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This is the final Rolling Maul of the season and it is therefore appropriate to thank most warmly everyone who subscribed, who read the e-mail online and who responded and took part in the various debates. For those who didn’t agree with me - well, try to do better next season. Thanks so much.
Also, thanks to all those who dialled my mobile number from the Millennium Stadium last Saturday and held up their phones so that I did not have to miss all of the Bruce Springsteen concert.
Genius of Cipriani can follow path of Woods and Pietersen
In the jet-lagged sleepless hours, New Zealand TV can be a refuge. Last week, between old episodes of Baywatch and cookery programmes of interest to serial poisoners, they showed staggering sport.
We saw the once-in-a-lifetime Tiger Woods winning the US Open with an amazing display of brilliance and courage (we found out afterwards that he had a broken leg) and also Kevin Pietersen tearing up the coaching manual with sublime, brilliant improvisation. Good on the sport’s authorities for not being so po-faced as to rule his shots illegal. Both men displayed genius upon genius.
Rugby can seem dull by comparison with these staggering deeds. There is, of course, no shame in the ultimate team sport if the strength is in the collective not the individual. But which rugby players threaten to transcend the sport itself, as have Woods and Pietersen, by taking it to another level, by making unique or brilliant personal plays or touches or innovations?
My colleagues threw in some names, such as Gareth Edwards and Dan Carter. I disagreed. I feel that the brilliance of both laid in their extraordinary performance of orthodox skills. David Campese? Yes. He took it to his own personal, even lonely, level.
Is Danny Cipriani next? It’s an intolerable burden to ask a young man to emulate Woods and Pietersen, but he has a shot at it. He has an unorthodox, cheeky, elevated capability. We’ll wait and wonder.
World Cup will be a show without a stage
It has all been said before about the process by which the 2011 World Cup was awarded to New Zealand: the behind-the-scenes deals, the potential overloading of the country’s fragile infrastructure by the incoming thousands and the rather colourless outward appearance and demeanour of rugby here and its grounds.
A little of the concern dissipated last week when one of the chief organisers accepted the very key to New Zealand 2011 – that it will be judged not by the depth of the nation’s ridiculous obsession with the All Blacks, nor by whether the hosts win it or not, but by the warmth of welcome given to outsiders and visitors and the sympathy and support for ALL competing countries.
There is one remaining problem, however, and it will not be solved: the stadiums.
We have only been to Eden Park, Auckland and Lancaster Park, Christchurch on this England trip. The first is a mid-sized and decent ground, the latter is a building site. There is simply no arena here remotely equipped to give the tournament - especially the major matches - the imposing backdrop it deserves, craves and that it had in Australia 03, Wales 99 and South Africa 95, and will have again in 2015 in England. (And please don’t tell me that England should not get the event).
Why on earth were there not enough Kiwis with the energy and foresight to demand - yes demand - that a giant, soaring signature stadium was built in Auckland for the 2011 tournament, for the aspirations of the nation and for the backdrop for the world? The lack of that kind of vision, that statement of intent, will haunt New Zealand up until 2011 and well beyond.
What do you think? E-mail Stephen at rollingmaul@thetimes.co.uk with your opinion and he'll reply next season.
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>>>>>LIST OF THE WEEK<<<<<
The 10 greatest rugby writers. Is your favourite in the list?
2. Norman Mair, The Scotsman - Brilliantly incisive in a grand old essayist tradition. Funny, knowing, compelling and a glorious read on golf as well as rugby. Still cruelly missed at his station.
3. Donald Cameron, New Zealand Herald and various others - Kindly old Don was so quietly deadly with the velvet-encased dagger that many people never realised that they had been filleted, and his Barbed Wire Boks is one of the great rugby books.
4. John Reason, The Telegraph - In his heyday, John was vastly influential and aggravating with a wonderful writing style and clarity of expression (even if was often an expression of distaste).
5. Clem Thomas, The Observer - Rumbustious never covered it for this foursquare, delightful, forceful, occasionally intemperate giant, sadly missed on the hacks’ scene. To sit by him in the press box was to have sore ribs for a month.
6. Peter Jackson, Daily Mail - Noted by the world game as, if not a stylist of magical touch, then as one of the great sports reporters of his generation - except for the splash that Eric Rush was joining Ireland.
7. Steve Bale, Daily Express and various others - The demands of the Neath Guardian, Western Mail, Independent and Daily Express have not dimmed Steve’s enthusiasm one jot, for the game and its characters.
8. Tony Scott, Rugby Magazine, USA - The only man ever to have begun a rugby article with the following intro: “Hot Damn!” Scott is in for that alone.
9. David Norrie, Rugby World and News of the World - The recently-retired tufted Polecat had a unique vantage point (usually from Langan’s Brasserie) on global sport.
10. Paul Ackford, Sunday Telegraph - Ackers must take credit, it’s not easy hacking it out for so long with so few readers.
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>>>>>HERO OF THE WEEK<<<<<
David Moffett, former chief executive of New Zealand RU, Welsh RU, Sport England, Rugby League (add your own governing body here, he will have led it at one stage).
Moffett and I agree that we don’t see eye to eye. He carved up Wales into chunks. I told him on Friday that I hold him responsible. He asked me what about two Grand Slams then. Alright, clever dick.
He’s the hero this week because he has broken ranks. He is in favour of a few of the ELVs but he savages many of the others. He savages the IRB for their meddling, their procedure, their arrogance.
He has his own column in New Zealand and it is typically fierce and influential and therefore not popular at the moribund New Zealand Rugby Union. This is just a flavour of Moffett on the modern game and the ELVs:
“Despite all these variations one thing remains quite clear to me … we are no longer watching rugby union … instead, we have a mishmash of sports intruding into our game.”
“Because of weak leadership, the game has reached a crisis point where it is now mandatory to keep tinkering with the laws.”
“The breakdown is still a shambles as players know they will not give up points for anything other than offside and foul play.”
Not only is Moffett devastating on the threatened new game, he has also demolished the political correctness in New Zealand which prevents people speaking their mind. And finally, he has not fallen for the trick that Australia is trying to pull on New Zealand: “New Zealand rugby is standing on the precipice with the ruthless John O’Neill (ARU chief executive) ready to kick us into the void.” Mr Moffett, I agree. Just this once.
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The Stephen Jones Debate
The majority of New Zealanders still think that Graham Henry is a great coach despite the last World Cup result. Evidence of this is the reception that he and the team received when they came back to New Zealand at the end of the tournament. A Stewart, Wellington, New Zealand
SJ: Yes, I still think he is a great coach too, especially when bossing the whole show and not allowing too many voices to intrude and too much re-invention of the wheel.
You're dead right about Graham Henry. The New Zealand rugby set-up has always struck me as a bit bizarre. I was taught at school that New Zealand, on a geographical basis, was composed of North and South Islands. On a rugby basis, it seems to take in virtually everywhere in the South Seas (particularly when the average height is 6'4" and over). Referees throughout the world appear to take the view that the All Blacks’ dirty play is both forgivable and to be encouraged. The butchery inflicted by NZ players in the Barbarian side the other week at Twickenham proves this. And another thing, what is that “Haka” rubbish all about? It’s nothing but intimidation. If they want to dance, why not do it in the changing rooms? I don't think a team of South Sea Island monsters would be too impressed if Martin Johnson got the lads to do a Morris Dance in front of them! Andy Lavin
SJ: Andy, this is nothing less than a slur on the fraternity of Morris Dancers.
I continue to be embarrassed by the way this country blames Wayne Barnes for the All Blacks’ loss. It is the sourest of sour grapes. The French played brilliantly, the ABs naively (going for a try when a drop goal would have been enough to get our noses in front). Matt, Wellington, NZ
SJ: It was amazing that New Zealand’s set-up - and their maths - failed to produce a conclusion that three points was enough.
