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The last time the Olympic torch found its way to the sleepy ski resort of Nagano, its inhabitants remember a charming international jamboree where people swapped lapel badges with complete strangers.
Today, as the troubled flame makes its journey through Nagano en route to Beijing, the city is a very different place from a decade ago: ultra-nationalists cruise the streets blaring messages of hate from giant loudspeakers and an unprecedented army of secret police is under orders to question all foreigners.
The Japanese Government knows that the Nagano leg of the relay is a tinderbox quite unlike the other cities through which the torch has passed.
Relations between Beijing and Tokyo are somewhat warmer than in the recent past but there is still a rich vein of straightforward anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan that has nothing at all to do with Tibet or human rights.
“Communist China dishonours the city of Nagano! Smash down the Beijing Olympics!” screamed a rightwinger from behind the darkened windows of a menacing “sound truck” daubed with nationalist insignia.
In an unlikely marriage of ideologies, the pro-Tibet cause has been espoused vigorously by the ultra-nationalist right wingers of Japan. As they marched through the streets - some in pseudo-military uniforms - the incoherence of the two political views was obvious.
“China is not qualified to hold a festival of peace because it is a country that murdered Tibetans,” shouted one orator. “We must establish a true national army to protect against China,” bellowed another.
To the authorities, the arrival in Nagano of the right wing from around the country poses a problem - especially since 2,000 Chinese students in Japan are expected to be bussed in to cheer the flame as it passes by.
For domestic political reasons the Japan's Government refused publicly to let the paramilitary-trained Chinese “flame attendants” run with the torch as they had elsewhere in the world. Behind the scenes, says the foreign ministry, a deal has been struck that will allow two of the blue-tracksuited Chinese to run with the torch while Japan guarantees overall security.
To avoid embarrassment Japan has taken its side of the bargain so seriously that local residents say that they have, in effect, been subjected to “Chinese-style” policing. Pro-Tibet demonstrators complained bitterly that their rights to demonstrate had been suppressed by nervous Japanese police.
Motoki Noike, from the Nagano chapter of Students for a Free Tibet, said: “The message of the games should not just be for China to strengthen security to make them successful but to solve the problems that are causing the protests in the first place.” Beyond what Japan's foreign ministry admitted was an “extreme” security cordon, there are other contrasts with ten years ago.
When the Winter Olympics were held in Nagano in 1998, they were opened by the ringing of the bell of the iconic Zenkoji temple; today's torch relay begins from a soulless car park next to a Japan Self Defence Force recruitment centre. Corporate sponsorship is all but invisible along the streets, the atmosphere has been killed by the 3,000 police officers and even the city's proudest residents describe the scene as downmarket.
The problem arises from the sudden refusal by the Buddhist priests of the Zenkoji temple to let the relay start there - a reaction, they said, to the “unforgivable violence” that took place in Tibet last month. The priests plan to hold a memorial service for those who died in the violence at the same time as the relay begins.
“The symbolism of starting the torch relay from the temple was because it was where the Nagano Olympics began. There is now simply no meaning to having the relay in this city,” said Seiko Hagiwara, who runs a noodle restaurant at the temple gates.
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Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants said:
"But China still desires vengeance."
I disagree with this assumption. Although China was the victim of Japanese aggression and humiliation, it has taken positive steps to enhance Sino-Japanese relations. Japan needs to improve on its image to gain acceptance
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Mike, SF
Japanese leaders continue to worship enshrined war criminals and blatantly deny/cover up/downplay/twist history of its atrocities in Japanese textbooks. What if the Germans honored Nazi generals after their apology? Words need to be backed up by consistent actions. Learn the facts Mike.
Jay, Toronto,
Li, Glasgow, UK
Personally appreciate blunt comments on Japanese.I understand those who were hit would never forget, but please remember at the same time it still hurts such a young man like Daisuke who is not responsible for it. I believe the majority of Japanese will never allow RW to dominate.
Hideo, kawasaki, Japan
Hideo in Japan.
What does Neural Darwinism look like when he's standing at a bus stop? Never heard of the fella.
Boris, Belgravia, London
What's more now they are trying to distort the historical record in their national history textbook.
I appreciate there are many Japanese who truely regret what they did in WWII and I respect the their hard work .
