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I was on Ryanair's flight FR8326 from Valencia to London Stansted on June 9th. Moving off, the pilot reversed the plane into the terminal airbridge, resulting in damage to the plane's wing, preventing it from flying. Ryanair disembarked the passengers leaving them stranded in the closed down terminal building. After a wait of almost three hours, the company’s representatives finally announced that they could offer passengers the price of their tickets back, or attempt to place them on flights out over the following week. They refused to make any arrangements for overnight accommodation, or provide any food or refreshments.
All facilities in the terminal building were closed down for the evening. They also refused to reschedule the flight. The very limited availability of seats on subsequent flights out of Valencia to London meant that only four seats were available the following day to a plane load of some 150 or so passengers. The earliest availability by the time the tenth passenger got to the head of the queue at the booking office window was Tuesday night! And there was still some 140 passengers to reschedule. Passengers were simply told that they would have to arrange and pay for the subsequent days of additional accommodation while they waited to be flown back, hopefully some time this week. Ryanair also offered to place passengers on available seats on its flights going to any other city, from where they could book return journeys to the UK, but at their own cost, even on Ryanair flights.
On the question of compensation, Ryanair’s representatives were attempting to offer passengers back the price of their return tickets, only explaining when directly asked that this would exempt the company from any subsequent claims for the reimbursement of additional costs incurred by passengers: many passengers had booked the flight for the promotional cost of a pound, or in some cases even a penny, and this was precisely what they were being offered as a refund.
The company's representative also handed out compensation policy statements, and a fax number in order to subsequently attempt to reclaim the cost of overstaying or presumably making alternative travel arrangements, however the policy statement defines the cancellation as being due to an unforeseen incident and therefore not subject to compensation claims, casting considerable doubt on the chances of getting any monies back from Ryanair particularly given their proven track record in this respect. Keith Grant, by email
A response from a Ryanair spokesperson: All passengers were provided with a choice of full refund (including taxes and charges) or transfer to the next available flight.
Passengers who chose the next available flight were provided with seats the following day, either directly to London or via alternative airports. All passengers were also provided with EU 261 forms and were invited to submit their reasonable receipted expenses for review.
Lastly, it is the airport marshals at the airport who direct the aircraft when it is pushing back from stand.
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If you choose to fly with a budget airline, you choose to accept a lower level of service and should have a correspondingly low level of expectations should things go wrong.
If, like me, you would prefer to deal with real people who actually want to help you get where you are going and not fob you off with as little compensation as possible, then try a decent airline.
Thomas Ralph, Dublin 4, Ireland
It is all a question of whether you believe in the rule of law.
EU 261/2004 could well provide Mr Grant and fellow delayed passengers of thecancelled flight with monetary compensation together with the right to overnight hotel and meals. The recent European Court Advocate General opinion on the application of the "Extraordinary Circumstances" defence-as found within www.flightmole.com makes very interesting reading. Ryanair as a company are very ready to use the rule of law and the courts to their best advantage ( and their shareholders continuing advantage). Air Passengers have rights as laid down in law. It is up to passengers to be as savvy as Ryanair to achieve their best interests.
The Ground Handlers are agents of the airline. It would be interesting to discover if Ryanair themselves recovered by legal process the cost of repair of their aircraft from these ground handling agents. I suspect they did and at the same time may be repudiating claims from passengers.
Hugh, London, UK
If the government sorted out the trains /motorways so people could get easily to the continent from places in the UK other than london then you wouldn't have a crisis in the south east for housing & airports. They've created the M25 & have 8 or 9 motorways feeding into it & wonder why it's congested, all the rail links are terminus's into london, they've had 20 plus years knowing that the tunnel was being built & still they haven't even finished "thames link" , even then the loading gauge is too light for continental trains. Their excuse is there's no demand for the eurostar in provincial cities! How do they know when it isn't an option nor will be in the foreseeable future. The government would be better off not wasting money painting the roads & shooting Iraqis & invest in a long term revamp of the whole transport structure
peter D, cardiff,
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Gordon Prosser, Woking, England
A friend would like to travel 1000 miles west on the Route 66 from Chicago by Harley Davison. Is there any US companies that hire these bikes for the above.
CJField, Darlington,
When is something going to be done about the long queues at LHR and LGW security. I accept that security is necessary but waits of upto 1 hours (on a Monday night at 8:00pm when there were no special causes) show how bad BAA are managing the situation. Also why are BAA terminals always such a mess, lacking in space and only full of shops, shops and more shops. Go to most other European airports and there is open space, plenty of room in which to work.
Graham Morris, Christchurch, England
I booked flights from Newcastle to Orlando via Gatwick last October for our family of 4 at a cost of £777pp. Earlier this year BA cancelled the Newcastle Gatwick flight so we were booked on the Heathrow flight and needed to travel to Gatwick. I have just been advised that the flight time has been brought forward 1 hour which gives us 2 hours 55 mins to get from Heathrow to Gatwick - 5 mins less than the required 3 hours to ensure BA would guarantee your flight connections. This would require us the stay overnight in London. BA are offering no compensation for all this additional hassle and cost - advising us if we are not happy we can cancel and get a refund- try explaining that option to an excited 12 and 7 year old!
Mrs T Sibbald, Sunderland, Tyne & Wear
Anyone who travels Ryanair should know what level of customer service to expect - none.
I Blackburn, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
You talk about the superior services offered by the likes of BA but that is simply not the case; my parents were offloaded from a BA larnaca-heathrow flight last friday simply because my mother, who had a stroke over 6 years ago, displayed unusual limb movements and the medically unqualified BA staff decided that they didn't want to take the risk of carrying her-had they bothered to investigate they would have realised that these movements were as a result of her stroke, that she has lived with them for some years and that there was no risk to their flight; instead, two (my father, her carer is over 80) elderly, vulnerable confused and frighted passengers were offloaded and forced to remain in cyprus for another week - there were earlier flights but BA wanted to charge my parents in excess of £300 to switch to an earlier flight, even though it was still in economy but was a "different class of economy".
Cristina Marangos, London, United Kingdom
"You pays your money, you takes your choice". I am sure that Mr Grant would have had more joy had he booked a Business Class flight with BA or Iberia.
Ryanair and other budget airlines are exactly what they say they are. Low Cost - No Frills.
Words like "cake" and "eat it" spring to mind.
Greg, Istanbul,
If people would stop travelling on airlines that treat their customers like cattle, then, perhaps, the airlines would realize that they cannot continue their cavalier attitude toward the travelling public. I, for one, travel by train, whenever possible, in Europe. It is comfortable, reliable, and no airport security hassles.
Robert J. Brass, Caldwell, NJ - United States
I agree with Headley and Lyons and I would suggest all Ryanair users read the terms and conditions in their very efficient web-site to understand all the risks! I am a Londoner and have lived and worked in Genoa for more than ten years, I used to have to save up to buy the ticket home from the "other airline", now I can travel by Ryanair at a significantly lower cost and more times in a year than before and luckily apart from minor delays I have not yet encountered severe problems. By the way the other airline flights were always delayed at least 40 minutes from Genoa and coming back from Gatwick! Ryanair, please put more flights to and from Genoa again! Genoa-Corsica as well perhaps!?
Remy, Genoa, Italy
Surely, under EU rules, Ryanair are responsible for providing accomodation, meals and refreshment for the stranded passengers, until they can provide them with the flight. I bet it wouldn't take a week to find another plane if Ryanair had complied with the law.
Dave, Basingstoke, UK
If you want first class service then travel first class - and pay for it. Have we all forgotten the bad old days when it cost £400 to fly anywhere in Europe. We get the cheap fares because operating margins are cut to the limit. You wouldn't book a cheap B&B then complain that the rooms and service were not as good as the Hilton, so why do you treat air travel this way?
Headley, London, UK
Why do people moan and expect full service when they have probably only paid a penny plus tax for their flight?
We have travelled a couple of times and you get wht you pay for. When will people realise that Ryanair has made air travel affordable by running it like a bus service. If your National Express coah had a prang in York meaning you couldn't travel to Brighton you wouldn't dream of "making a claim"
Top tip - get decent travel insurance, grab a cab out of the airport and enjoy an extra day away.
William Lyons, Liverpool,
After reading the letter and ryanair's response and doing a little research i actually fully back ryanair in this situtation. The aircraft does not have a reverse, it has to be pushed back by the airport groundstaff's tugs, so in this automatically shows it is not ryanair's fault, but in fact Valencia airport. I believe that the airport should have organised accomodation, etc etc for all the stranded passengers. I think ryanair were very decent in the way they offered the next available flights free of charge,even though this situation was not their fault. Well done RYANAIR!!!!!
Nick Pottinger, Southend, UK
I have bought my last Ryanair ticket. I believe that Ryanair is unethical in that they do not have their clients best interest at heart. Ryanair uses rules to PREVENT clients from flying so they will buy new tickets. I'm sure they do optimization and can tell you the relation between gate changes at Stansted and missed flights. Beware of Ryanair where rules are followed in the hopes that they will cause you to miss your flight.
Ian Schindler, St Antoine de Breuilh, France
There is no reverse gear on an aircraft. All movement and steering is controlled by the tug driver, in the vehicle pushing you back. It was the ground handler who dinked the craft not the pilot.
If you were going forward and the engines were running that would be a diffent thing.
Neil, Essex, UK