What Jane is saying is merely from her reading from 2 english newspapers - China Daily & Shanghai Daily and not the local chinese newspapers ? So how can she said the chinese media is sending conflicting messages....clearly the english newspapers are not the standard news that local chinese reads. Those are the papers most foreigners read. It is completely different and of course it is a bit biased.

One should read the local news and find out what have been said. Today with internet, the chinese are not so naive or easily swayed.....

It is very dangerous for us all to get into this type of argument and debates. I have never seen such a constrasting and heated argument between the east and the west. Most of us rely on some sloppy news editing to make judgement on what really had happened in Tibet.

Just read the local internet exchanges on the impression the youth in China has of the west. One cannot imagine the proportion of anger and frustration they have with the west

d. kean, hong kong, hong kong

Dale, Australia,

You never get it, do you? Tibet was, is and will remain a part of China. What ever you and I say will not change this.

Do you know why some of the monks (those overseas and some of the misleds in Tibet) still remain loyal to the Dalai Lama? You don't?

These monks remain brainwashed. The first thing Monks learned was always be loyal to their root teacher and never turn their backs on the root teacher. And they vowed to this tenet. Who is the root teacher? The Dalai Lama of course.

Right or wrong, it is a matter of no return as far as loyalty to the Dalai Lama is concerned. Is the Dalai Lama all angel? Does he really want Tibet back for Tibetans? Or he just wants back his throne and his serfs?

In my view China has huge problems of its own even without the West meddling. So why must it meddle in Sudan. Unlike the West China respects other people's sovereignty.

I am confused. Problematic world. Thanks no thanks to the West.

Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia

Law first, religion will exists and finds its own way naturally in a stable nation. Personal worship has gone much beyond pure religion, beyond the real meaning of liberation of people. What is a true religion? It's a means to cultivate one's personality, one's world view, one's methodology to the end of kid-gloved,pure unselfish, and therefore tolerant, tranquil, not-inclined to arguing state. Do you, my western friends, really think the behaviors of the people in surporting Dala Lama obey their doctrine?

Guowen, Jinan, China

The rough manner of trying to snatch the Olympic Sacred Flame from the girl -JinJing who is a disabled person on the wheelchair- is a minor copy of the misdeeds happened in Tibet. Both were done by those persons who wanted to 'free' Tibet while they bear such crude rough behavior themselves. If Tibet will be governed by them, Alas!My poor Tibet folks!
----- A person trys to keep unaligned during these hurly-burly

Guowen, Jinan, China

Jing Jin – the disabled Chinese girl was attacked by Tibet splittists – this is a FACT. Just like British media reported the story about its people - Konnie Hug again and again. Selectively reporting and taking pictures in order to libel China, is that indeed the human rights you are talking about?

“If Tibet is part of China, why is it not included in great wall of China. “ This is the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever heard. People who really know NOTHING about China could have such outrage against the country and its people, I doubt who are indeed brainwashed, who are indeed provoked by media?

You think you are great peace protector and have the so-called human rights to put any irresponsible arguments about other country and to hurt its people? We only see the despicable political purposes and poor economic fears and jealousy hiding behind.

Zhai, Shanghai,

I am so ashamed of my country for it's treatment towards tibetan monks.How can they kill monk?I love my country but killing and suppressing people is nothing to be proud of.Tibetans are very different from us chinese and i think we should give them atleast autonomy.by the way, i am tired of communism in china.i wish for my country to be democratic with lots of rights and freedom.

jiang lim tang, new york city, united state

Global outrage of China's human rights issues against Tibet is only right and just.

The Chinese people who feel nothing but pride for their country should maybe try to stage a protest about something (anything) that they are unhappy about regarding their government. And if they say that there is nothing to be unhappy about, then they are truly brainwashed.

I really do not need to know the history of China to know that what I am seeing now is atricious and disgusting. Nothing gives China the right to treat others in this way and nothing gives China the right to kill for cleansing purposes.

Everybody knows that China has not signed up to the human rights act and everyone knows that they China an appaling human rights record (just look at how they treat their animals too!) but we didn't have to deal with it because we didn't have to deal with them. However, now we do. This is an opportuntiy to show the world they have compassion and humanity. Will they take it though?

kim, london,

As long as its christian in tibet they will be supported by white and its would not be called cultural genocide like what your so called australia did the aborigine population or what left of it.

sabah, sabah, sabah

During the past two centuries,for most of time China was in turbulence and experienced huge humiliation from outsiders.While as China can produce man and woman like Jin Jing,our country could overcome whatever obstacles it faces.