But as long as the Right Wing are still active in the government, gap will remain.
Li, Glasgow, UK
To all
We need a little different perspective about history and economic activity for coexistence. To overcome Neural Darwinism and Market Fundamentalism would be the keys. We can get nowhere but ultimate catastrophe without chllenging these. I believe we can manage.
Hideo, kawasaki, Japan
Li,
Japan has made numerous formal apologies to China as well as paid substantial financial retributions to the Chinese government. I find it very interesting that a good number of Chinese, both national and overseas, continue to not acknowledge or know this.
Mike, San Francisco, USA
To Colin Witt
Chinese are angry with Japan's WWII crime not only because tens of millions died, in particular Nanjing Massacre when <300,000 were mundered(check WIkipedia!), but because their government's attitude. They've not formally apologised to Chinese people, and now are trying to cover up.
Li, Glasgow, UK
Lim Malaysia,
You are clearly an incurable nationalist obsessed with your pet subject. There are far more interesting things in life to occupy your imagination. Try getting out, meeting girls, go for a swim, write a funny novel. Have fun instead of all this over serious stuff. I'ts boring.
Boris, London, UK
@Lim in JB
It's irrelevant what the West wants or does not want regarding China and Japan. It is an Asian issue and one that is deeply unresolved. Westerners helped to protect citizens in Nanjing in 1937 and the US brought Japan to its knees in 1945. But China still desires vengeance.
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
The West desperately wants to c a weaken China. It wld love to c a clash between China n India or Japan. Its motive wld have been achieved if there was a clash. I think Asians r smarter now. Disputes must be resolved by peaceful negotiations.
Asia will unite
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
daisuke, Saitama, Japan
Mr.Daisuke, your grandpa went to war. Do you know why and why Japan invaded China and how cruel your soldiers were at the time? How abt travelling to Korea, China and South East Asia and find out first hand? U may want to hate your country for the misdeeds it had done.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
takashi, Tokyo, Japan
Mr.Takashi, China will allow foreign visitors to Tibet soon n u must make a trip to Tibet to find out first hand.
If there was a crackdown it was absolutely necessary because of the violent nature of the Tibetan rioters.
V r all humans but lawlessness must be checked
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
@Lim, JB, Malaysia
'I'm of the opinion that a day will come when Japan & China will hold hands in friendship. Asia will be united and the West will not meddle in Asian affairs.'
Sure, after they have thrashed things out first. The west is not meddling in that particular antagonism! It's Asian.
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
During admiral Cheng Ho's time, China was powerful but it was also peaceloving. Ad Cheng Ho circumvented the world. He saw and he traded in peace.
Today's China is the same. It wants to progress in peace and harmony. It is not a threat to anyone. Why can't the west leave it alone.
Peace4all
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Attacking the Olympic torch is attacking civilization and mankind, peace and friendship. People must understand that Olympic Games is a creation of the west and has been accepted by people all over the world as an event to show love for peace and goodwill.
Joan, New York,
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
I'm of the opinion that a day will come when Japan & China will hold hands in friendship. Asia will be united and the West will not meddle in Asian affairs. UN will play a greater role in world affairs. That is my vision of the world in the future.
Peace to all
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Lim, JB, Malaysia
Whatever the West thinks of China-Japan relations, my discussions on the topic with young Chinese men in China (rather than the elderly, strangely enough) indicate that China wants revenge for the Japanese occupation. That is a China-Japan issue and it could flare up any time.
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
Kai, Wellington, New Zealand?
V need to get this straight. During the Mar 14 unrest, Tibetans actually killed Han Chinese. The Tibetans were so unruly and agressive that police had to shoot in self defence & restore peace.
Who instigated this in the 1st place? Dalai Lama & West!.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Colin, Carmarthen, UK
Unless you have a 2 edge sword, this is the 1st time I seen you comment without reference to CCP. The west cannot hold China to ransom using the Olympics. I'm convinced China will prevail despite all these planned protests b4 & even during the games.
Olympics for world.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Japan need not fear a rising China. Most Asian countries do not see China as a threat. In fact China has contributed to peace and stability in the region. China wants development & progress. China's rise may be a challenge to many but it is peaceful not hostile.
