Stephen Jones
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HERE is one way of looking at it. England have gained a 23-19 away win in the RBS Six Nations Championship, and even though Italy seem likely to finish on or near the bottom, then no win is to be sniffed at and winning is everything in international rugby.
And here is another way of looking at it. England were dreadful, and for almost all the second half, they were nothing better than a rabble. Italy do what they do particularly well, but never forget that England were up against a team with no kicking game whatsoever. If Italy did have a kicking game and if the Italian line-out had not been a full-scale disaster area, then England would have lost and lost by a good margin.
Jonny Wilkinson reached 1,000 points in international rugby in this match and yet only those who prattle on about meaningless statistics would give it a second thought. He did deflect a small amount of the criticism deflected at him with a chip-and-chase into open territory in the first half, and then created the first England try with a clever pass to Paul Sackey, who was making a brilliant supporting run. Wilkinson then retreated into the mess which had enveloped the rest of his team.
The most frightening aspect was the disjointed play of the England forwards. England were criticised for being one dimensional at the World Cup but it seems now that even that dimension has disappeared. They simply do not know whether they are supposed to be driving at the heart of the opposition to clean them out or whether they are supposed to be playing some kind of hybrid game. What happened in Rome was that they made sporadic attempts to drive, switched to a rather flimsy attacking game and then back again. And naturally, all this is with reference to England in the first half, because in the second half, they played absolutely no type of game at all.
It was lucky for them that Steve Borthwick, made captain on the morning of the match after Phil Vickery withdrew with a stomach upset, was so good at disrupting the Italian line-out. His long, almost telescopic arm, saved England from utter humiliation.
Frankly, it is difficult to work out where England go from here. Players like Iain Balshaw, Toby Flood and Lesley Vainikolo are simply not of true international class and James Haskell and Tim Payne apart, the forwards were only of club standard as well. We expected Nick Easter and others to take the ball and steam through the Italian ranks but all we saw was a gentle plod. Sergio Parisse, Italy's brilliant captain, was light years ahead when it came to passion and the ability to carry the ball with real power.
England play France in Paris in two weeks and I am afraid that only a total reversion can save them. Ireland showed in Paris yesterday that France, for all their new talents, can be fingered well and truly up front. England must pick their biggest and nastiest pack, they must take on France in the trenches and they must end for now all the babbling about expanding their game. At present, they have neither the quality of possession or the quality of backs to expand it more than about two inches wide of the forwards.
England never looked liked scoring more tries and their second came out of the blue when David Bortolussi took an age and a half to deliver a clearing kick when under no pressure and England eventually worked Flood over. After that, they were dominated for territory and possession, as they came menacingly to within four points when Simon Pichone charged down Danny Cipriani and scored at the posts. Italy won a prime attacking position in the closing stages but yet another line-out disaster allowed England to clear and hold out.
Italy will be anxious to bring Marco Bortolami back into the team after injury and they must, here and now, end the doomed experiment of playing Andrea Masi at fly-half. Marcato, who arrived late as replacement, delivered a couple of nice kicks and behind a pack such at Italy's and with strong running centres, Italy are better off fielding an inexperienced fly-half who can hoof the ball.
England will be desperate for their injured players to return as well because they are desperately short of class. Yet it is not so much the personnel, as the wicked lack of focus, coherence and purpose which is dragging them down.
In Rome today, the longer the game wore on, the more damage England did to the aura and ethos of their national rugby jersey.
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Post World Cup rugby is usually of substandard fare. 1996 excepted, when most embraced the professional era. The low standard is usually due to changes in management/coaching styles and the loss of key experience in the playing ranks.
However, it seems with England and Ireland, retaining the management/coaching team may have some cause and impact on the games so far in the 6N. While France and Wales seem to have discovered some long lost vigour and excitement in their games. It is doubtful if Gatland and co have had much of a chance to really change anything, only time will tell.
Perhaps a clean slate, starting from the top is really needed with Ireland and England? The same may be said of NZ? We may only discover the truth of that, when the Robbie Deans coached Wallabies lift the trophy in Auckland in 2011.
(I'm putting money on that!)
Ant, Auckland, New Zealand
It was a mistake to continue with Ashton after the RWC. Everyone seemed to have known this at the time but couldn't detach themselves from the halo effect of a RWC final appearance (Ashton wasn't instrumental in plotting a course to the final,we all know that).
He lacks any real vision on how England should play and what vision he does have he can't seem to implement.
Get rid of him now, whip out the cheque book and go look for another coach even if it means looking outside the country.
Shane, London,
You do have to wonder what the coaching staff say at half time - go out there and play crap lads!?! Balshaw is not of international standard, Flood I think is and can grow in that role, he is not as good as Greenwood but you can see similar styles in their play. What about having Vainikolo at 13 and get the big lad running onto ball and may be breaking the game line for once? The back row needs sorting out, Haskell as good as he is gives away a lot of very stupid penalities and we need these guys to step-up a few levels. I thought Wrigglesworth did a good job when he came on, Gommersal has looked a bit slow in the last couple of games and bereft of ideas. Basically its all a bit depressing I used to love watching England now I'm getting less and less enthused about it all.
God help us because the management team won't!
James, Leeds, UK
We have some amazing backs Stephen but it would be helpful if we selected them (Geraghty, Varndell, Simpson-Daniel). Forwards are the problem, ruin everything. The backs never see the ball in time. Beer-belly Vickery and Regan are embarrasing when you consider the young atheletes we could select.
Geraghty awesome at Saxons, and last year against the French. Remember poor Betsen when he streaked by him? Just stood there! No buckling under pressure from him (Mr Cipriani?). One of the best players in the world at the moment. There's some serious "political" problems with the selecting, and it's not just Ashton. Shame.
Ade, Menton, France
Given that rugby is generally watched by more knowledgeable fans than football, perhaps an 'analysis' piece should focus on what was actually going right / wrong...any thoughts on the following?
the England pack is poor defensively in the ruck, leading to the need to commit more players. doing so leaves 10, 12 and 13 to defend the immediate running channel - Italy had at least 4 breaks running a reverse angle into the 10-12 gap in the second half.
if we were committing one less player to a ruck, we could employ an extra flanker in this channel helping to shore things up a little defensively. further, doing so, may reduce the obsession of having a 'tackling' outside centre (although Noon had a good game IMO) and a tackling fly half.
Also, why wasn't Vainikolo used as a ball carrier more?
Keith, London, England
I still think that English rugby missed a golden opportunity after the 2003 world cup. One would have thought that thousands of young lads woudl have embraced the sport and we should by now have an army of almost ready recruits waiting to come through. is there any sign of that?
The current crop is not good enough and the current management is the same. It's time to bring in a level of coaching from abroad that has not been evident in England before. Wales and Italy have done it un our game, and the England football team have done it, so why can't England rugby?
The faults that were masked by the world cup win in 2003 are now showing through. We won then by playing ten man rugby and we got to the world cup final last year by similar means. It's time for a root and branch reform of the game, and then perhaps, instead of being effective very four years we will produce good rugby players and teams, capable of entertaining the public.
David, Wolverhampton,
The team was picked from mid-table, off form, currently second rate premiership teams. Why would anyone expect anything but a poor performance?
Does Ashton actually watch any premiership games?
chris, Cambridge, Cambs
I thought all that mattered was World Cups these days Mr Jones??
Patrick Sawyer, Wellington, New Zealand
Geraghty is the best no 10 in England, and Simpson-Daniel the best winger. Where are they???
England are still struggling to make up for the post 2003 shambles. They failed to develop many new players in that timeframe, and are now reluctant to make up for that lost time. They looked a pathetic rabble in the 2nd half against Wales, and again against Italy. Their subs give a fresh impetus to the shambles rather than give the team a new direction.
David, Kettering,
From the fragility of a New Zealand standpoint, we can at least say this - England will never be accused of being the Best Team inbetween World Cups! Would you like a decent coach? I'm sure we've got another one around here somewhere.
Warwick Delmonte, Auckland, New Zealand
In fact Flood stands out as a player very capable of performing at international level, however it is clear Balshaw is out of his depth. Wilkinson proved today that he still is the best of English fly halfs. I think more needs to be said of Wilkinson's moment of excellence and Cipriani's moment of madness Stephen!
Oggy, London,
The problem with the England pack is that we don't have a truely world class back row. You need to look at 6, 7 and 8. The rest can take care of themselves. I don't see a Back or Hill on the horizon anytime soon, so we are going to have to put up with this rubbish for a good few years more.
Robinson, Cambridge, UK
England have reached the point where they are not even worth commenting on. 5th this year, and lucky at that.
Paul, Nottingham, UK
Get over it Adrian, what's done is done!
I cant wait for you poms to come over here and play u.
Daniel , Wellington , New Zealand
That's harsh on Flood, otherwise I have to agree.
Chris Phipps, Worthing,
i called it but italy nearly did it .
repeat the two AA s have to go,and use centres that are used to winning.
wake up the long suffering english supporters and demand change
john haydon rowe, javea,
I'm afraid England has dropped to depths not seen for a long time. I don't know why, they have the skills and abilities individually. Today they won what was in fact Italy's victory. It is highly unuaual for the Man of the Match to be a member of the losing team. I think that the players should get rid of the self hype and so called "psychology" and just get on with the game. The pressure from the press and the fans seem to cause the players to consider what will be said about them off the pitch every time they get the ball rather than allowing them to concentrate and get on with the game. Criticism is a killer these days and comes from armchair experts. "Show me the man that never made a mistake, I'll show you the man that never made anything." You only learn from mistakes. Like them or not, we need good English performances to raise the northern hemisphere game. When we don't, the game truly suffers.
Peter Wright, West Kilbride,
Fear not Stephen, regardless of Englands form,nous, application or abilities, as long as Wayne Barnes is around, you stand a real good chance of sucess. Still, if he gets it wrong, I await your magnanamous dissertation.
Adrian Firmin, Wanganui, New Zealand
It is becoming more and more apparent that the coaching of this England team is sub-standard. As Guscott has been saying, there seems to be a problem between Wells and Ashton and this is filtering down to the team, get rid of Wells and give Ashton his head. Although Jonny did the biz in the first half, he should have been given the day off today so that Cipriani could have got the vital experience of starting a game, and then performance depending, try him in Paris in the next game. But there remain major problems with this England pack and i fear that they will not be remedied until the coaching malaise is addressed.
Nick , scarborough,