Zhang Rongde, Xiamen, China

I love my homeland. I don't allow other person to hurt it. If you havn't go to China, you have no right to judge it. First, find a book to read the history of China, then talk about it.

Niu shaobo, Changzhi, China

Mic, LA.... you need to go and see for yourself, this Michael Parenti, whoever he is, is seriously misrepresenting events and facts.... too numerous to list. But I'll just point out one small event that occured while I was there that recieved no mention in this fatuous article... the Panchant Lama is I believe the 2.I.C to the Dalai Lama and his re-incarnation was announced as a young child under 10, if I remember correctly, the Chinese disappeared the kid (never seen since) and replaced him with their puppet child. Although everyone knew what had happened there were still forced "celebrations". I was there. I am not religious however I think this sort of tampering with anothers religion as well as their freedom is insidious and basically evil.
The Chinese are welcome to China, but the kingdom of Tibet and their questionable conduct with regards to Dafur amongst others deserves international condemnation now.

Dale, Australia,

I am currently in Dharamsala, India, and tonight saw a peaceful candlelit vigil for all those killed and injured in the current crisis in Tibet. Despite graphic photos of shot and killed Tibetans posted on banners, the Tibetans did not talk about revenge or hatred - they prayed for all. 'May the great compassionate mind not yet born arise and grow, may that already arisen not diminish but increase for every more' is my bad translation of their constantly repeated prayer. Tibet, despite what Chinese authorities like to deny, is actually a source of great compassion and wisdom - ready to share for those willing to listen. Prejudice is what keeps people from listening. As someone who works with Aboriginal Australians, I can tell all Chinese supporters that if China refuses to work with Tibet now, it will pay the social consequences of a marginalised and disadvantaged minority for decades to come. The time is ripe to work with the Dalai Lama.

Phil, Sydney, Australia

WHY did america accept tibet part of china ???
Only grudgingly - This was a mistake - only because of stablity - nuclear threats from Ussr - to end the cold war ( they did the same thing with Taiwan - also a mistake ) It only encourages you to continue bullying and appropriating others (like hitler and stalin) Mao killed many of your OWN people - and we still remember the dead KIDS at tienammen square .... we need a democratic revolution !!!!!

paul, aus,

I thought the 1. 3 b Chinese people can defend their own rights but now instead of supporting Tibetans who had the determination and self-respect to fight for their own rights and for Chinese people for the long run against basic human rights abuse and massacre by the so called "Motherland"( Communist Party/ CCP). The concept of "Motherland" is dead and out dated. CCP stands for “By the CCP, Of the CCP and Against the people”. I can’t understand how 1.3 b Chinese can be brain washed by the CCP and let their own fellow citizen suffer under a one party system that is interested in saving their power only.

Tsultrim Wangchuk, New York, NY

Fed up of hearing about this stupid torch. I'll be glad when the Olympics are over.

Mick, London, England

There is definately lots of other nations who are still not free but none are dehumanized and tortured the way China does to Tibet.Tibetans are peaceful people but it is stupid and ignorant to push their patience to the limit.Give people their basici human right and then you can play game and run with your torch from city to city 24/7-the whole of China can run with a torch, we won't say a thing.There is global outrage because of tremendous human rights violation in Tibet and Chinese people should try to understand this issue.peace...

tenzin, new york city, united state

There are about 200 countries and about 2000 nations in the world. Why “Free Tibet”? Why not “Free Kurdistan”? Did Kurds agree to live in 3 or 4 different countries? Somebody asked them? Are they not oppressed? Why not “Free Corsica”? Can you explain me a principle of whom we have to liberate?

Alex, Riga,

To Keti, Seattle, USA:
Your statement shows clearly that you do not know the location of the Great Wall or Tibet. For your information the Great Wall of China is located to the north and Tibet is in the south west. So technically you can say that Tibet is "included in the great wall of china".
Learn more, don't just jump on the bandwagon.

Heidi, Sydney, Australia

The US belongs to the native red indians.

Long Live Jin Jing. You are a hero for all chinese in the world.
Jin Jing has now more power than the Dalai Lama.

Brad Lo, Mauritius,

The Chinese government has no alternative but to stir up nationalist feeling to defend their actions in Tibet, not to mention their attacks against Falun Gong and supporters of democracy in China. They know communism is a sham so they are grasping at straws to try and defend the legitimacy of their government. The sooner the Chinese people get rid of these jokers the better off they and the rest of the world will be.

David Lea-Smith, Edinburgh, U.K.

Arn't you guys in china banned from reading this article?
Better be careful...or someone's gonna come knocking...

Jason, Barrow, UK

Historically China is amazing, very advanced in every way. We are raw beginners in comparison, literacy gunpowder medicines, you name it they've been onto it thousands of years before Western Culture(is that an oxymoron?) which no matter how you look at it is crude in comparison. The one thing the history of China does not contain is compassion. Keep up the pressure, as humans the Chinese crave acceptance.

Helen, Albany, W.A

It's really interesting to hear from the people yelling that Chinese government will collapse soon. Actually, it depends on the public living in China but not those living overseas to make such kind of decision. If they do want to drag the Communist party off the political stage in China, they'd better persuade the Chinese people first. Protesting Beijing Olympic or even wanting to stop Olympic torch from being relayed is quite a ridiculous action which apparently will not facilitate the collapse but strengthen the Chinese emotion as an independent country against any western pressure.

Lucia, Newcastle, Australia

Why is it that so many americans are ignornat of the world outside the fact is most countries including the US have recognised Tibet as part of China since the 1940's notwithstanding there are genuine issues yadda yadda

Phil, Melbourne, Australia

If Tibet is part of China, why is it not included in great wall of China. Chinese people, stop telling lies.

Keti, Seattle, USA

paul aus,

Tibet belongs to China. Even Dalai Lama accepted Tibet is a part of China --- full stop! Check the world maps published by UK, USA and China. If you love Dalai Lama, as you said, listen to what he says, and thinking logically.

ML, Melb,

Fangzhou, Verdun,

Dont worry, CCP will not collapse. Even in a fair general election, CCP will win pverwhelmingly. Why you reason out that ignorant conclusion? Because you failed to realize one obvious fact: CCP is not communist any more.

h gao, Beijing,

GIVE IT BACK ... China INVADED Tibet - after CENTURIES of tibetan rule. You cannot PROVE tibet was part of china - only temporary overlords and subjugators - Tibet was off limits for many centuries - surrounded by huge mountains - it was called the hidden kingdom - with only a FEW visitors (mainly buddhist scholars) . Its only because of its uranium/oil/gas and other minerals that you even care - and you fear all the various states who also want independence as occured in russia - freedom is what you fear - People will only stop critisism WHEN you respect human rights....we love the dalai lama

paul, aus,

I agree with you,zhang.

Hanyu, CHINA, Jinan

I'm a Chinese Canadian and grew up in Canada. I used to admire the Tibetans for their peaceful protests and used to sympathize with their cause. We all know the Chinese government can be brutal -- even towards their own people. But the protesters recent actions against the Olympic torch relay has turned me, my friends, and family against them. Their protests not only attack the government but it also attacks people of Chinese descent living abroad -- many of whom used to support the Tibetan cause.

G, Toronto, Canada

Nope, we did not lose; the Chinese regime is stronger because of these Olympic protestors. Imagine the audience in China, who do you think they root for, the protestors or the torch bearers? The Chinese public is now firmly behind their government. Even if the CCP collapses, and a democratic government comes into power, who do you think will be elected?

WZ, Charlotte,

You did lose, Chinese regime supporters. The day of reckoning isn't far, for the Chinese Communist Party surely will collapse. Protagonists will pay for all their crimes against humanity, while supporters will bury theirs heads in shame.

Fangzhou, Verdun,

You westerners who want to separate our country won't make it at last,because there're the billions of supporters to support our goverment,our Chinese goverment!!You will find that no one can separate our country in the histroy as well as you.We despise your named "freedom" and "democracy",because it's just the tool you use to separate our country.

Zhang, Xi'an, China

For the truth about Dali Lama and the old Tibet regime, please read articles by Michael Parenti.
Michael Parenti is a Yale Phd in political science.
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Mic, LA,

You did lose, Chinese regime supporters. The day of reckoning isn't far, for the Chinese Communist Party surely will collapse. Protagonists will pay for all their crimes against humanity, while supporters will bury theirs heads in shame.

http://lachutedumur.wordpress.com

Fangzhou, Verdun,