Peace to the whole world.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
The West certainly like to see a clash between the Asian Giants i.e. India and China. They also like to see hostility between Japan and China. This is "reflected" in this article and an earlier Times article.
A weaken and divided China is what they really want
Asia must unite for peace.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
I know Japanese are guilty. But I cannot allow a Chinese government.
Certainly my grandpa went to the War. I asked it when he was in China. I remenber he was talking about lifestyle of Chinese. He did not join to genocide... So I believe him.
Sorry for my poor English.
daisuke, Saitama, Japan
As a normal Japanese student concerned about the crack down in Tibet, I wish those rightists had stayed away from this. There were quite a number of Japanese people of my age who truly feel sympathy for Tibetans in that place.
takashi, Tokyo, Japan
@Raymond, the norf , UK
'Can we assume also that many pro Tibetan views in the West are also fuelled more by nationalism and not actually to do with any sympathy towards Tibetans.'
Interesting idea, but I don't think so. The protestors in London didn't look like xenophobic BNP types.
Colin Witt, Petersfield, Hants
There is a terrible legacy of ghastly behaviour by Japan towards China during World War Two. Perhaps the Olympics if respectfully observed could be a means of reconciliation and healing between the two. The Olympics is about sportsmanship and the Athenian spirit of democracy not a political football
Colin, Carmarthen, UK
Appreciate the concerns other countries have about China's emission. But let's not forget during the past 2/3 decades, labour intensive and emisssion producing industries are moved to China, benefiting the world with cheaper products. The benefits should be shared with China to harness environment.
Zhongmin Luo, London, UK
Interesting article. Can we assume also that many pro Tibetan views in the West are also fuelled more by nationalism and not actually to do with any sympathy towards Tibetans.
Raymond, the norf , UK
hideo, kawasaki, Japan
Sorry can't get u. Japan as a good friend of the West should ask them to stop meddling in China's affair. The world will be a better place then.
<br/>Meanwhile, agree that we should enjoy a great Beijing Olympics
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Im Yo, Beijing, China
The tiny islands straddled in the south China sea have many claimants. The countries concerned have agreed to resolve the claims by peaceful negotiations.
If there are any missiles aim at Taiwan, need you worry?. You are neither Chinese nor Taiwanese.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
To Im Yo,Beijing,China:
You said that 1,200,000 Tibetans was killed by China in 1951,But according to Dalai lama's goverment in 1950, The total population in Tibet in 1950 is 950,000. Where was the other 250,000 people from ?
Jim, Cambridge,
Although some of comments here sound as if Japanese should shut up, I would like to say a few things.
A: Han Chinese, you must realize more than you do that you are the wisest people in human history. I am not flattering at all, otherwise, you would not have more than 1.2 billion people. B: The world needs your wisdom and leadership to combat with the most serious problem we have, global warming. This is a real challenge to house and feed growing population up to 9 billion in 20 or 30 years. C: With not much time left for it, any of geopolitical conflicts is just waste of time and money. Han Chinese, you should be the first to announce, because of the wisest, largest and most influential for others to follow, to freeze all conflicts you are involved for the next 40 to 50 years, until when we will come to know what our planet is like. If we are lucky enough to survive, you can continue after this short break if you want to. A 50 years freeze is equivalent to only less than 6 hour freeze out of 1000 hours because you started from Yellow River to move down to the rest of Asia 8,700 years ago, according to the recent Y chromosome analysis. D: This is a call not only for Han Chinese but for all people and their political leaders in the wold.
Please make a decision right now and let us enjoy the wonderful Olympic game you will stage.
hideo, kawasaki, Japan
We Chinese people love the world.Thank those who really understand.My foreign friends said that a lot of people don't like China because they don't know what it is really,if you come,your mindset might change.The Olympic Games is a sporting event for the human race,not just for us.We LOVE YOU.
Boyang Xue, Beijing, China
1949 China invaded and occupied Uighur.
1950 China entered Korean War.
1951 China invaded Tibet. 1,200,000 Tibetans was killed by China.
1959 China disputed and the border disputed with India.
1969 China invaded the Soviet Union (Danmansky island).
1979 China fought against Vietnam as "Punishment".
Im Yo, Beijing, China
1992 China insisted on owning Spratly Islands & Paracel Islands without permission.
1995 China occupied Mischief Reef that the Philippines had historically owned.
1996 China launched the missile in Taiwan Straits. China threatened Taiwan.
1997 China insists on the owning right to the Scarboro atoll
Im Yo, Beijing, China
Ask the veterans what they thought of and think of the Japanese and their Emperor. Japanese brutality to women and children knew no bounds. One example is the way the Japanese bayonetted patients as they lay in their bunks in the hospitals in Singapore. Today they murder British girl tourists.
