony, Largs, Scotland
BIg Wullie, like a few other Scots you have missed the point: this is not about great clubs but about British teams. Maybe Scots see their club football sides as reflecting the nation but that is why Celtic are not in.
Andrew Taylor, saying the England rugby team in 2003 were a one-man team is like saying New Zealand this year are just Dan Carter and 14 others or that the Welsh 1970s sides relied on Gareth Edwards! Johnson, Dallaglio, Hill, Robinson and Vickery would all be in a "best of the world XV" side in 2003, with Cohen, Lewsey, Dawson and Greenwood not far behind.
Patrick Kidd, London,
What a joke! 11 Scotsmen who where all born within 35 miles of Celtic Park lift the European Cup in 1967. The first British side to do so. And they are not on your list. Quite pathetic. Not English enough and not middle class enough. England Rugby Team 2003 are your No. 1. Says it all!
Dee McEvoy, Lurgan , Armagh
To A Pedant - you are quite right to correct my grammar. It should have read "Despite Northern Ireland drawing with Austria, France were too strong for them" or perhaps even "Despite etc, Northern Ireland were well beaten by France". Glad that your eagle eyes were drawn straight to a rare infelicity in more than 4,000 words of text.
Patrick Kidd, London,
I'm sorry, but the England Rugby team of 2003 is no where near the class of the Welsh team of the 70's. They arer not even in the same league!
Patrick, how can a team which depended on ONE player be better than a team which had complete class!
Andrew Taylor, Brno, Czech Republic
As I went further and further down the list I thought maybe Celtic are No1 for their fantastic effort in Lisbon against the mighty Inter. But no - not even on the list. And what about their 9 in a row as champions, followed by Rangers some time later. And Baxter's humiliation of the World Champions at Wembley in 1967!
The Times does Scottish football a great disservice here. We may not be a great footballing power but we have had our moments.
Not one football club team on the list either!
BigWullie, Glasgow,
I agree with No 1 and I'm not even English. You can just see the football fraternity geeting their knickers in a knot over this.
Sure, Rugby/Cricket are only played by a few countries but there are only four or five in each respective sport who actually have a chance of winning a World Cup. There are of course more countries who play Football, but there are also only a handful of countries who will or can win it each time, the others are there mostly as tokens, and therefore winning it requires pretty much the same amount of effort as Rugy/Cricket. Beat the minnows and make sure you make the final stages.
KBS, London, England
Glad this article is titled "greatest" and not "great".
England would have some difficulty in finding more than a handful of great teams.
Duddles, Sydney, Australia
England 2003 World Cup winning team - undisputedly the finest of teams. That was 9 years of extremely hard grind to get to that point. And for once we didnt croke at the last minute.
Glorious game, glorious team!
Max, London,
Gordon in Glasgow, you will notice these are all national sides, not club sides...
Colin, London,
45 "Despite drawing with Austria in the second group stage, France were too strong for them."
France beat Austria. Why can't journalists write properly these days?
A. Pedant, Moscow,
Where's the 2006 St Helens Rugby League team?
Gaz, Ormskirk,
How can you have Graham Hill/Jim Clark in your list without mentioning Jackie Stewart? As for naming the rugby team no.1 that is utter rubbish as the rugby world cup is only played for by a few nations as is cricket while the Olympics is truly completed on a worldwide basis.
George, Glasgow, UK
Even supporters of Rangers will be wondering why the Celtic team full of locals that won the European Cup in 1967 is not included on your list
Gordon, Glasgow,
Well if you're going to put the 1966 team at no. 5 on the basis that they werent actually the best team in their sport at that moment in time then I would seriously question your placing of the England rugby of 2003 at no 1 as they certainly were not the best rugby team at the time. True, they had the best goal-kicker, but they certainly did not play the best rugby at that time and were not the best team. Being controversial for the sake of being controversial just makes a mockery of the whole thing.
Breiffni White, London, UK
I'm surprised you could come up with 50
stevo, sydney, Australia
No. 38 Men's rowing eight.
Of course, there are nine people, including the cox, in an eight.
Their performance in the Olympic final was, quite simply, the most inspiring sporting performance I have ever seen. It was a great technical row but, more than this, it showed an incredible commitment and belief that they could and would win.
The way that they got in front and, when they should have been suffering for it, they pushed and then pushed again to kill off the competition and they way they held off the final charge of the other crews was just incredible.
HJ, Reading, UK
How can the England Football team of '96 be better than the '90 side?
Absolute rubbish!
Andimc, South Yorkshire, UK
What is it with these lists? Nothing much to write about perhaps?
jas, gifu,