If all and sundry were talking about Charlie Hodgson's career at an England level being over following an abject defensive performance against a strong-running All Blacks attack last weekend, how long will it be before the same criticism is levelled against Danny Cipriani, who isn't the strongest defender in the world? I seem to remember that Australia carried Stephen Larkham throughout his international career by hiding him from the opposition runners every time they lost the ball. Should England plan to do something similar with a game-winning talent who might be a little less capable of stopping a barnstorming back row forward? And if this is the case, why shouldn't this work for Charlie? Kevin Broadbent, a Wasps fan
SJ: Kevin, I feel for Charlie too, as he is an outstanding player. However, I think that Danny can defend and the fact that sometimes they line him up at outside centre is just to give him some time and take him out of the firing line. Come to think of it, I am surprised that more teams don’t protect someone who may well be the smallest player in the team by taking him away from the area where the heaviest tackles are made.
The 2001 tour was destroyed by the bruised egos of certain British players who were used to being pampered. They didn't make it into their respective World Cup squads if I remember correctly. Ian, London
SJ: No argument from me, and most of the egos were English egos as I recall.
I was fortunate to see, as a boy of 19, the 1959 Lions at Carisbrook and they should have won that match. Instead, they lost to "The Boot", aka Don Clarke. The Lions had a magic backline and the greatest of them was the English winger Peter Jackson. Where is his like now? Wiremu, Wellington, New Zealand
SJ: That must have felt horrible for the Lions, as they played all the rugby. I never saw Peter Jackson but by all accounts he was an absolute wizard and I can’t think of a player of his sort in the game at present.
How on earth can England field a decent team against the Barbarians during May when, through exhaustion and injury, so many players are unavailable? Likewise, how can the Barbarians field a quality side when most of the players invited are either still playing in their leagues or are due home in order to receive the England tour? They should end the stupid play-offs with the rightful top-of-the-league finishers being crowned champions. I would, though, hate to see the demise of the Barbarians. I'd buy and wear one of their team shirts if it didn't have an enormous logo of some insurance company on the front. Hugh Hubble, Evian-les-Bains
SJ: I think that the debacle that was the England-Barbarians match this season will concentrate the minds. It may be a festival game, but ticket prices for it are serious and it is yet another big match added to an almost endless season.
Your comment about timing, cost and venue for the northern and southern meeting of champions is well made. As an alternative, an annual match between the winners of the English and French championships would be most interesting. To follow the example of the round ball game it could become The Charity Shield of Rugby, with suitable rugby charities nominated to benefit from the takings, at the season end. Roger Baileff
SJ: Good point Roger. There are any number of tasty matches that could take place, though we are now at the stage where to add another major occasion would have to lead to the loss of an existing match. The season is full.
Do you know of any professional team (club or international) who week after week only have the backs (minus the scrum halves) and four or five forwards on the pitch for a warm up before any game? If so, do those sides have a record of winning? That is the way that Biarritz warm up and it seems to be the reason why they suffer a lot of niggling injuries and a deficit of team spirit. As for NZ against England, the All Blacks were fallible but clinical and have the makings of a very good team. However, Nigel Owens was terrible and biased in favour of New Zealand. Two yellow cards against England should easily have been matched against the All Blacks but he bottled it. Owens should not have officiated at the Heineken Cup final and he should have done better here. Tony Thompson, Biarritz
SJ: I have noticed that Biarritz run what appears to be a bizarre warm-up with only half the squad out there. You sometimes wonder if their forwards turn up late.
What can you predict with certainty of a Test match these days? That a forward will leave the field with blood dripping from an horrendous eye injury? Just look at a clearly irate Nathan Sharpe against Ireland, a visibly shaken Andy Sheridan against New Zealand or Ali Williams in the World Cup. Why has nobody mentioned these strangely recurring injuries? What do you think causes them? Will it take a player going blind before anybody bothers to care that this type of savagery is commonplace in the modern game? Alex King
SJ: To be fair, Alex, the England squad have been saying all week that Sheridan’s eye injury was an accident, possibly caused by a clash with his own team-mate.
It seems that Australia have already forgotten their woeful World Cup exit. The “Rugby Heaven” website in its usual cock-eyed manner reported an excellent victory for Australia over Ireland with Australia now playing in a structure-free environment. Obviously the piece forgot to mention the fact that Ireland enjoyed 63 per cent of territory and scrummed the Wallabies off the park. If the passive Ireland scrum managed to inflict such damage then I worry for the health of Robinson, Dunning, and Baxter when the All Blacks get hold of them. If Australia do not find a scrum then they will never win another tournament. On a different matter, the key for England now is not to make a knee-jerk reaction and pick solid, sturdy Premiership players. Winning is clearly the goal but Michael Lynagh and David Kirk, two of rugby's ultimate achievers, always stated that performance must be the end goal, that conservative play at Test level will not elicit achievement. England must not field a player like Noon ever again. Whilst he is an honest, committed professional, he is symptomatic of what is holding England back. There must be room for a Tindall and Tait/Waldouck partnership. England must not become biased about the size of a player – they should pick natural talent and not be guided by pragmatism. They have stuttered for too long but now they have real talent developing in the midfield which is key to how they compete on the future world stage. Ben Saunders, Beckenham
SJ: The trouble is, Ben, that the smaller players with less power tend be exposed – note Charlie Hodgson against Ma’a Nonu. I am not saying it is a good thing, and in many ways it is disturbing, but the game is going away from the clever runners and flair players.
Your anti-ELV sentiments are clearly misinformed and borderline hilarious. Whilst some of the new rules are stupid, they have turned the game into a better contest. I hated the ELVs. I was born in Pretoria, the bastion of tight five play and if I can be converted then I have very bad news for you - most Englishmen will also be converted quite quickly. The forward contest is now more important than ever. I live in Australia and, yes, they have a prop crisis and forward play is not considered important by many people. However, the real rugby fans are acutely aware of their shortcomings. You have to get ready to embrace the ELVs, they are not going anywhere. Isn’t it amazing how one nation can change a game completely? Whatever happened to the English influence in our wonderful game? How could you allow this to happen? Riaan de Jager
SJ: The game rejected all bar two of the 11 most nonsensical ELVs and so those two are being trialled next season, together with the piffling changes which make no difference to anything. But the good news is that the game rejected most of them and will continue to do so. Enjoy the barmy experiments while you can.
Your top five most fraudulent reasons to love rugby shows just how out of touch you are with what the average fan thinks. Chris, Cambs, UK
SJ: Yes, as fans go, you sound average all right.
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Shaw, Kearney magnificent the rest not far behind. If we had the starting 15 on for most of game we would have won. Let's face it we were beaten up. As for Burger he should have been sent off despite it being so early in the game. A distressed Bobby B
Bob Bellew, Catsash Nr Newport, Wales
Didn't Steven Sir Clive do the same with England 2003, bossing them around? And, he threw £60 million at the players to win it!
If only this football nation could do the same!
Tim Marshall, London, England
Paul Sydney
"Families in secret locations" That's the best laugh I've had for ages. Its all a big conspiracy. Speaking of which how about the English building hospitals all along the English side of the Welsh border so that prospective talented Welsh kids end up being born in England. Yeah right!
Gareth Williams, Powys,
The reason why New Zealand cannot afford new stadiums is that the NZRU has spent all its money on importing 6 & 7 year olds from the Islands. The cost of housing these kids and their families in secret locations across NZ has cost upwards of NZ$5m.
Paul Dowl, Sydney, Australia
Joe
I assume you are joking otherwise what a ridiculous rant
There are almost as many people of Island descent living in NZ as there are in the Islands themselves. Most are born in NZ and they are Kiwis and its an insult to say they are not
Almost half the Samoan WC squad were born in NZ
Gareth Williams, Powys,
Joe, Ricki Flutey is a Maori. Where was Henry Paul from? Which villages do the ABs get their Island players from to train up? I know Wellington has only 400,000 but it is not a village and Jerry Collins, Rodney etc grew up here. As for Baywatch on TV: Stephen, what channel? I'd love to see it again
Jack, Wellington, New Zealand
At the end of the day: New Zealand would prefer to play superior rugby on average local fields, then poor NH style rugby in flash stadiums.