Francis, Halifax, UK
Was in Nagano yesterday lunch time by the train station, doing my ace junior reporter, "Hold the front page, Ed", thing.
"Free Tibet", with every packet of instant noodles.
Your job's politics, mine's running a saloon. I stick my neck out for nobody. But then Rick did join the good guys in the end.
Andrew Milner, Karuizawa, Japan
Alija, Calgary,
You just need ask the common Americans. Without Chinese goods their livestyle will be different. I am sure it applies to the other common people of the West too. Alija why try your best to avoid. Just do not buy. You can't can you? Change is always a hard thing to do.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
Japanese had committed the most brutal human right violation in history. Raped,tortured and slaughtered thousands of Asian civilians during the second world War. Until to-day, they still have not accepted their brutal criminal act. The Japanese protestors should buried their heads under the sand.
Yik Choo, Perth, Australia
Does anyone care about Japan anymore? Chi no yo, yachi yo ni...Mou o-shimai da ze....
Let's move on.
paul smith, london, uk
See how funny Japanese are! American have a big military base in Okinawa after World War II, and the Japanese young girls were insulted and even raped by US marine. The ironic thing is that Japanese government actually covers all the cost of American troops. So let the world shout "Free Japan!"
Lily, Melbourne,
Of all nations in the whole world, Japan is the least I would expect to criticize China for killing Tibetans. Look at the history, and compare the magnitude of the genocide that Japanese Imperial Troops have committed against the Chinese and the whole of Asia before you dare comments about others!
Lee, california,
You said China not deserve the right to such a peaceful fetive because it violates the human right. Do u think Japan deserve it? How many people were killed by Japanese? You dare not confess the truth until now.
Shame on you, Japanese.
HHNaing, Yangon,
ok, you are welcome not to use any chinese products. But the others are not blind. There is always a reason that so many people buy chinese products. If you do not buy, I do not think that will affect the others shopping behavior that much. Because that is just your own opinion!!
Sunny, copenhagen,
China does not just produce all your toys and food. China produces all your coach bags and Ipods. China does not just need your money. china is paying you by buying US government bonds and US planes.
kuan, greenbelt, md
To Alija
You and others like you can boycott China's products until you/they are buried 6 feet under... THE WORLD DO NEED CHINA more than China need the world.
S K Lin, Hong Kong,
I find it utterly ridiculous for japanese nationals to accuse China for human right abuses. What are they protesting? Do they not remember the millions of chinese civilians brutally murdered in WW2 by Imperialistic Japanese aggression? Perhaps that history lesson is left out of their textbooks...
Mike, Chicago, USA
Japan need to learn some PR tricks from the Europeans, blantently exposing your anti-China agenda do more harm than good, learn from the Europeans, Japan need to do a better job at pretending to care about Tibet or human rights.
Its Japan, this is to be expected, no big deal.
iewgnem, toronto, canada
It is not really fair to say that China is can not hold a peace festival because they killed Tibetans, how about say USA can not hold a peace festival because they killed Iraqis? and How many people did Japanese killed during WWII? Why don't they leave politics out of Olympics?
Kai, Wellington, New Zealand?
To Lim:
The world does not need China in the least. I, for one, try my best to boycott all Chinese products. The rest of the world does not need China's poisonous food and deadly children's toys. China is destroying itself through pollution and carelessly stripping the earth of natural resources
Alija, Calgary,
The world is now a small place. China needs the world but the world also needs China. China's progress is benefitting the world and the situation in near future will be such that when this giant sneezes, the world may catch a cold. Thus western action now may backfire. So plse drop the nonsense
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.
The Winter Olympics in 1998 in Nagano should not be compared with the coming Beijing Olympics. With Japan a west leaning nation nothing happened. Many people were not savy with internet. Nothing really grand and no lasting memories.
The West sponsored disruption this year is not China's doing.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia.