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England hierarchy sorely out of touch
For sheer, total and utter misconception about the media and the views of England rugby supporters, the utterances this week of the England hierarchy take the biscuit. Bear in mind now that we are in the fifth year of the England management asking for patience, claiming that the revival of the England team from the grisly and apparently bottomless pit into which it has sunk is a work in progress.
This was Rob Andrew on Tuesday. "They [England followers] understand what the team is going through, where the team is in the Test cycle and what Martin Johnson has been handed in terms of trying to rebuild..." His overall contention is that it will be a "long job".
In every one of those assertions, Andrew is wrong. As Conrad Smith said last weekend: "The All Blacks don't do development plans" and this endless English chase for tomorrow is wearing, on the point of scandalous, self-serving and dangerous.
How many times does it have to be said? The future is here. England are playing rubbish rugby. Time is passing, matches are slipping by. When is the exact date when the team gets real and we can expect it to start winning any games that matter?
It may be a comment on media-driven conceptions and lack of endless patience, but it is life, it is real and it has to be dealt with. While England are in this ruinous cycle of not fronting up to each and every game, while they are still harping about the future, all their coaches and hierarchy are a step closer to the chop with every defeat. Sad maybe, but true. If they play as abysmally in the Six Nations as they have these past four weeks, the pressure on Andrew and the coaching group will become intolerable. Out they go, in come another lot, bleating as did the previous two regimes about what a bad hand they have been dealt and why patience would be a virtue.
If England fans have a clue what is going on, then I haven't met any. The usual bleat comes out about England being a young side with few caps. Fine, for goodness sake, pick a team with more caps and more nous then. The bleat comes out about the Guinness Premiership, and that it should be better at producing players. Andrew had the cheek to point to the RFU academy system and said that the Premiership clubs should take up the baton now that the academy has produced James Haskell and Danny Cipriani.
Rubbish. The pair have been brought through a hard school by Wasps, by Ian McGeechan and Shaun Edwards. The system run by the RFU produces gym monkeys. If only some of the academy "products" to whom I have spoken felt able to tell Andrew exactly what they thought of the English "system", he would very quickly become disabused.
The autumn was no-one's fault but England's and the England hierarchy - their selection and their coaching. With the time that the squad have spent in camp, we had a right to expect even a bunch of 21-year-olds winning their first caps to have more shape and focus than England did.
There is no future, Rob. Only the game against Italy. Why not look inwards for the problems and find a system and some players to win that game. Bigger, older, craftier, better ones. Then, England supporters might have the first clue what on earth is being done in the name of England rugby, because at present amongst all the excuses, no-one can work it out for the life of them.
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I would love to see a tri-nations team do a 6 Nations tour - imagine the best players from Aus, NZ and RSA in one team with a couple of weeks prep time.
Then we would see some good games - maybe offer it in the year after a lions series.
Lee, Christchurch,
Stephen: Johnson is sticking with his choice of captain. One of the most glaring errors during England's recent autumn international fiasco was the complete lack of any kind of inspired leadership on the field. Borthwick wouldn't even make the team on player ability. God help us next year!
B I Jones, Beijing, china
Stephen, the only way England will ever be able to become a force in international rugby CONSISTANTLY over many years is by getting rid of its reliance on overseas players in its domestic competition! Same in cricket and in football
Scott, Sydney,
Rod
The ELVs played in the South are different to those played in the North The English players had plenty of time to get used to them with their club rugby It was the south who had to adapt. Also when England toured NZ the old rules applied so NZ had to adapt. So no excuse re the ELVs
Gareth Williams, Powys,
Wales I think is the only NH team competitive with SH teams at the breakdown. The result was three close games with SH teams and 1 win. Wales is the only home nation team aiming to lift their game plan, technique, and intensity above that of club rugby - they are a shoe in for the 6 nations.