Rod, Auckland, NZ
I agree re the stadiums.We had the chance to get a decent stadium in Auckland(GOvt funded)and the negatives won.
The same in Dunedin.A covered stadium has at present the go ahead but the protests continue.
Despite this you will get a warm welcome in 2011.We do respect and enjoy the company of fans
ewen, dunedin,
Cipriani, may, may be an outstanding talent. left to Wasps he could become unstoppable, but now with so many Coaches involved, Kicking, defence, attack at Club and International level.. Individual skill could be coached out of him... by people unable to coach talent.
David E, Burnham-on-sea,
thats true nz taking islanders and making them play for nz. they should be called the all islanders.
they go scouting and get them from villages then train them up and make them AB's
we all know there's no islanders living in nz.
we only did it once with vianocolo, but flutey's white so thats ok.
joe, london,
Sadly the premature hyping of promising english sportsman is all too often followed by public disappointment and daggers from the press.
Cipriani has barely played for England and is already being talked of as an all time great - ridiculous.
Cautious optimism and patience seem wiser path to follow
DaveMc, Nice, France
Have we forgotten about Jonah Lomu? The world's first true "rugby superstar". He could do what no one else could - and has not done since.
Benjamin, CHRISTCHRUCH, New Zealand
To compare them to Tiger...oh dear.
Tiger is set to earn $1 billion in his career.
The only people you can compare to Tiger are
Ali
Pele
Don Bradman
Wayne Gretsky
Michal Jordan
Players who were well clear of the best in their field, not those scratching around near the front of the pack.
Darryl, Sydney, Australia
john biddle the ELV's will accellerate the trend because its more like rugby league and look at all of those players.
gareth rees, kettering, england
To A Meach
Calling NZ professionals was an old excuse England used years ago when they lost to NZ. Since the professional age NZ still easily beats England despite England having far more money so now certain hacks blame forward passes,the ref, McCaw and Islanders even if they were born in NZ.
Gareth Williams, Powys,
Carter still has a long International career to go. I disagree with you SJ but I do believe Cipriani has huge potential. He is a lot more unorthadox compared to his ENGLISH predecessors. If he played S14, he'd be more at home in terms of the style of game, that would compliment his skill set.
Benjamin, CHRISTCHRUCH, New Zealand
To compare the commercial potential of Caipriani (and Pietersen) to Toger Woods? Codswallop. If you mean, they may make some decent cash. Agreed. But they and most other sports people are worlds apart in ability for starters.
Grant C, Dubai, UAE
A Meach, That is incorrect. They were made up of mainly famers, students, policeman, builders, teachers, a doctor, accountants, a butcher and a couple of sales reps. I might have missed a few.
ABrevival, Auckland, NZ
The 10 greatest rugby writers ... ?
JBG - simply the best !
don, London, UK
And then there's "I am not saying it is a good thing, and in many ways it is disturbing, but the game is going away from the clever runners and flair players". Ever occur to you that ELV's might reverse that trend and bring some of the piano players back into the top level game?
John Biddle, Brisbane, Australia
Again SJ does not know what he is talking about.
Why would the majority of the New Zealand people demand a big stadium be built in Auckland for The Rugby World Cup, when that is not what they wanted?
Micha, Palmerston North, New Zealand
21 years ago the All Blacks won the world cup. Someone has told me that they where a professional side in an amateur era. Is this true?
A Meach, Fareham , Hants
NZ has 4 m with a per capita GDP 60% of that in UK. Thust such massive capital projects are beyond the means of either the RFU or the Auckland City Council. The building of a major stadium in central Ack was considered too expensive. See London Olympic project on how to waste money on such.
Tony Penman, Clavaring Essex,