George Kuru, Jakarta, Indonesia
It is now clear that martin Johnson has absolutely no credentials as an international rugby coach and that brian Ashton should never have got the sack. There are too many English forwards who are past their sell-by date as well. It is not looking good for England who will have very few British Lions in the summer at the current rate of progress
Keith Price, Luton, UK
Pablo, the Lions have literally weeks to prepare - home sides have had years together - in Rugby more than any other sport the kind of mental connection you have with your team-mates is probably more important than individual talent. Look at Ospreys/Wales for evidence!
Edward Smith, Ely, UK
Stephen Jones wrote this year
S.A have only to turn up to win the 3N's
Super14 & 3N are rubbish while the G.P is proper rugby
Hardly any of the AB's would make the GP
The Aussie forwards and scrum are useless
and so on
WRONG WRONG WRONG. If he were a politician he would have to resign
Gareth Williams, Powys,
Jones's obsession with the Lions is over the top. The best from England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland versus the best of a single, much smaller nation, yet it is heresy to criticise these matches. When can a combined Trinations & Pacific nations team have a crack at England?
Pablo, Edinburgh, UK
The ABs have been settled since year 0; we need to get to same state of constant evolution, gradually bringing in one or two players, continually winning, rather than 'revolution and hope'. Martin Johnson has to be given time to get to that state which we will then keep ad-infinitum (hopefully!)
Jon, Sandwich, England
Why has nobody mentioned that the Southern Hemisphere teams have had several months to get used to the new ELVs?
England have only had 4 games under the new rules.
It took the premiership teams 6 or 7 games to get used to the new laws.
Rod, Oadby, UK
It's all very well Stephen Jones saying "the future is now"....but who would he pick for England that wasn't playing on Saturday? The fact is that our best players were out there, bar one or 2 arguable selections. There is nobody else. Talking of gym monkeys, I am not convinced by Tom Rees at No 7.
JPM, Boston, MA
Stop whining and count your blessings - the English football team has been a work in progress since 1966
duddles, Sydney, Oz
Sadly the choice should have been Jake White with MJ working in the coaching team. JW worked with SARFU and anybody who can do that would manage England - no trouble.
John, Melbourne , Oz
JH and DC brought through a hard school (?) at Wasps by IMcG and SE and producing (according to SJ) our finest fly half, ho ho, and our finest fouler (sorry, back row) ho ho; god help us. Tis you that should get off your horse and get a grip on reality SJ my boy; journo-arrogance! Hands makes sense!
countryboy, bournemouth, uk
Rob Andrew was always the politically correct choice, but the absolute wrong choice for winning rugby. He managed to make mediocrity into an art form at Newcastle and had a playing reputation of being a safe right boot. So how can we expect anything more than underachievement at a national level?
Miles, Georgetown,
Eng 2003, 20 points better than Aus 1999? That's rubbish. England would have struggled to score a try (against possibly the best defence ever), the forwards would have had a mighty battle and man for man the 99 Wallaby backs were simply a different class. Silly comment SJ. Andrew, Canberra
Andrew, Canberra, Australia
As long as you are preoccupied by the haka you'll never beat us. You are using it as a cover for a woefully inadequate team. We don't care what you think of the haka. It's ours and whats more we have a winning team. (Don't go on about the RWC. That's another red herring.
Bill Brocklebank, Cambridge, New Zealand
The best rugby book I have read records all of the AB' s losses. It is also the shortest......it only has three pages:)(Tongue firmly in kiwi cheek)
Actually, the greatest rugby book of all time was the book "Endless Winter" circa. 1993, written by none other than SJ. Fair play boyo!!
John, Aspen, USA
You ask a lot of questions, SJ? How about this one: when are they going to ask Sir Clive Woodward to come back as top man?
He would be so much more effective than Rob Andrew. In fact, my 91-year old gran would be more effective than Rob Andrew and she can't even spell "rugby".
Nobby Clark, Perth, the Scottish one,